What is with Cold Steel?

averageguy said:
It's the Busse and Spyderco fan-boy club that spends the most time knocking CS.
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I beg to differ. I might not like Busse that much, but I *am* a Spyderco fan. Yet here I am, defending Cold Steel's products. Frankly, people like you make my job a lot harder. Attempting to shoot down every single criticism of CS is not helpful when some of those criticisms are totally valid. (Trying to pass off 420 stainless as good, for example.)

averageguy said:
I'm pretty sure I know more than you do. For example. I know infi isn't magic and that there are no MS makers using Busse edge geometry.
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This from the guy who didn't know what S30V or a thumbhole were. :jerkit:

Seriously dude, you've made it quite clear that you don't know your butt from a borehole. LURK MOAR.
 
everything else aside ... i might not agree with the way lynne thompson runs his add campaign ... but my carbon v trail guide = supa awesome and that all i have to say .. off to work
 
auto veritas said:
everything else aside ... i might not agree with the way lynne thompson runs his add campaign ... but my carbon v trail guide = supa awesome and that all i have to say .. off to work
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See, the thing is that the Carbon V knives weren't even made by Cold Steel. (Not that they actually make any of their products in house.)

If they said Camillus on them (who I believe manufactured them), people wouldn't rag on them so much.
 
Khalnath said:
See, the thing is that the Carbon V knives weren't even made by Cold Steel. (Not that they actually make any of their products in house.)

If they said Camillus on them (who I believe manufactured them), people wouldn't rag on them so much.
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If Camillus marketed like Thompson, they'd get the same treatment. Look at Dark Ops. It's a catch 22 for CS, the very marketing making them their money is the very reason some people dislike them so much.
 
averageguy said:
"why the hell are you talking about busse now? stay on topic. or are you just being a troll?

wtf do you care how many posts i have? what does calling me names prove? that you're an ass?"


It's the Busse and Spyderco fan-boy club that spends the most time knocking CS.
These many posts suggests someone with a big mouth, who wants to be heard and is desperately trying to belong to the club.


"Your posts are only controversial and weighty to others who also know next to nothing about the knife industry."

I'm pretty sure I know more than you do. For example. I know infi isn't magic and that there are no MS makers using Busse edge geometry.
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you are kidding only yourself.
 
Kaizen1 said:
If Camillus marketed like Thompson, they'd get the same treatment. Look at Dark Ops. It's a catch 22 for CS, the very marketing making them their money is the very reason some people dislike them so much.
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Shady marketting makes a shitty company, not a shitty product. There is a difference. The fact that people refuse to make the distinction is the source of these arguments.
 
I am a soldier who is on my 2nd deployment to Iraq for a total of nearly 30 months in theater. I also am a knife fanatic. I currently carry a newer model SRK. I will have to say for the money it is a decent knife. I use it for a multitude of chores. The coating has been coming off, but overall a good knife. My last deployment a purchased a recon folder and it fell apart within a week just from opening. I have nver had a chance to send it to the company, because I mailed it home and its been in storage. Hopefully one day i will be able to do so. Bottom line all this CS bashing is pretty crazy. There good knives for the cost. Definitely not worth passing up. AND BTW if any cold steel reps read this could you email me the return policy for folders. Thanks, my email is; jesse.l.campbell@us.army.mil (i will let everyone know what happens in regards to cusotomer service at a later date.
 
Khalnath, there's a little more to it than that.

I have a lot of Cold Steel knives and I keep them because they are good knives. Mostly talking about Carbon V and Taiwan AUS-8. I got a laugh out of the early videos, I really liked them as light entertainment, and as showing me knives I hadn't paid much attention to. Enough already, for me, but the latest DVDs probably showcase their current lineup pretty well for people just getting into them.

Unfortunately, LT has made too many public statements that I personally find detrimental to the knife community. I don't like him using his website to trash another manufacturer. There are more appropriate venues for that. I go there to research his knives, not his legal problems. Negative advertising repels me. So he lost a customer.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
Khalnath, there's a little more to it than that.

I have a lot of Cold Steel knives and I keep them because they are good knives. Mostly talking about Carbon V and Taiwan AUS-8. I got a laugh out of the early videos, I really liked them as light entertainment, and as showing me knives I hadn't paid much attention to. Enough already, for me, but the latest DVDs probably showcase their current lineup pretty well for people just getting into them.

Unfortunately, LT has made too many public statements that I personally find detrimental to the knife community. I don't like him using his website to trash another manufacturer. There are more appropriate venues for that. I go there to research his knives, not his legal problems. Negative advertising repels me. So he lost a customer.
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I don't see how that's "more to it." You just confirmed my point. The knives are good (some of them anyway), it's the company that's shitty. That's what I've been saying the whole time.

Judge the knife on its own merits, and judge the company separately. Soviet made AK-47s are some of the most dependable rifles ever made. Stalin being a monster doesn't make it a crappy gun.

If you hate the company, say so. I won't argue. Just don't blame the knife unless there's actually something wrong with the knife.
 
But Camillus is gone and CS is still here. I personally think that the advertising by CS is hillarious- but at least he is showing his knives in use- few others do. The high end knives are not worth the price to me, the low end is just that low end good for the money, and many of the mid priced knives I think are worth it. It pissed me off about the Grohmann, I laughed at the Strider clone (this is more what I think the price should be); but I have no stake in either company so Meh. I just bought 4 poll axes from them- and not only was I not charged shipping but (supposedly) Lynn wrote me back personally. Of course it was in responce to me asking for higher class materials on high end knives- "San Mai is nearly indestructable".

