What is with Cold Steel?

[DngrRuss1]

Let's see-
Started this thread on 11-18-05
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=373633

I ended my first post with "Be patient- I'll have more soon." More- that is what I said, and I believe I delivered. This thread ran until 2-13-07.

Started this thread on 4-23-06.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=401076

This thread ran until 1-30-07. Now, while I admit that 5 months between starting those threads may not be "soon", it does seem, if I can read a friggin' calender correctly, that April of '06 does usually come AFTER November of '05. If you will notice, my first post in said 2nd thread is a defense of CS and somewhat of an indictment of other manufacturers and makers with regard to the CS scimitar and similar designs and outright knockoffs. Now, I did later apologize for the lack of photos, as they did not load on the thread. But, I did do exactly as I said I would.

As for the Strider thing- Most of the info I had was either already online or scuttlebutt floating around the knife knuts. What I added was the perspective of CS, though the facts were already known, and let the chips fall where they may.

As for being rude, you will note that I usually only get rude when others strike at me first, though all I offer is the other side and a little perspective. I guess some just don't want to examine their positions and have them disputed. So be it.

You, however, have repeatedly said that I have not done what I have said I was going to, and that does impugn my integrity. Forgive me if I do not simply roll over for you and surrender. Just isn't how I do things.

 

[MORIMOTOM]

Is that right?

hey, he was talking to ME!!!!


mind your own business!!!!!

 

[greater]

I find Cold Steel Knives to be very well made with solid lockup and properly heat treated steel

 

[RNST]

When the Cold Steel CEO flamed Strider, Cold Steel fell off my radar screen. I love my Striders what ever their flaws are real or imagined.

 

[DrThunder88]

When the Cold Steel CEO flamed Strider, Cold Steel fell off my radar screen. I love my Striders what ever their flaws are real or imagined.

It seems to me that Cold Steel and Strider would both have many more fans--or at least, many fewer detractors--if it weren't for Lynn Thompson and Mick Strider being loudmouthed jerks. I don't really desire either of their products, but if I did, I'd endeavor to keep my money out of the hands of douchebags (sadly, this choice doesn't apply to taxes).

I shouldn't say I don't desire any of their products. I did recently order a CS Kudu as I am a fan of Okapi knives. I don't know why the sale page couldn't say, "Hey, we're making an Okapi," instead of referring to it as an "inexpensive ring lock folder."

 

[3Guardsmen]

Let's see-
Started this thread on 11-18-05
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=373633

I ended my first post with "Be patient- I'll have more soon." More- that is what I said, and I believe I delivered. This thread ran until 2-13-07.

Started this thread on 4-23-06.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=401076

This thread ran until 1-30-07. Now, while I admit that 5 months between starting those threads may not be "soon", it does seem, if I can read a friggin' calender correctly, that April of '06 does usually come AFTER November of '05. If you will notice, my first post in said 2nd thread is a defense of CS and somewhat of an indictment of other manufacturers and makers with regard to the CS scimitar and similar designs and outright knockoffs. Now, I did later apologize for the lack of photos, as they did not load on the thread. But, I did do exactly as I said I would.

So, you're saying that this:

I have not mentioned other knife manufacturers in any negative fashion in my previous posts. I had not planned to. But I am getting some information that I am verifying (to the best of my ability) that might shed some light on some of these other manufacturers that is not very positive.

I wonder if you are willing to be just as vicious with other companies when those companies motives and integrity are called into question.

Be patient- I'll have more soon

was answered with this:

In fact, an argument could be made that Tighe, SOG, Emerson, MOD, and some custom maker, in fact, “ripped-off” CS and the scimitar. Just look below:

The Scimitar-


The Tighe Stick-


Emerson-


SOG-


MOD-


Don’t know who this is, but c’mon-


And even another that seems to me to be pretty blatant-


Yet, I don’t hear any of you screaming foul or rip-off to defend CS and its interests. Hmm… seems a little inaccurate and perhaps even hypocritical. As long as its LT or CS, it’s okay to call them names and make accusations. But heaven forbid you might be wrong. None of these people or companies called CS or LT and said, “hey, we’d like to use an upswept blade and a downswept handle for our knife design, is that okay?” But you expect and demand that CS and LT do that, even when he is not borrowing or, in your estimation, stealing from another maker. That downswept handle from CS, by the way, predates all of the above knives and was used with the Vaquero line of knives for well over 10 years.

