What mis-information scared you as a kid?

When I was in grade school, I got picked on by older kids (two years was a big difference back then). I was afraid of them. I finally decided I couldn't take it anymore. I beat the oldest kid almost to unconsciousness. In today's PC world they would lock one up for that. But back then it was different. Anyhoo, the older kids never bothered me again.

I learned that inflicting pain has its uses.
 
One of my worst was being told if I did not move quickly enough, I would be left behind. This usually happened on the rare vacations. I would be left in some godforsaken place.
 
For many years I believed that any time something bad happened, I had done something to deserve it. And I wasn't even raised strictly Catholic. I got over that, but it took time.
 
cliff355 said:
Well, maybe not scared exactly but when I was circa 5 yrs. old I visited my ancient Presbyterian grandparents in WI and saw some kids next door that I wanted to go and play with. My grandmother forbade me from doing so giving the reason that they were Catholics.

I vaguely knew what Catholics were but wasn't aware of any rules against playing with them, so she advised me that they were "dirty."

50 years later I know perfectly well that there is nothing wrong with Catholics and that they are no more dirty than anyone else. Although I never exhibited any hostility toward catholics because of grandma's statement, to this day whenever someone tells me they are Catholic, what she said crosses my mind.

You really have to watch what you tell little boys, scary or otherwise. I think that is where most problems get started.

I hope that we, as parents can learn a bit here. It can be frustrating to deal with the screwy questions that kids ask and we are tempted to give them a quick, possibly BS answer. Often their constant questions can be irritating. Sometimes it seems as if they are just trying to "get" you.

I remember one of my kids, at about 6 yo, asked me, "If the world was made of ice cream where would it melt and drip?" I quickly answered, "Australia."

My mother was a sweetheart and very intelligent. I remember asking her knotty theological questions, like "How does God listen to so many peoples' prayers?" Usually she had a good answer, but sometimes she just said, "I don't know, you will have to ask God that question when you get to Heaven."

In my night time fears I remember her once asking me to get a frying pan from the back porch, a dark and scary place. I told her I was afraid and she said, "Don't be afraid, God is there and He will protect you."

I put my head through the door and asked, "God, would you hand me the frying pan?" I was serious, she laughed and went with me to get the pan. Well, she did tell everyone.

I also asked my Sunday school teacher a lot of questions, like, "How did the Pharoh escape drowning when the Red Sea drowned all the others?" She had no answer.

I quipped, "Maybe he caught a taxi-crab!" It was a final straw for her and she began calling me a "Transgressor." Said I was going to Hell.

Mother had a talk with her.

I was told that the Jews were "dirty." I knew some of the kids and they were no different from anyone else. I was also told they were all going to Hell because they did not accept Christ.

I was also curious about why our church was constantly asking for donations to send a missionary to Africa to briing Christ to people who were otherwise "going to Hell."

I voiced the obvious question, "Since the Jews are going to Hell, why don't we send a missionary down the street to the Jewish church? It would be cheaper and I know some of the Jewish kids. These people were my friends and neighbors." What about THEM. Also it would be MUCH less dangerous for the missionary than having to face cannibals."

Cheaper, safer and more appropriate.

They got mad at me, (again). I was mystified. Later when my friend Stuart Zuckerman died I felt very bad, betrayed.
 
I practically lived at church until I was almost 19. I had a love/hate relationship with my dad. I loved him because he was my dad, but he was the most sanctimonious judgemental bastard on the planet. He would get in feuds with people at church and forbid us to talk to them. I got caught talking with a friend of mine who's father my dad hated (maybe for good reason, I don't know), so I was dragged out of church and lectured about us all sticking together against the "enemies of the family." When I then asked my dad if it wasn't true that Christ said in Matthew that you were supposed to love your enemies and "pray for them that despitefully use you and persecute you", I got walloped for being a "smart-ass."

He lusted after every woman he saw, but self-righteously condemned "whoremongers", whatever the hell that was. He was an emotional cripple and subsequently an emotional manipulator of the worst sort. Since he had been verbally abused as a child, and abandoned by his parents, he was subsequently very verbally abusive and demeaning to all of us. He just about broke my Mother's will and after 24 years they divorced and she hates his memory to this day. Subsequently I have amazingly found myself being verbally abusive to my wife and children for no reason at all (?!), or for little reason, which is obviously something I am working on as the last thing I want to do is pass this thing on to my kids and their kids.

