What is with Cold Steel?

[Retread]

He calmly pointed out that A) Dueling is illegal,B) He was 75 and WALKED WITH A CANE, and C) If Thompson didn`t leave him alone he was going to shoot him where he stood.

I love it.

 

[hardheart]

I'd agree that, for the average guy (pun intended), Cold Steel might just "rock" compared to Spyderco. But for "those who know".......Well, I think averageguy might have been correct in his assessment. Compared to Spyderco's cutting implements, I imagine Cold Steel's do function more akin to "rocks."

3G

obviously the Cold Steel brand AUS8 blade with zytel handle made in Japan is vastly inferior to the AUS8 blade zytel handled Spydercos that were made in Japan.

Seki City is all bipolar like that.

 

[avidknifeusersf]

Thats a crazy link 3guardsmen. All this time I've been wasting money on other production knives. I wish someone had told me about that Cold Steel. Although I didnt see what the warrenty was on that bad boy.

As for me, I dont like the way most of them look, and their crazy selection of products reminds of a ginzu knife commercial... But I'm sure they're great value for the money!

 

[3Guardsmen]

All I know is Cold Steel rocks compared to Spyderco.

I'd agree that, for the average guy (pun intended), Cold Steel might just "rock" compared to Spyderco. But for "those who know".......Well, I think averageguy might have been correct in his assessment. Compared to Spyderco's cutting implements, I imagine Cold Steel's do function more akin to "rocks."

3G

obviously the Cold Steel brand AUS8 blade with zytel handle made in Japan is vastly inferior to the AUS8 blade zytel handled Spydercos that were made in Japan.

Seki City is all bipolar like that.

Nice straw man, but the poster was not nearly that specific with his claim.

Now, I have a feeling that what averageguy really meant to say was that Cold Steel would be more likely than Spyderco to sell rocks, especially considering their fondness for grivory, polypropylene, sarongs, hair brushes, war clubs, and marking pens.

3G

 

[batosai117]

Personally I wouldn't mind buying a recon-1 or a voyager from cold steel. I've seen them personally and have heard a lot about them. As for the other stuff, I can't say much other than hearsay. I do know that personally I'm not too happy to hear that cold steel uses a batch of steel until it runs out and then quickly changes to another batch of some other kind of steel and calls it an upgrade. Correct me if I'm wrong, again that is just what I've viewed on these forums. I still want to buy a voyager (the 4" version with the half serrated blade) for a beat up knife, looks nice and sturdy.

 

[sdt11670]

are you suggesting the gi tanto and the sharkie are not intentional copies?

of course there is a limit to the creativity in the field, and many designs are similar in more ways than one. lock types, blade shapes, etc.

the difference, i believe, is that cs marketed the gi tanto (for example) by using disparaging remarks about mick strider. and it is not a stretch to suggest that cs had the gi tanto made for the specific purpose of offering a nearly identical knife for about 5% of the cost of the strider.

Of course the G.I. tanto is an affordable copy of the Strider but dont you realize that there were tons of copies before the G.I. hit the scene? And if you keep up with the knife world then you also know that LT is responsible for the huge popularity and success of the tanto point in the first place so i guess that means that strider and all the rest just followed his lead and are copycats. (yes i know the japanese perfected the tanto point ages ago)

 

[J85909266]

Cold Steel is a mixed bag as far as products go. Some of their knives are made in the same factory as certain Spydercos, and are very functional and well-made blades. However, much, much more of their product line is less than worthy of such praise. A lot of it is China-made junk, little better than Frost Cutlery garbage. Cold Steel isn't even really a company as much as it is a brand name to sell the many products of other knife manufacturing plants of varying quality.

You can get a very nice knife from Cold Steel that will perform admirably. That, however, is not always the case, as they are far from an actual brand.

I honestly don't care to elaborate as to why Spyderco is heads above what Cold Steel is as a manufacturer because if you don't already know, then you need to do some reading and shut up. There are some really, really stupid, ignorant posts in here, as well as a lot of people that need to do their research and hold their tongues.

If you look at knives as simple tools, then so be it. Get what performs and move on. Knives are a lot more than that to some of us.

 

[MORIMOTOM]

Of course the G.I. tanto is an affordable copy of the Strider but dont you realize that there were tons of copies before the G.I. hit the scene? And if you keep up with the knife world then you also know that LT is responsible for the huge popularity and success of the tanto point in the first place so i guess that means that strider and all the rest just followed his lead and are copycats. (yes i know the japanese perfected the tanto point ages ago)

yes, many copies available. but only one with the literature that accompanies the cs version.


and why does this argument always come up? point the finger at everyone else while saying "see, everyone else does it!"

never justify bad behavior because someone else is doing the same or worse.

 

[Kazeryu]

quick, let's have a thread about dark ops and why people don't like them while we're at it.

 

[Mitchell Knives]

All I know is Cold Steel rocks compared to Spyderco.

I really hope you are joking. The two companies are not even comparable.

 

[Whoever Wherever]

Of course the G.I. tanto is an affordable copy of the Strider but dont you realize that there were tons of copies before the G.I. hit the scene? And if you keep up with the knife world then you also know that LT is responsible for the huge popularity and success of the tanto point in the first place so i guess that means that strider and all the rest just followed his lead and are copycats. (yes i know the japanese perfected the tanto point ages ago)

The japanese never perfected the american tanto point since they never used anything like it until it was popularized here. If you look at a real tanto froma traditional japanese smith it looks nothing like the tip to wich you are reffering. Thats all I'm gona say because...

