What makes a steel easy to sharpen?

Vanadium carbides are large and hard, So carbides have an independent hardness then the whole blade?

Also what fills the gaps in steels with low carbide volume?

The iron and other metals in the steel, such as Chromium that has not formed carbides, makes up what is called the "matrix" of the steel, suspending the carbides and holding them within that matrix, while allowing the blade to have the properties of both the metals in the matrix and the very hard carbides.
Adjusting the makeup of that matrix can have a large impact on how the steel performs as well, in general.

This is also true of materials like Stellite 6K, which is made up of carbides suspended in a matrix of Cobalt instead of iron alloy, making it impervious to rust, non-magnetic, and great for cutting thick material like cloth. It doesn't hold an edge as long as an equivalent (in terms of carbide type/density) steel though, because the cobalt matrix itself isn't very stable compared to hardened steel, so the matrix wears away more quickly and the carbides erode out of the matrix.

Steel and material chemistry in general is way more complicated than we usually give it credit for.
 
Vanadium carbides are large and hard, So carbides have an independent hardness then the whole blade?

Also what fills the gaps in steels with low carbide volume?

Think concrete. Imagine the gravel being the vanadium carbides. The matrix being the cement.
 
I think that it's time for a metallurgy class. My BIL is a mechanical engineer and inventor, and the class is what he recommends. I am a newish knife sharpener, and the types of steel are very confusing. I noticed that some knives are extremely difficult to sharpen (usually expensive ones). Also, I have heard that ceramic belts are effective for hard-to-sharpen knives.........................Dan
 
If it wasn't technique and experience then you could give a sharpening newbie a knife with 52100 blade steel and a 600 grit stone and you wouldn't be left with a reprofile job......At the same time, you could give an experienced free hand sharpener a knife in S90V and the same stone, and you would have a wonderful working edge in minutes.....

All things being equal, the only difference may be a small variance in time.
 
The unfortunate truth of this question is that there are still a MASSIVE number of variables that will effect how easy a steel is to sharpen, even eliminating what the OP said.

The main distinct factors are going to be found in the chemical composition of the steel, but that is only in regard to the part that the steel itself plays in sharpening, which is about 50% of the process.
The other 50% of the process is all in the person who is sharpening, their skill, and what they consider "easy" and "sharp". For example, my cousin is not that good at sharpening to a fine edge, but he is very good at working his edges into a nice toothy finish that is still very sharp. For him, steels like S90V aren't really that hard to sharpen, but he has more issues with some of the more simple, low-alloy steels that don't take a toothy edge as readily, even though many other people consider those much easier to sharpen.
Not only that, but what you consider "sharp" is sometimes a little bit of a subjective thing as well. Some people don't think a knife is sharp unless it has a fine and keen edge that is polished and highly finished, but other people (myself included on some knives) only really need a working edge, because they know that is what is better for their particular cutting needs. That's also why you will hear people often have a very different opinion on how long it takes a blade to get dull, even if their method of sharpening is very similar. One person already thinks their edge is dull while the other is able to keep using it for quite a while longer.

Beyond that is also the inherent skill in sharpening, which is a hard thing to really acquire, but very valuable once you have it, because it will make sharpening almost any steel very easy when you have the right materials to get the job done.


But the steel itself will play, again, about 50% of the role in sharpening, if you're using the right materials to sharpen (I'll assume we are for this since that's a whole other issue by itself), and you already have the needed skills as well.

Grain size will play a role, in that a knife with larger and harder carbides will be more difficult to give a fine edge (i.e. S90V), while a knife with extremely small carbides and a very clean grain structure will take a polished edge much more readily, and will hold a fine cutting edge and smooth apex to that edge much longer in general (i.e. M390).
In addition to that, the wear resistance of the steel is largely determined by the carbide structure, and that is usually going to play a pretty big role in how difficult it is to sharpen as well. Higher hardness in the same steel will usually lead to higher wear resistance, but to varying degrees for different steels, and only given a proper procedure in the heat treat.
Extremely high wear resistance combined with a very fine grain structure can lead to a steel that is relatively easy to sharpen with the right tools and technique, but that still has extremely good edge retention and takes a very keen edge for a very long time. A good example of this is ZDP-189, when properly heat treated to high hardness, like is done by Rockstead in their knives. Though there is a fairly good amount of skill needed to sharpen their knives, if you have the right tools and have not just let your knife completely go dull like a novice, then touching up the edge or lightly sharpening it is very easy, and you will only have to do so VERY rarely, considering the insane level of edge retention their achieve on their steels.

That also addresses another very important part of sharpening, which is "What is your blade like before you sharpen it?"
Sometimes we forget this question, because it is a VERY important one to keep in mind when you're trying to sharpen your blades. If you have let your blade become a butter knife, or you have to re-profile the edge, then the difficulty of sharpening a high-carbide modern steel with high wear-resistance like M390, S110V, or S125V(God help you if you're trying to reprofile this one...:eek:) exponentially increases, but if you are bringing the sharpness back to a blade that has slightly lost it's edge, or it's "bite" then that task will be much easier, and won't really require much more effort than sharpening a steel of lower wear-resistance/grain refinement, such as 440C (again, assuming that you are going to be using the right tools and the right technique).


The short version of this is that it is way to complicated to attribute to ANY one factor, even though we, as human beings, seem to have this ridiculous need to make everything simple and "black and white" when it comes to things that just aren't. There is never one cause for anything, and there is never really an easy answer when the question is in any way thorough. We just want it to be because it is easier that way and we can make ourselves feel better about not actually knowing what is going on.
If there is a need to frame your question with things like "forgetting/ignoring factors A, B, and C, what causes X?", then the question will not have one answer, almost guaranteed, because you cannot fully eliminate the extra variables in a question like that and scientifically determine only one cause, when all of the different variables are all constantly effecting the result you are questioning.

And that last bit isn't a dig at anyone or me being a jerk, and if it comes off like that I'm sorry. I'm a little tired of all of these questions that want a simple answer (at NO fault of the ones who ask them at ALL), and I'm damn glad it if Friday right now, so I might have gotten on my soap box a little bit there...

Also, I am omitting entirely the existence of Nitrogen-based steels in this comment/discussion, because I don't want to write EVEN MORE. So suffice it to say that Nitrogen-based steels would make this even more complicated than I already have here...yeah, this was the "short" version...

You mentioned having the right tools for something like ZDP-189....can you get that particular steel hair popping sharp with the Sharpmaker, or does it require diamond stones?
 
You mentioned having the right tools for something like ZDP-189....can you get that particular steel hair popping sharp with the Sharpmaker, or does it require diamond stones?

If you're talking about rebeveling, you're probably better off with more serious abrasives than the sharpmaker.
 
If you're talking about rebeveling, you're probably better off with more serious abrasives than the sharpmaker.

I've rebeveled with the diamonds on the Sharpmaker with no problem (though it did take a little time). However, I've had trouble getting it as sharp as I like on the ceramics. Wondering if a different abrasive than the ceramics might be in order.
 
I've rebeveled with the diamonds on the Sharpmaker with no problem (though it did take a little time). However, I've had trouble getting it as sharp as I like on the ceramics. Wondering if a different abrasive than the ceramics might be in order.

You can probably rebevel with the brown rods if you have enough time(and patience) on your hands. Doesn't mean it's optimal for the task.
 
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