What is your dream forging press?

Daniel Koster said:
looks like the die is "impacting" the cyan spacer bar (the 3D model, anyway).


Are you going to put a spring on the lock? it would help, I think.
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No spring needed, Gravity will drop the pin after the die is inserted all the way in. Look at the second pic. The lock rides up on the die plate. It doesnt touch the spacer at all.
 
sorry for not being clear...I was just poking at your die model....:o



this is what I'm talking about:


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Looks like it's overlapping....just giving you a bad time....




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Daniel Koster said:
sorry for not being clear...I was just poking at your die model....:o
just giving you a bad time....
:footinmou
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Dan,, watch it, I'm the only one that can do that.. ;) :)
 
Mike, i don't have my cam done yet.

think of it as a scroll, place your die holder on the side of the die receiver (angle iron thingie)

Mine will just be a flat plate, the angle iron pierced on the side to receive it.

The picture ain't plate but it was closest to the shape I mean.

I'm not sure the placement of the die lock on top of the plate is a good idea.
For one it would need to be below the bottom die at all times. Looks like something I'd get snagged on, but I'm prone to that sort of thing anyway. :)


http://home.flash.net/~dwwilson/beautifuliron/blacksmithscroll.jpg
 
Daniel Koster said:
sorry for not being clear...I was just poking at your die model....:o


this is what I'm talking about:


Looks like it's overlapping....just giving you a bad time....


:footinmou
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I should have caught on, sorry. I figured i screwed up when i was trying to explain it. I'll have to go check that now to make sure it doesnt interfere.
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I just checked it and you were right Daniel, They did clash. Another problem avoided thanks to you guys.
 
Sweany said:
Mike, i don't have my cam done yet.

think of it as a scroll, place your die holder on the side of the die receiver (angle iron thingie)

Mine will just be a flat plate, the angle iron pierced on the side to receive it.

The picture ain't plate but it was closest to the shape I mean.

I'm not sure the placement of the die lock on top of the plate is a good idea.
For one it would need to be below the bottom die at all times. Looks like something I'd get snagged on, but I'm prone to that sort of thing anyway. :)


http://home.flash.net/~dwwilson/beautifuliron/blacksmithscroll.jpg
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I had a discussion with Fitso a week ago about using a cam and i was concerned that dirt and crap would get in there and keep the cam from doing what it was intended to do so I dismissed the idea.

Do you think it would be effected by slag?

If you have practical experience with that and it worked for you I might have to model that and see what it looks like. I dont know if the application is the same but what the hell, lets see if it will work?

Regarding the lever sticking up to high. You are correct. I changed the angle of the lever and shortened it a little. It sticks up from the face of the 1" plate 1 5/8". It is below the bottom dies. I dont know how it will be when the press is in use thou. It is bolted on so if it is in the way i could always laser a new one and bolt it in later. (Providing i go with this design)

Daniel: The dies dont hit the scraper any more, thanks for catching that.
 
I think you will find that over 90% of your work and different dies will not need a "lock" for them.The only dies I lock down are the set I use for cutting billets in half to make radial patterns. Yeah, if I put a billet in a little cocked the top or bottom die may slide a little but w/ most of the dies you will use it won't matter much since it is so to just slap it back whenever you go to the forge for another heat. But whatever works for someone on their own shop for sure. My way is dang sure not the only way!
 
Bill i agree the die keeper are not the big thing to me either most will adjust as you learn what the press will do and how it will respond in certain loads of forward or backward pressure most press are not moving dies that much most of the time i want use the keeper except when i know i might be placing a off center push then i loosen it and let it do its thing its not used all the time they are places that they work good but like Bill said most of the time you just adapt .
i have often thought that to keep movement to a minimum that one would make a rough texture on the bottom of the dies and the seat of the dies bed, when pressure is on hot steel the dies would be in contact and not slip
just thinking out loud Bowie

headed back to the shop
 
I'm with you on moving the thing around after you use it a while. I learned that one a while back. make things so they are easily modified. :D


What Ron said too, the cam I'm using on the anvil , amnd I still don't have a pic is used vertical ,so no slag is trapped in it. I'm thinking though the most slag build up is going to be between the bottom die and the holder. But then again I've only built this in my mind so far.

This is more what I had in mind
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i found it here http://www.carrlane.com

They have all kinda nifty stuff in there.
 
Sweany said:
I'm with you on moving the thing around after you use it a while. I learned that one a while back. make things so they are easily modified. :D


What Ron said too, the cam I'm using on the anvil , amnd I still don't have a pic is used vertical ,so no slag is trapped in it. I'm thinking though the most slag build up is going to be between the bottom die and the holder. But then again I've only built this in my mind so far.

This is more what I had in mind

i found it here http://www.carrlane.com

They have all kinda nifty stuff in there.
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I will draw it and see what i can do with it.
I am going on vacation next week so it willbe when i get back.

I thought i would post a pic of the tank that i had in mind. I dont know how much i can get done before my vacation so it is still in the drawing stage.
 
Them squar tanks are a bunch easier to make than em round uns less you got a roll. If I was gonna make me a round un I'd use a chunk of oxy tank or sumpthin already rouind. (big grin)
 
Somewhere, given knifemakers' penchant for backyard engineering, I bet there is a round tank that looks just like a 5 gallon bucket with two hoses stuck in the top and secured quite "professionally" with ducktape. ;) :D
 
fitzo said:
Somewhere, given knifemakers' penchant for backyard engineering, I bet there is a round tank that looks just like a 5 gallon bucket with two hoses stuck in the top and secured quite "professionally" with ducktape. ;) :D
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What kind of a jack-ass would do something like that?!?!?!?!?!?

:p :D :p :D

Ahhhh Fitz, we have way too much fun at each other's expense! :D

-Nick-
 
suare easier than round? yeah but the commercially made are often square. Do you think they stole the design from the backyard guys??

Ducktape and five gallon bucket? Hmmm you might have something there. :D:D:D
 
boat fuel tank $15.00 :D
duct tape....
Mike you wouldn't do that would you :eek: :) you must have a chemical container that will hold fuel? :D

if it's round it will just roll off on you..you'd need straps, and trigs, binders,
hay wire, with square tanks you just plunk it down :D
 
NickWheeler said:
Ahhhh Fitz, we have way too much fun at each other's expense! :D

-Nick-
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Wouldn't want it any other way, Nick! :D

Dan, I'd'a used the outboard motor fuel tank but it's much too valuable as a weedkiller tank what with that pressure pump built in. ;) :D
 
Along the lines of what Dan said. A 12" round holds 3.92 gallons,
while a 12" square holds 7.48 gallons.

I need the capacity and a lot easier to "plunk down"!!
 
What didnt you guys tell me that lock idea was stupid!?:D


Here is the new and improved die holder/lock system. (thanks for setting me straight Fitso, is this what you meant?) The blue pins would store in the 2 outside keepers. There is 1 extra pin for the top and bottom.

Comments are welcome.

Nick Wheeler: I like your idea about scapping the slag off on the slag catcher. What if I hardened a piece of 1/4" O1 and bolted it to the inside of the slag catcher to scrape against? Would that make sense? I could put a really nice hammon on it.;)
 
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