5 months later, with no pictures, no model names (except for the Brian Tighe design), and no specs?!?! That's your case? Ernest Emerson, Spencer Frazier (SOG), Brian Tighe, Masters Of Defense (MOD), and some custom maker, known only to you, ripped off Cold Steel, all based off of Cold Steel's Scimitar model, which itself is based on an old Persian design?

That's rich, but it also contradicts what you stated here:

As to the integrity issue- the example I later referred to (in this thread) is the Mick Stryder issue. In previous posts on other threads (too lazy to find them now) some haters have made statements like, "I won't buy from CS because LT has no integrity. I will stick with makers like Stryder."

I pointed out the hypocracy of said statement since Stryder's "integrity" is questionable at best. LT doesn't make any claims about his history or resume' that aren't factual and honest. He didn't build a business off of a misrepresentation- but his integrity is bogus whereas Stryder's is not? I don't see it.

As for the financial involvement- I am still looking into it. I heard from LT himself that he was not financially involved and that he was actually approached by parties involved to participate. He chose not to, though his name was smeared afterward. I need info from others outside of CS in order to satisfy you guys. But I wonder why, since afterall I am a liar and a shill and my word is suspect. Why should I rush to satisfy the haters? I've got a life (ever heard of those?), it's a busy one, and I will get to it when time permits. If you notice, many if not most of my posts are quite late at night when info gathering is not optimum.

But, keep it up my CS hating friends. Hammer away at me. Call me names and belittle my integrity. I am only trying to level the playing field, but that is not what you want. So who really looks like the bigger doofus?

That the Strider/background issue was what you had been promising!

And what about here:

The best I can give you is "as soon as possible". Let me knock on a few doors and make a few calls. Takes time. But I should have some more soon.

Though, again, the thread I linked above did follow this one, and I addressed some of those issues in that thread. But I will try to get more soon.

Why would you be saying that you'll "have more soon," on 07-17-2006 (July comes after April in case you were confused about that), if, as you stated above, you had already provided the information you stated you would on 04-23-06?

As for the Strider thing- Most of the info I had was either already online or scuttlebutt floating around the knife knuts. What I added was the perspective of CS, though the facts were already known, and let the chips fall where they may.

As for being rude, you will note that I usually only get rude when others strike at me first, though all I offer is the other side and a little perspective. I guess some just don't want to examine their positions and have them disputed. So be it.

You, however, have repeatedly said that I have not done what I have said I was going to, and that does impugn my integrity. Forgive me if I do not simply roll over for you and surrender. Just isn't how I do things.

A pretty decent breakdown of the lack of information provided:
http://http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3861235&postcount=154

3G

 

[3Guardsmen]

Kind of what I figured.

3G

 

[tonyccw]

Late to this thread, but this needs to be addressed.

So Bob Lum designed all those swords over the centuries.

hamaguri, clam shaped edge, convexed, this isn't a new thing either.

It is when it's done via stock removal and a dedicated full tang, non-wrapped handle. He's not known for inventing the tanto. He's known for introducing a new way to make it to a market that didn't want to have it just the traditional way. Broke the barrier so to speak.

 

[bearcut]

I recently made a cold steel purchase, A baseball bat! The 'Brooklyn Crusher' . I keep it under the bed.

I had one of their original, [I think], knives. It was a small tanto folder.

At the time, I guess it was around 1978, the tanto blade was something totally new to us westerners. The laminated blade was very unique also, { nobody had ever heard of Fallkniven}. The Kraton handle was also a 'first'. The knife was very expensive at the time. It probably cost at least twice what a Buck went for.
The whole knife was really a radical departure from what was available from Buck, Case, etc. In fact, cold steel was the first new knife company in a long time. Benchmade, CRKT, possibly Spyderco, and many others didn't even exist.

The inner blade steel was supposed to be the hardest thing out there. Well,
it was hard to sharpen{!}, and didn't seem to hold an edge all that well. I remember the overall quality was pretty good though.

I kinda lost interest in them after that and never purchased anythinge else from them until the baseball bat.
I like the bat very much but the edge came from the factory VERY dull.....

 

[Unsub]

Bat came very dull,I LOL'd.

I don't like CS's business practice and their knives over 60$ are usually overpriced copies of other better knives but I do like some of their cheaper items like the Machetes ,the shovel
and the hawks. I will only buy them second hand or preferably find something similar from a different company like H&B for the Hawks. When you compare a Guy like Lynn to a gentleman like Sal it makes the decision very easy.