What knives do you find overrated?

[asdf12345]

So your metric for coming back together perfectly the same is that it "feels" the same? Sorry if I don't believe that properly substantiates your claim either about the Sebenza or about other folders which you claim don't reassemble exactly right because they are "lacking" in tight tolerances.

Tolerances visibly tighter? Without calipers? So tell me, what does a .001 gap look like compared to a .003 one? Are you cherry-picking production knives with substantial flaws or bad fit to make your comparison?

Please tell us which knives have presented those reassembly problems for you so that potential consumers can be made aware of how lacking they are in the right tolerances department. I would sure have appreciated some heads up on some knives I've bought in the past - nobody was willing to "shit talk" as you say.

As far as interpreting my list to mean I think those knives are bad - I don't think we're using the same definition of "overrated". Just because a knife is overrated, doesn't mean it's a bad knife at all. In fact, it may be a better knife than most others, yet still be overrated.

Why would fewer parts necessarily equate to less precision? I don't understand this at all, please explain.

How do I know it went back together the same way... god, what a boring thing to take issue with. Because it opened and closed with a nice, hydraulic feel beforehand, and it had exactly the same feel afterward. I don't need to break out the calipers. The tolerances are visibly tighter on the Sebenza than most less-expensive production knives, and I don't know what to tell you if you want to dispute that; it's not a judgement, it's an observation.

But I've had production knives that required multiple loosenings and partial disassemblies in order to fix centering, correct blade-play that wasn't there before-hand, and try to get the action to a suitable spot. In other cases, these issues were there to begin with; after making a useless attempt to fix a defective knife and voiding the warranty, I won't bother trying to fix a knife that arrives with problems again... that's what returns are for. No point voiding the warranty.

I've got no names to give you. There's been too much shit-talking already. Crow over that if you like, or let it lay. Your call. Considering the length of the list you unfurled specifying knives that failed to meet your expectations, I'm kind of surprised you're defending the quality of the 'modern folder'...


The difference between those knives and the Sebenza, in terms of tolerances, was obvious, IMO. The difference with reassembly was the ease of it. Adjusting the Sebenza to get the action right was not a matter of guesswork; centering is never off, and it pulls together square and true without special effort. As I mentioned, others haven't been that simple. They weren't complicated -- the part count on the Seb 25 is around 15, compared to 20-23 -- they just weren't as precise. If you think I'm making a crazy claim -- whatever. I would have thought from your sig-line you liked the Sebenza... maybe you do. Maybe you're playing devil's advocate, as a fearless defender of truth. Keep fighting the good fight, I guess.

Your last line offers the key to the problem:



On some modern folders, they don't ensure correct alignment.

 

[agony]

Randall knives.

 

[Sikael]

So your metric for coming back together perfectly the same is that it "feels" the same? Sorry if I don't believe that properly substantiates your claim either about the Sebenza or about other folders which you claim don't reassemble exactly right because they are "lacking" in tight tolerances.

Tolerances visibly tighter? Without calipers? So tell me, what does a .001 gap look like compared to a .003 one? Are you cherry-picking production knives with substantial flaws or bad fit to make your comparison?

Please tell us which knives have presented those reassembly problems for you so that potential consumers can be made aware of how lacking they are in the right tolerances department. I would sure have appreciated some heads up on some knives I've bought in the past - nobody was willing to "shit talk" as you say.

As far as interpreting my list to mean I think those knives are bad - I don't think we're using the same definition of "overrated". Just because a knife is overrated, doesn't mean it's a bad knife at all. In fact, it may be a better knife than most others, yet still be overrated.

Why would fewer parts necessarily equate to less precision? I don't understand this at all, please explain.

Nah. That sounds really tedious. Instead -- why don't you explain what it is exactly that makes every knife you've named so over-rated, as opposed to over-priced? What's your metric for that, since apparently every opinion has to have one? You've got all the explanations... and calipers. I've already mentioned I don't really care enough, but obviously you're more conscientious about making public service announcements about 'knives that suck'. The floor is yours. Feel free to crap all over it, if you want.

 

[@LeathermanGX]

WoW. They just don't know what to say when you make them stumble over their own BS rap.

"fit and finish" "tolerances" LOL

 

[nick21]

Could you make your trolling a bit less obvious.

 

[@LeathermanGX]

Why yes suh.

 

[Sikael]

Why yes suh.

Do you have actual thoughts that don't involve .gifs and .jpegs? How do you communicate in the real world? Bring 50 lame T-shirts to work?

 

[@LeathermanGX]

 

[Sikael]

You're quick on the draw with those...

 

[Krissig12]

GX, no one is trying to silence you. Please either contribute your opinion in a well thought out and intelligible fashion, or GTFO. Thanks

 

[druid189]

You know what I think is overrated? Bashing a well-made knife with a passionate following just to piss people off.

I don't even own a Sebenza but it's clear that Leatherman and druid are trying to rile people up...

Untrue sir. I have said it in threads prior to this one....by several weeks in fact.....


I stated back then, that I have a hard time justifying the prices of some blades. NOT necessarily form makers on this forum but just in general. The Sebenza just happened to come up in conversation here and I added my comment. I believe I once compared it ["it" being 'overpriced' blades in general] to "rare/collectible" baseball cards....saying something along the lines of "It's only worth ______ if someone is willing to pay that for it. It's a piece of paper with some ink on it." - or something to that effect.

Knives to some are as collectible as those baseball cards. I completely understand that. But I'm not that "collector" kind of guy and if a person wants to spend $350 on a tiny knife [by my standard], then more power to them. To me, it's a waste. To others, it's a blade of a lifetime [perhaps].

I even stated in this thread that it [the Sebenza] very well may be worth it's price tag. What I probably should have stated was - "just not to me." I apologize for that omission. I have a hard time justifying to myself, spending what amounts to "almost the full price of a Glock," on a knife that's all but less than 7" in total length [with a 2.94" blade]. I don't care what it's made of, the tolerances of the fit, the materials used or the fact its only 3 ounces. It serves no extraordinary purpose for me, even though it might be constructed with extraordinary care. To ME, it's size is comparable with a KABAR Dozier...which I find small in my hand as well. So for me to hold my Dozier and think about the Sebenza construction in that size blade.....doesn't justify the price tag to me.

Who am I to judge the "worth" of a particular blade? Absolutely no one...but I am a consumer with a specific set of criteria that determine my purchases. That's all I'm saying.

 

[@LeathermanGX]

 

[asdf12345]

Oh, so it's tedious now.

If you have had bad experiences with knives, tell us. You had no problem making two very long posts about how the Sebenza excels and other production knives fall short.

The difference between your post and mine is that you're making specific claims about a specific knife at the expense of other knives. I have any number of reasons why I think knives from my list are overrated - many of which have nothing to do with tolerances, quality or fit. I also made no comments as to how those knives compare with others, either superior or inferior. If I had made any specific claims, you can be sure I would go into detail if confronted on them.

Nah. That sounds really tedious. Instead -- why don't you explain what it is exactly that makes every knife you've named so over-rated, as opposed to over-priced? What's your metric for that, since apparently every opinion has to have one? You've got all the explanations... and calipers. I've already mentioned I don't really care enough, but obviously you're more conscientious about making public service announcements about 'knives that suck'. The floor is yours. Feel free to crap all over it, if you want.

 

[stabman]

I will give this the substantive response it deserves:

I will then see your Sebenza rant, and raise you by this:

And finally...

 

[Esav Benyamin]

I think this thread has failed thoroughly enough to be closed now.