 

[Retread]

Personally I wouldn't mind buying a recon-1 or a voyager from cold steel. ... I still want to buy a voyager (the 4" version with the half serrated blade) for a beat up knife, looks nice and sturdy.

That's the exact piece of Cold S*** that I had the misfortune to own for a day.

I really like the comparison to that time honored classic, the Ginsu knife.

As with alot of others I have talked with, over the last few years, I've grown to dislike the tanto point. I use my knives as tools, and find I have better control with a more traditional point. My opinion might change though, if I get attacked by a car door.

 

[Preacher Man]

Originally Posted by MORIMOTOM:

and why does this argument always come up? point the finger at everyone else while saying "see, everyone else does it!"

never justify bad behavior because someone else is doing the same or worse.

I agree with you that the fact that others are doing it doesn't justify bad behavior. That been said, I personally see a different angle in sdt11670's comment. Of course CS is not justified in using somebody else's design withoput permision (as neither are any of the other companies that do it, and many if not most do in some form). sdt11670's comment makes me think that although many people know that design coping is a general problem in the industry, some choose not to say anything about it unless the company doing it is Cold Steel. IMO, when you apply that same attitude to people, that is called prejudice.

If people are going to beat in CS for copying a design (and they should first comfirm that the original designer is not been paid for his design), they should beat on all doing it. I don't think that many CS bashers would appreciate others pointing at their favorite companies and argue if their favorite knife could be a copy of some other design. I'm sure suddlently the "ther are only so many wayd de design a knife" argument will make more sense, as long as it isn't used on CS.

I won't hold my breath, though. Most people who love to hate CS do so for emotional reasons. Is just llike politics or sports; most people don't know the details, they just know they love this guy or team and hate this other one. With people like that logical arguments will go nowhere.

 

[Preacher Man]

Originally Posted by Retread:

As with alot of others I have talked with, over the last few years, I've grown to dislike the tanto point. I use my knives as tools, and find I have better control with a more traditional point. My opinion might change though, if I get attacked by a car door.

I don't have a use for an American Tanto point either, but my brother is in Law enforcement, and he wanted one. I got him a large CS Voyajer w/tanto point and he is very happy with it. To each its own I guess.

Personally I don't think that there is a lot of demand for the american tanto point outside of law enforcement, rescue operations and the military. They are quite popular with the mall ninjas though.

 

[sdt11670]

The japanese never perfected the american tanto point since they never used anything like it until it was popularized here. If you look at a real tanto froma traditional japanese smith it looks nothing like the tip to wich you are reffering. Thats all I'm gona say because...

some were very similar look at some museum blades... And yes they were not exactly like the american versions which LT designed... Yes thats right LT redesigned the tanto point into the strong point that everybody else copies in the first place. By the way like i said before i am a knife collector and so i have just about every brand i can think of and i do not buy into all the CS hype but i know they have good products because i have a lot of them but as many have stated alot of the ad hype is just hype.... for instant the trail master is advertised as having a point thicker and stronger than their competitors knives. well i miked mine and it has a thinner point than most of my other bowies but they are still very good knives for the money.

 

[Blue Sky]

I can almost understand why newcomers would be tempted to start these threads with such depressing regularity. What I don't understand is why the regulars still get caught up in them with such depressing regularity. It wouldn't go anywhere without you, don't you know?

 

[sdt11670]

yes, many copies available. but only one with the literature that accompanies the cs version.


and why does this argument always come up? point the finger at everyone else while saying "see, everyone else does it!"

never justify bad behavior because someone else is doing the same or worse.

Well i can't justify disagreeing with you on this one because yes you are right, the ad is totally uncalled for! In fact when i first read it i thought it to be low down and ridiculous to bash that harshly especially since the knife was made of good tough carbon steel at a give away price... It would have sold better without all that!

 

[sdt11670]

I can almost understand why newcomers would be tempted to start these threads with such depressing regularity. What I don't understand is why the regulars still get caught up in them with such depressing regularity. It wouldn't go anywhere without you, don't you know?

You are correct! I am done here.

 

[A. G. Russell]

some were very similar look at some museum blades... And yes they were not exactly like the american versions which LT designed... Yes thats right LT redesigned the tanto point into the strong point that everybody else copies in the first place. By the way like i said before i am a knife collector and so i have just about every brand i can think of and i do not buy into all the CS hype but i know they have good products because i have a lot of them but as many have stated alot of the ad hype is just hype.... for instant the trail master is advertised as having a point thicker and stronger than their competitors knives. well i miked mine and it has a thinner point than most of my other bowies but they are still very good knives for the money.

Bob Lum will be thrilled to know that LT "redesigned" the tanto point, instead of ripping off his original knife design

 

[Retread]

This what ya' mean?

http://www.engnath.com/public/tantdraw.htm

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BTT/is_172_28/ai_n6204166

Does Cold S*** advertise collaborations with noted knife makers, or advertise "in the style of _____," or just list them as new models?????

I don't do business with people who have tried to take advantage of me in the past. Cold S*** could make the world's best knives, and I wouldn't buy one. I acknowledge they make usable knives, and if they had done me right on the first one, I'd probably be on the other side of the fence. But I'm not a Walmart customer; customer service is important to me.

In the 70's, when Earth Shoes were the rage, I worked for a small chain shoe store. When the Earth Shoe company refused to license copies, my boss went to Korea with samples, and had a knock-off made. To get past the patents, he had minute changes to the angle of the heel made. He knew what he was doing, and I'm sure LT's lawyers do too.