His favorite sport was public ridicule. Call all the neighborhood boys and girls over, and then make us stand there and say or do something humiliating. I still have the image burned into my memory of my brother standing on a chair in the middle of the living room crying, holding a teddy bear at the age of 12, while my dad called in all the neighborhood kids to laugh at him and make fun. My Dad was punishing him for something, and this was his way of completely demeaning him in public.

He constantly told us that God could wipe us out in the blink of an eye if he chose to if we expressed any doubt about the Church, but could not answer why a loving God as Father in Heaven would do such a thing.

He was big on swearing on the Bible. My brother and I got into a fight when we were 10 or 11 or so (we're a year apart almost exactly). "Who started it?" "He did!" "No, HE did!" Out comes the bible and the swearing, with the liar "going straight to hell." It never occurred to Mr. Solomon that two little kids might both think they're right. No, someone has to be judged guilty and go to Hell for all eternity because they fibbed about who bumped who first. That one gave me sweats for several years.

In short, he put on a great face of religiosity, which of course is no guarantee of perfection and I did not expect that, but he made little effort to try and take on some of the teachings that he constantly espoused to others.

My wife and I have raised our kids as Christians, and encouraged them to pray and believe in Christ as that is what we believe, but all the other bullshit we have left by the way, and I think they are better off for it.

No parent is perfect, but it's revealing how such little (or large) things can impact your kid's entire life. To paraphrase Proverbs 22, "Raise up a child in the way he should (or should not!) go, and when he is old he will not depart from it."

Now, 25 years after he died, if I could just get rid of some of this anger and hate and resentment I feel towards him and my Mother, maybe I could move on and not be weighted down with all this bitterness and repressed stuff.

I guess that's something I need to take up with a shrink...! Hey, what the hell, maybe they could fix my HIKV addiction as well! (-;

Regards,

Norm
 
I guess that's something I need to take up with a shrink...! Hey, what the hell, maybe they could fix my HIKV addiction as well! (-;...Norm

You don't need a shrink....you have us.....this is the best place to come for any kind of counseling :cool: :D :rolleyes:
 
Thanks Gin, you're absolutely right. But my wife has been bugging me to get some counseling, so after 21 years maybe I should break down and listen to her!

Although, I think I could get over my issues if Karen were to give me her Bura sword! It would soothe many of my anxieties. Help out an ailing fellow forumite would you?

However, if you choose to be uncaring and selfish, I guess I'll just have to keep suffering! Sigh...

:D ;) :D
 
Man, compared to some of these stories, I had it easy.

Dad never hit me, never ridiculed me, nothing. I guess that was kind of the problem, the man never talked to me. Mom either.

I was on my own for everything. I tried over the years to bridge the gap, with marginal success. I still try, but not much anymore.

I don't understand it, probably never will. There was never any event leading up to it, that is just how they chose to raise their kids. Seems like a waste though, and a bunch of garbage that will they will attempt to resolve on their deathbeds. Whats the point? Live now and make mistakes. Don't hide and try and fix them at the end ~ cowardly.


My dad has a passion for two things - cowboys and airplanes. In the closet he used to have a 22 lever action. If you had asked me of all the things I wanted in that house, that rifle was it.

I went home one weekend to visit, help out around the house. Over dinner dad starts saying how he was shopping around for a new quote on their homeowner's insurance. Having the gun in the closet raised the rates, so what does he do? Takes it down to the local police department and asks if they can use it. They say "No. Isn't there somebody you can give it to." He says "No." They take it, telling him they'll have to destroy it. He says Ok.

Then he got the quote, it wasn't any better, so he stuck with the original company. My jaw dropped, but he didn't get it. Maybe a lame story, but it hit me like a thousand pound stone. It was a long drive home that night.


Thank god for my grandfather.

He is the one that showed me love and warmth, and a genuine human spirit. Honestly he is a big reason I ended up here in the cantina. I found myself wondering one day, "where are all the grandfather figures in the world?" I stumbled in here because of knives, but found this to be a good place, with a hierarchy of caring people and elders who are here to share, help, and enjoy time together.


My heart goes out to those of you who were terrorized by your fathers. It really does. I can't even begin to imagine what it must have been like to grow up in a situation like that.

Ken
 
mamav said:
You don't need a shrink....you have us.....this is the best place to come for any kind of counseling :cool: :D :rolleyes:

Great answer Gin... I for one appreciate your listening.

Norm, horrible story. My sympathies completely... My dad was an out-of-control violent alcoholic who beat me, my mom & sisters. Once he tore a phone off the wall and beat my mom unconcious, then broke every window in the kitchen. Luckily he was gone by the time I was three.

