What is the most chip resistant blade steel?

Fair to say that carbon steels in general will be less prone to chipping than stainless, but IMO there are too many other factors. Purpose and use of the knife needs to be known to select the right steel that will minimize chipping, balanced against edge rolling or impaction, with a particular heat treat and hardness.
 
Really appreciate all the info you guys have given. I have learned a lot from some of the most knowedgable people here.

I just discovered there are some excellent small fixed blade custom knives made from 5160 steel.

Although I was more interested in a folder, I like what can be done with automotive leaf spring steel in a fixed blade!

Anyone here chipped 5160? Thanks.
 
So far I have not chipped any of my 5160 knives. I really like 5160, but good goes with bad. It does not hold an edge as long as some of the "wonder" steels, although in practical use I have not noticed the difference. It also readily rusts, so you have to care for it. Rust can be a bigger problem than just blade discoloration and pitting. Rust along the edge will dull a knife while it is just sitting there. You have to keep it clean, dry and covered in some kind of preservative. There are many products out there though that work great.
 
Cobalt said:
Also, I don't think S-5 is made any longer so you would have to settle for S-7.
I think you're right. I've not been able to find it. S5 that is. I'm real happy with the performance of S7 so I'll just stay with that.
Scott
 
digdeep said:
Thanks for that info Blop. Was the 1.2550 custom made to your specs?

Yes it was. But that type of steel and the familiar 1.2552 with some more carbon in it, gets a little wave over here so you don´t always have to ask a bladesmith for a blade from this stuff. But still it will be custom made.
 
Cobalt said:
No one mentioned L6.

If you are looking specifically for toughness, bainite in that class of steels is much tougher than martensite.

Also, I don't think S-5 is made any longer so you would have to settle for S-7.

Timken still lists it and has data sheets on it.

Razorback - Knives said:
The higher the rc is the more prone to chipping.

Steels have a complex relationship between hardness and toughness, both in terms of ductility and ability to resist impact. There are several embrittlement zones through the temper range due to carbide and impurity segregation along grain boundries which makes steels more brittle, not less, as they are tempered softer. Most steels have a performance peak very close to their maximum hardness.

As a steel is softened it is also made weaker and even if it becomes more ductile and able to resist impact, it will now yeild sooner and the ultimate tensile point will be lower so the edge will tear off at a much lower force. Thus underhardening a steel to get toughness is usually a poor idea. This was well discussed on Swordforums including relevant stress/strain graphs by Lee Cordochorea :

http://forums.swordforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=55349

Also a very thin grind and edge.

Steels are more flexible when they are thinner because the strain under a given stress is proportional to the thickness of the steel. Kevin Cashen has discussed this in detail on swordforums, it is why very thin edges will easily pass brass rod type tests and very thin blades will flex to extreme angles without taking a set and go much further before breaking.

As you reduce cross section absolute strength and durability of course decrease, however failure will start to become more brittle in nature. For example while it is easier to bend a ATS-34 blade 1/8" thick, it will bend to a much larger angle than one 1/4" thick which will crack at a low angle. Edges behave along the same principles, thinner edges tend to deform while thicker ones tend to chip when overstressed.

Overthickening an edge to get durability however is just as bad as underhardening it, now you give up cutting ability and ease of sharpening (and for stainless often corrosion resistance). Choose a more suitable steel, Bryson notes this in his book on steel selection as do most books on tool steels.

-Cliff
 
Cliff Stamp said:
Timken still lists it and has data sheets on it.

-Cliff

Yes, they still list it, but if you look for suppliers of it I have found none...:thumbdn:

I am pretty sure it is no longer available. If you say it is, then show me where.
 
Have you asked Crucible and Timken, both list it as available products. Then there are the various european steel mills which could make something very similar though under different naming systems.

-Cliff
 
RazorScott,

Diehl Steel sells S5. They offered me a huge piece for $28US ( 0.5" x 2" x 16"), but I'm so slow at making knives that it'll take forever for me to even want to buy it (will just dream for now).

HoB,

I've chipped SR-101. :( Was cutting roots and some pebbles snuggled the edge. Stupid pebbles.

All cutlery-applicable steels can and will chip. You just need the right experience.
 
If anyone has any examples of a blade chipped through regular use that they could post, I'd like to see what exactly is being discussed. Is it the tips, serrated areas, blade edge, or all of the above?
 
thombrogan said:
All cutlery-applicable steels can and will chip. You just need the right experience.

They all have an impact failure point and ductile limits, some are just much higher than others. What is interesting is that if you take the angles quite low then you can see yield\ultimate point and carbide\grain failures even on cutting soft materials like cardboard. My small Sebenza easily chips out on cardboard for example unless I run a heavy secondary edge bevel because I cut the primary right back onto the hollow. Thus if I compare it to O1 (63.5), 1095 (66 HRC) and M2 (65 HRC) all at the same profile, they have much higher chip resistance because their yield points are *way* higher and they are much finger grained and carbided, however the M2 blade for example is hardened at a minimal for impact toughness and ductility so most would note it has low chip resistance however for that type of cutting in that profile it is very high.

-Cliff
 
Thom do you have a link for Diehl? I emailed Crucible about S5 and L6. Both are tough to find in barstock. Admiral has L6 but not much selection.
Scott
 
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