I understand why some people have such a problem with him and I respect that. All of my knives are users and I see Cold Steel knives as such. I fairness to all sides of the discussion I have decided to do the following. If I see a Cold Steel design that I really like I put it on my mental list for when I see it at a good price (most recently Pendleton Mini-hunter). The other designs I do not look at regardless of price. That way I boycott some of the line -I often purchase good deals even if they are not on my want list- while not depriving my collection of good knives.
Wow I think this is the first CS thread I've entered.
 
Khalnath, there is nothing wrong with the knives and there is nothing wrong with the company. What's wrong is one man, LT. I won't let that turn me against good knives, but I flinch at the thought of sending him my money. His personality (poisonality?) is keeping my money from supporting his employees. Too bad.
 
Khalnath said:
Shady marketting makes a shitty company, not a shitty product. There is a difference. The fact that people refuse to make the distinction is the source of these arguments.
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I make this distiction in a lot of my posts, when that's the subject of the conversation.
 
CUTS LIKE A KRIS said:
If I see a Cold Steel design that I really like I put it on my mental list for when I see it at a good price (most recently Pendleton Mini-hunter).
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The mini-hunter is a great little knife with a darn good sheath! it can be worn as a neck knife as well as on the belt and can even be slipped in a pocket it's very light.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
Khalnath, there is nothing wrong with the knives and there is nothing wrong with the company. What's wrong is one man, LT. I won't let that turn me against good knives, but I flinch at the thought of sending him my money. His personality (poisonality?) is keeping my money from supporting his employees. Too bad.
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I overlook the BS and see LT as an outdoorsman which he is, and a darn fine hunter to boot! And from what i understand his political views are straight shooting.(inline with mine)
 
Esav Benyamin said:
Khalnath, there is nothing wrong with the knives and there is nothing wrong with the company. What's wrong is one man, LT. I won't let that turn me against good knives, but I flinch at the thought of sending him my money. His personality (poisonality?) is keeping my money from supporting his employees. Too bad.
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I won't argue with that.
 
i used to love em'! but then i got tired of listening to L.T. bash all the other brands while bragging to no end about how tough his knives were and how they held a fantastic edge. well,,,tough, yes. edge holding was,,, ummm,,kinda disappointing. i had a carbon v master hunter that came scary sharp new but dulled rather quickly while skinning a deer. at the same time i had a buck knife, the model 102 woodsman if i remember correctly, that would skin an entire deer and still shave hair. so the edge holding bragg was B.S. then i bought a trailmaster. tough as heck. chopped well. but, the kraton handle was starting to show bad signs of wear with very little use. it was then i realized that cold steels were no better than any of the other brands. strong in some areas, weak in others. then the final straw for me, being a victorinox sak fan, Mr. Thompson began selling in his catalog a china made sak knock off for around 13.00 each, the same ones selling at every flea market in america for a dollar each, and claiming these were as good or better than the originals, victorinox and wengers. and stating the originals were over priced and over rated. now that was just plain B.S. why start bashing the sak companies? i guess i just got fed up with Mr. Thompsons lies and attitude. and that is why i no longer own any cold steels.,,,VWB.
 
3Guardsmen said:
So, do you have the "dirt" you promised on other knife manufacturers yet? Its only been like two years now.

3G
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I answered this question a long time ago. I already said look at the chronology of my posts to see other responses and threads i started on said subjects. Since you enjoy researching me and my personal information so much, why don't you go back through all of my posts and really read those too. I know you have nothing better to do than try make me out to be a liar.

You know 3G, I would love to discuss this further with you, but I know it will only end up in you and other haters impugning my integrity again, and I don't feel like pissing up a rope with you. I have tried to always be respectful of you and the other haters, though I am sorry to say that I have not always succeeded.

I'll see LT tomorrow. I'll give him your regards.
 
DngrRuss1 said:
I answered this question a long time ago. I already said look at the chronology of my posts to see other responses and threads i started on said subjects. Since you enjoy researching me and my personal information so much, why don't you go back through all of my posts and really read those too. I know you have nothing better to do than try make me out to be a liar.
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First off, it wasn't a "question!" You promised "dirt" on other manufacturers (plural) and you never provided it. When called on the carpet about that, you stated that what you were going to tell was the Strider/background story. Other members would surely rush to your defense If you had provided the info you promised, would they not?

Researching you?:rolleyes: I "googled" your screen name after reading a post where another member found you worked nearby to Cold Steel. It's not my fault that you said you weren't in the employ of Cold Steel and then were found to have appeared in their videos, doing demonstrations with their knives.

DngrRuss1 said:
You know 3G, I would love to discuss this further with you, but I know it will only end up in you and other haters impugning my integrity again, and I don't feel like pissing up a rope with you. I have tried to always be respectful of you and the other haters, though I am sorry to say that I have not always succeeded.
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How is asking for what you promised to deliver "impugning your integrity?" How is stating the fact that a google search of your screen name yeilds info that shows that you have appeared in Cold Steel videos "impugning your integrity," unless of course it prooves that you were not being truthful when you stated you didn't work for Cold Steel?

You, "respectful?" Hah! I can show you posts where you have called names, questioned member's sexuality, and made veiled threats. Can you do the same for me? Nope! That because I have not called you any names. All I have done is repeatedly ask you for information you offered to provide and called you on the carpet for not doing so.

3G
 
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