I'm convinced my appreciation of firearms & weapons is in part due to being kicked across the room as a child, and witnessing violence.

A part of me must have said, "Nobody's going to hurt us again without a fight."

Nobody.


Ad Astra
 
Ad Astra said:
Great answer Gin... I for one appreciate your listening.

Norm, horrible story. My sympathies completely... My dad was an out-of-control violent alcoholic who beat me, my mom & sisters. Once he tore a phone off the wall and beat my mom unconcious, then broke every window in the kitchen. Luckily he was gone by the time I was three.

I'm convinced my appreciation of firearms & weapons is in part due to being kicked across the room as a child, and witnessing violence.

A part of me must have said, "Nobody's going to hurt us again without a fight."

Nobody.


Ad Astra

Damned right! Well said. My dad didn't drink thank God, but his favorite disciplinary tool was a gun belt on bare bottoms. My rear used to look like basketweave red leather when he was done.

Thanks goodness your father was out of your life at 3 years, or eventually someone would have gotten killed in one of his outbursts.

I paddled my kids when they were little with my hand, but pretty much gave it up by the age of 7 or so in favor of time outs in their room, or withdrawing privelidges, which seemed to be just as effective as they got older.

Regards,

Norm
 
Svashtar said:
Thanks Gin, you're absolutely right. But my wife has been bugging me to get some counseling, so after 21 years maybe I should break down and listen to her!

Although, I think I could get over my issues if Karen were to give me her Bura sword! It would soothe many of my anxieties. Help out an ailing fellow forumite would you?

However, if you choose to be uncaring and selfish, I guess I'll just have to keep suffering! Sigh...

:D ;) :D

By her own admission :rolleyes: Karen is a heartless, cold, selfish Bura sword owner.....she told me to tell you :rolleyes: :D It'll take some convincing to get that away from her.....but you can always bring your family and visit :D
 
I'm always amazed how much abuse a kid can take.
For that matter, people.


munk
 
:(

Thankfully, we have a chance to choose who we're going to be.

I guess that's what it means to be human.

John
 
Folks did stuff like that to their kids as a matter of course.

The enforcer in my family used belts, wooden paddles, and--the favorite--a rubber hose, about 1/2in thick and two feet long, on my bare skin. Welts were part of my life.

Turns out, she was battered as a kid. I suspect her abuser was also battered, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.

With my kids, I interrupted the cycle of beating. Some minor swats when they were little, then....

(dum-dum, dum-dum, dum-dum)

THE TRUST LECTURE

(dumdumdumdumdumdumdum....cymbal clash !!!!)

Got so the kids would beg "Please just spank us, NOT THE TRUST LECTURE."

My heart goes out to you folks who had the abuse, battering, degradation as part of your developmental years.

It takes courage to acknowledge such (even on a forum,) and great self-awareness of your demons to control passing on the behavior.

I am very proud to be a member of the Cantina.

Thank you.
 
Me too, glad to be here.

One of the things I'm most thankful 'bout, is that I didn't have children before I got a handle on my anger control issues. Before that, I did some things so nuts I don't even want to say them. Nuts.

*But we can change*, thank everything holy.

John
 
Kismet said:
(dum-dum, dum-dum, dum-dum)

THE TRUST LECTURE

(dumdumdumdumdumdumdum....cymbal clash !!!!)

Got so the kids would beg "Please just spank us, NOT THE TRUST LECTURE."



Thank you.


Would you be willing to share the thrust of the trust lecture? I have a little one and need some advice. Screaming likely won't work on her anymore than it did me, and I crack up everytime I try to give a guilt trip...
 
Spectre said:
:(

Thankfully, we have a chance to choose who we're going to be.

I guess that's what it means to be human.

John

Thanks, John. The reminder comes at a good time.


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Ad Astra
 
The trust lecture scarred for life. My dad was a particularly brilliant QA engineer. He would explain the illogic of people's actions to them and if they persisted in destructive behavior he wrote them off. I was written off.

Kind of hard for a 5 year old to figure out.


munk
 
Yeah. Richard A. Ranew, the longtime principal of the tiny Baptist school I spent 8 years in, would have me sit on this red chair in his office.

Johnny, are you saved? He would demand. Why do you do these things?

With the benefit of many years, I can now say, "because I was a *child* you twit- what's your excuse?" This is the same guy who belted me with a basketball in the back of the head when I was 11, because he thought I was saying something under my breath.
 
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