What mis-information scared you as a kid?

Nasty said:
When I was a kid, they used to have us do Atomic Bomb drills. They forced us to hide under our desks.

Even at that age, *I* knew the desk wasn't going to do crapola for me.

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Picture this: you're under your desk in a "duck and cover" drill in 3rd Grade. Suddenly, there is a LOUD boom and the ground shakes. You hear a strange sound and realize the teacher is wetting herself from fear.

Turns out a Marine aircraft from El Toro MCAF crashed in a bean field a couple of miles away with ordinance on board.

But at the time .................. :eek:
 
45-70?

Been a long time, but as memory serves, it went like this:

Kids sitting on couch, me in a chair facing them, leaning forward.

"Girls, you know how much I love you. No matter what happens, I will always love you. Good, bad, happy, sad--I'm going to love you.

"I'm also very proud that you are my kids. I got very lucky when you were born; you changed my life in the very best way possible. Sometimes I just smile at the thought of you, and the kind of people you are, and will be."


(looooooooooooonnnnggggg pause)

"So try to imagine how much it hurts me when I find out that you (insert transgression here). I still love you very much, but now I wonder if I can trust you.....etc."

The key is to go on and on about how fragile trust is, and how it has to be re-built each time it is broken.

Frankly, I think the effective element is the tedium of the lecture, and the deliberate pauses between the anguished loss of trust.

I have no idea of what worked. The kids are decent adults, with good social and personal values. From time to time, they will bring up the "trust lecture", laughing about it.

Another fun technique was the "socker-boppers," i.e., big, old, inflatable gloves--kind of like beach balls with an insert for a kid's hand. When the two kids would start tearing into each other (sisters!), I'd pull out and inflate the sets of socker boppers and have them whale upon each other--it was impossible to get hurt with them. Eventually, and perhaps inevitably, they would turn on me and pound the bejezus out of me, laughing so hard that whatever triggered the battle was forgotten, or abandoned.

I loved raising my daughters. Good, bad, happy, sad.
 
Yea, I was another one that never got a spanking from my old man, he beat the hell outta me instead. Mom was the one that administered spankings, that is until one day she told me she was going to spank me and I told her to go ahead because she never hurt me like daddy did. I never made *that* mistake again. She beat the livin sh*t outta me just like the old man and I never ever forgot it.

When I was 15-16 the worm turned. The old man made the mistake of slapping me again. He slapped me over a double bed when I was about 7 and we lived down in the valley in Texas. I crawled under the bed to get away from him and while I was there I swore an oath that only a child can swear and mean it. I swore, "You sonofabitch if you ever slap me again I'll kill you. You can beat me, whip me with the belt, a club, beat me with your fists or whatever but if you slap me again I'll kill you. And if I'm not big enough to kill you bare handed I'll wait until you are asleep and I'll get a butcher knife and cut your goddamned heart out after you go to bed and go to sleep."
Thankfully I was big enough when he did slap me again. The whole story is in the archieves somewhere along with several other stories that are worth reading more than mine.
I was so bent from being slapped by him that I couldn't stand a girl giving me love taps on the face, I'd slap 'em silly without realizing what I had done until I had done it.
Mom was trying to wake me up one morning before the final confrontation with the old man she gave me several little love slaps on the side of my face while I was asleep and I slapped her silly too.
It hurt her and it hurt her feelings too. I told her the story then. Mom was scared the night the old man slapped me again, scared sh*tless because she knew what I had in mind.
Had it not been for mom I would've killed the old man. The world would've been a better place from that day forth. Some people just need killin, he was one of them.
But I'm glad mom was there and stopped me. I have enough damned baggage without having to carry that around as well.:rolleyes: :grumpy:

I'm proud to say the circle of abuse was broken by me as well. I was hell on my kids when they were little but then I realized what was happening and I quit it.
I'm really proud my kids didn't beat their kids and that their kids don't beat their kids.
Gentle spankings when they are little is permitted but then talk and removal of priviliges works from then on. along with the Trust Lecture. :D
 
Once I got a manual on nuclear weapons I understood the practicality of "duck and cover". It turns out that the lethal range of direct gamma and neutron radiation from most nuclear weapons is not nearly as far as the blast and ultra-violet flash range. What really surprised me is just how far out you are at risk from second degree flash burns from an H-bomb. For a 1 megaton H-bomb the 5 psi blast overpressure range (which would demolish your school) is around 4 miles while the distance where you can get second-degree flash burns is more like 12 miles. When you look at the areas encompassed by those radiuses (pi*r-squared) you see that you are 10 times as likely to be in the critical flash area as in the critical blast area. With a 10MT bomb you can get second-degree flash burns out to well over 20 miles while the 5psi overpressure distance is more like 8.

When you duck and cover you are most immediately just getting out of line-of-sight from the flash. The flash has two components, a quick first brief flash from the bomb itself and a longer flash from the fireball. If you can get out of sight before the second flash reaches its maximum you only get about 20% of the full exposure. For a 1MT bomb that is 1 second and for a 10MT bomb that is around 3 seconds. If you get out of line-of-sight in under 2X those time you still cut your exposure in half.

So what the real signal for a duck and cover was supposed to be was a flash, everybody heads for the floor and gets some protection from the light. They get under their desks before the shock wave arrives and projects broken glass and causes plaster to fall off the ceiling.

