what is this china knife a clone of?

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It's a clone, it's not a clone, irrelevant.

It's still something pretending to be something it isn't, made where it isn't.

This might be a new trend, whatever works I guess.

Not sure why we even bother giving this kind of garbage free advertising on here?

Maybe we should send one to Begg Knives, if the quality is good he can have them make the next "Steelcraft" knife...
 
Learn something new... I did not know Seki was considered a brand name, in the industry, thanks cray.

So, the OP mentions the site as one of the reasons it is possibly a counterfeit.... is this site known to traffick in such items? I have never heard of this site.
 
JR88FAN said:
Not sure why we even bother giving this kind of garbage free advertising on here?
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I'm not sure why the OP linked to the site either. It is what I haven't gotten from the beginning of the thread. If you think its a clone/counterfeit being sold on a clone/counterfeit site...which is what the OP said....why link to that site?
 
marcinek said:
I'm not sure why the OP linked to the site either. It is what I haven't gotten from the beginning of the thread. If you think its a clone/counterfeit being sold on a clone/counterfeit site...which is what the OP said....why link to that site?
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That's part of where my confusion lies. Is this site known for this, is that why all the suspicion? Have we confirmed it is saying it is made in Seki but not actually made in Seki City? Or is this just another brand making another model that, ironically, as someone pointed out, would be entirely legit (a non-issue I guess?) if it had brass scales?
 
marcinek said:
I'm not sure why the OP linked to the site either. It is what I haven't gotten from the beginning of the thread. If you think its a clone/counterfeit being sold on a clone/counterfeit site...which is what the OP said....why link to that site?
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Maybe he's looking for approval, or maybe he wants to kick the bee hive?

A quick search would clearly indicate where a thread like this will go.....

"What's wrong with this" is fairly clear.
 
RedLynx said:
That's part of where my confusion lies. Is this site known for this, is that why all the suspicion? Have we confirmed it is saying it is made in Seki but not actually made in Seki City? Or is this just another brand making another model that, ironically, as someone pointed out, would be entirely legit (a non-issue I guess?) if it had brass scales?
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If the OP tells us the price of that knife, it will clarify your questions....
 
RedLynx said:
That's part of where my confusion lies. Is this site known for this, is that why all the suspicion? Have we confirmed it is saying it is made in Seki but not actually made in Seki City? Or is this just another brand making another model that, ironically, as someone pointed out, would be entirely legit (a non-issue I guess?) if it had brass scales?
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Got me. To me, it is entirely legit crap, unless it says Seki and was not made in Seki. Then it becomes deceptive crap.

The OP seems to know that it was not made in Seki, and that the site is known for that. And he may very well be right.

I dunno...I think we may have lost the core concept of the thread long ago....I don't think I ever had it.
 
marcinek said:
Oh I clicked. Its a cheap piece of crap.
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The design does look interesting even though I don't think a high end version would get much pocket time from me. Nice that some companies are making good versions of this, apparently.
 
What ever it is, the design is interesting looking.

Id prefer to buy from a reputable maker ...and from a reputable site.

Speaking of which; you cant link to 'that place' according to the rules, so delete link and substitute with pic and description.
 
RedLynx said:
The design does look interesting even though I don't think a high end version would get much pocket time from me. Nice that some companies are making good versions of this, apparently.
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Yeah. There are quite a few "modern higonokamis" apparently. There is that AG Russell Hikari for example...D2, G10 linerlock for about 145, ... I also see some damscus/carbon fiber ones made by Toun Ihara for 275-300.

Maybe that was the point of this thread...to come up with that stuff.

Kinda cool.
 
wow. some real anti-clone emotion around here.

sorry to offend, just wanted to give all the info available so the question could be answered, if possible.

it appears no one recognizes more than the style of the knife, which is rare, as I am used to being able to uncover the original. also strange is that it currently appears to be single sourced in china.

finding the original typically gives a clue to the further features/close up views of the knife.
 
ertzog said:
it appears no one recognizes more than the style of the knife, which is rare, as I am used to being able to uncover the original. also strange is that it currently appears to be single sourced in china.

finding the original typically gives a clue to the further features/close up views of the knife.
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There is no "original." That is what everyone has been saying. Its a cheap "modern higo." That's it.
 
the higonokami comment was very helpful, thank you.

this is very close:

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a japan knives direct high end seller.
 
Hikari knives are designed by Kenji Ihara, a known Japanese knifemaker. They are factory produced in Japan. They are called "higonokami fuu" in Japan, meaning "higonokami style". Because despite their deliberate resemblance to the traditional Higonokami knives, they are liner locks, and not friction folders. Hikari knives tend to use a proprietary steel labeled Chromo7 and Chromo8. On the blade, the writing will be either To-Un (騰雲）or Hikari (光). No Hikari knives have Seki (関) on them. AG Russell imports a model or two directly from Japan. The Hikari knives, along with Rockstead and Kiku are heavily counterfeited by China. Real Hikari knives sell for USD 120-300+ equivalent in Japan. The OPs photo is a counterfeit.
 
ertzog said:
wow. some real anti-clone emotion around here.

sorry to offend, just wanted to give all the info available so the question could be answered, if possible.

it appears no one recognizes more than the style of the knife, which is rare, as I am used to being able to uncover the original. also strange is that it currently appears to be single sourced in china.

finding the original typically gives a clue to the further features/close up views of the knife.
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Did you expect anything less on a "knife forum/website" ??

It's the bowls of this hobby, and a lot of us don't like how it smells.....
 
knives as art or status symbols never grabbed me - design and materials is what interests me.

once a knife is so expensive you are afraid to use it, no thanks.

thanks, to the folks that advised the design origin. figured someone would recognize it.
 
ertzog said:
knives as art or status symbols never grabbed me - design and materials is what interests me.

once a knife is so expensive you are afraid to use it, no thanks.

thanks, to the folks that advised the design origin. figured someone would recognize it.
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How does that apply here? Not sure what you are getting at. :confused:
 
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