You have hours to evacuate if you are down wind in the path of fallout. A lot of fallout can just be washed off. Fallout follows the wind and you are at much less danger if you are up-wind.
 
A lot of places in Orange Co Calif had air-raid type Civil Defense sirens. They looked like telephone poles but of course had a box on top containing the sirens, and the CD insignia on the pole. They used to run them once a month.
I remember the under the desk drill well.

I still can't think of an answer to the question of the thread though.

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Can't remember childhood, but this scares me now......Something to think about when you pay your taxes. Where's it all going to come from????

An Article from the paper entitled, Mexicans come to Arizona for Medical Care


Antonio Valenzuela Gomez, a retired factory worker who boasts 49 grandchildren, lifts his shirt to show the giant scar where American doctors cut into his chest a year ago.


Gomez, 79, was at his house in the dusty Mexican border town of Naco near here when his heart began to fail. There is no hospital in that part of Mexico, so family members loaded Gomez in a car and drove him a short distance to the U.S. checkpoint.

An ambulance arrived from the Arizona side and rushed Gomez 7 miles to Copper Queen Community Hospital here. Emergency room workers stabilized him and sent him 80 miles north to Tucson Medical Center, where heart surgery was performed.

Gomez, who spent three weeks in U.S. hospitals, thinks the bill was about $20,000 - likely a fraction of the actual cost. He offers gratitude along with small monthly payments that will never cover the expense. "They saved my life," he says. "They treated me well."

Along the border from Chula Vista, Calif., to Brownsville, Texas, U.S. hospitals serve as a medical safety net for undocumented immigrants and residents of northern Mexico. Each year, their care costs American medical centers, consumers and taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars. During 2002, 38 Arizona medical centers surveyed by the Arizona Hospital and Healthcare Association reported losses on foreign-national patients of $153 million.

After years of pressure from the health care industry, the federal government last week announced a plan to repay hospitals across the USA for up to 30% of the unpaid bills they rack up for such patients from now through 2008. The payback could total $1 billion. Arizona hospitals stand to receive $45 million a year.

Hospitals are required by law to treat all emergency patients, regardless of nationality or legal status.

Jim Dickson, chief executive officer at Copper Queen hospital, says he is happy to care for anyone who is sick or injured. But about 15% of his patients are poor Mexican nationals, and financial losses have been excruciating for a little hospital in Bisbee (population 6,000).

Deficits force layoffs

"We had super-deficits the last two years," says Dickson, who solved his budget crisis by laying off about 35 of the hospital's 130 employees and eliminating medical services such as the long-term care center. "This has had a very negative impact on our hospital."

Arizona has been particularly burdened since the mid-1990s, when U.S. border crackdowns in Texas and California began funneling illegal immigrants and drug smugglers to the state's 350-mile border with Mexico. Last year, Arizona accounted for 52% of the 1.1 million illegals captured by Border Patrol agents in the Southwest.

Arizona's 5.7 million population includes an estimated 500,000 undocumented immigrants. The nationwide total is about 11 million, the Pew Hispanic Center estimates.

University Medical Center, a non-profit hospital in Tucson, will spend an estimated $12 million this year on unreimbursed emergency care for foreign nationals, hospital president Greg Pivirotto says. "It's a drain that hurts your ability to render care."

Because UMC has the only trauma center near the southern Arizona border, it treats severely injured patients who require expensive care. The hospital counted about 5,000 emergency patients in April, including 100 foreigners.

"It's a fairly small percentage, but it's a huge cost," Pivirotto says.

Hospitals use international collection companies to pursue payments. Some patients such as Gomez pay as much as they can. But most costs go uncollected.

Although public attention has focused on unpaid medical care for illegal immigrants, Pivirotto says four-fifths of the foreign nationals in his hospital entered the USA with legitimate paperwork - visas, 72-hour passes or "compassionate entry" permits granted in medical emergencies.

Few facilities in Mexico

The percentage is likely higher at places like Copper Queen hospital, located in this hillside mining town. To the south, Naco overflows with would-be immigrants, smugglers and others clogged at the border. Dickson, the hospital administrator, says Naco's true population is triple the official count of 7,500. Four Border Patrol agents guarded the border here a decade ago. Today, there are 550.

But Naco still has no hospital, and local clinics lack radiology labs, emergency rooms and basic equipment.

"Even the federale who gets shot, he comes here," Dickson says. "The mayor, el presidente, will tell you that they count on us for care, because we're their local hospital."

Francisco Murrieta, an aide to Naco Mayor Vicente Torres, confirms that townsfolk rely on the Bisbee hospital when serious injuries or illnesses strike.

"If somebody has a big medical need, they want the best attention," he says.

Dickson says he sympathizes with his southern neighbors and tries to help by contributing medical gear to Naco's health clinics.

"I smuggled a defibrillator across the border in an ambulance because they had no way of measuring your heart," he says. "We gave them an ambulance because they were transporting patients in the backs of cars."

Dickson says some pregnant women from Naco used to cross the border after going into labor, obtaining the best medical care plus citizenship for a newborn child.

That's no longer a problem because financial losses forced Copper Queen to close its maternity ward
 
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