What Model should I call this Buck?

Salvaging some ruined materials and all the while honing his knifemaking skills, thus improving those skills and making himself a more valuable employee.....and all on his own lunch hour.

Some here would malign this hero of the workplace.....shame on them.

:D
 
Not really sure why the taking of materials, producing a knife and taking it home, WITHOUT approval from one's supervisor would be considered appropriate or even condoned; I am relatively certain that the taking of this product was not approved by Suprvisory/Managment personnel at Buck. Beyond the misappropriation of the material (often times material that is not suitable for one pordcut can be used for a different product), there are some issues as to when the knife would have been made. If it was made during work hours, this is in effect stealing form the company; if it was made during lunch break, there is the minor issue of Federal and State Labor Laws requiring lunch periods that could wreak some havoc for a company.

As for whether or not Buck is a good employer, I guess they are an OK place to work; I have only been with them for 34 years while waiting for somehting better to come along. While my current position is somewhat different than building knives on a daily basis, it was not always that way; many of the jobs I performed no longer even exist (hand hollow grind, glueing wood inlays to 110 brass, hand chamfering, etc); as such, I have a pretty good idea of what the production work is like and the manner in which production personnel are treated. Buck has even been known to give (free of charge) items, including an occasional knife, to employees who have been courteous enough to ask.
Bill Keys
Director, Lean Manufacturing and Engineering
Buck Knives
 
I guess the good news is that he is not in Post Falls....Thankfully it was not a 112 that was 'worked' on....
 
Bill Keys said:
As for whether or not Buck is a good employer, I guess they are an OK place to work; I have only been with them for 34 years while waiting for somehting better to come along. Bill Keys
Director, Lean Manufacturing and Engineering
Buck Knives
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Bill,
Your comments are a testiment to why me and I'm guessing a whole bunch of others are lifetime members of the BCCI. I've owned Buck knives most of my adult life (a long time) and the reasons go beyond the fact that they make a great product.
Thanks for the comments,
Mike
 
Bill Keys said:
Not really sure why the taking of materials, producing a knife and taking it home, WITHOUT approval from one's supervisor would be considered appropriate or even condoned; I am relatively certain that the taking of this product was not approved by Supervisory/Management personnel at Buck. Beyond the misappropriation of the material (often times material that is not suitable for one product can be used for a different product), there are some issues as to when the knife would have been made. If it was made during work hours, this is in effect stealing form the company; if it was made during lunch break, there is the minor issue of Federal and State Labor Laws requiring lunch periods that could wreak some havoc for a company.

As for whether or not Buck is a good employer, I guess they are an OK place to work; I have only been with them for 34 years while waiting for something better to come along. While my current position is somewhat different than building knives on a daily basis, it was not always that way; many of the jobs I performed no longer even exist (hand hollow grind, glueing wood inlays to 110 brass, hand chamfering, etc); as such, I have a pretty good idea of what the production work is like and the manner in which production personnel are treated.
Buck has even been known to give (free of charge) items, including an occasional knife, to employees who have been courteous enough to ask.
Bill Keys
Director, Lean Manufacturing and Engineering
Buck Knives
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well ...sounds good to me...
wow Bill ya kinda sorta should come on in more often...
we do like to hear from all you buckaroos..
and that way the guys get to know ya better!
last fellow there in the offices ( Dave V. ) to jump in
that they did not know to well
they wanted to tar and feather!
 
Bill Keys said:
Not really sure why the taking of materials, producing a knife and taking it home, WITHOUT approval from one's supervisor would be considered appropriate or even condoned; I am relatively certain that the taking of this product was not approved by Suprvisory/Managment personnel at Buck. Beyond the misappropriation of the material (often times material that is not suitable for one pordcut can be used for a different product), there are some issues as to when the knife would have been made. If it was made during work hours, this is in effect stealing form the company; if it was made during lunch break, there is the minor issue of Federal and State Labor Laws requiring lunch periods that could wreak some havoc for a company.

As for whether or not Buck is a good employer, I guess they are an OK place to work; I have only been with them for 34 years while waiting for somehting better to come along. While my current position is somewhat different than building knives on a daily basis, it was not always that way; many of the jobs I performed no longer even exist (hand hollow grind, glueing wood inlays to 110 brass, hand chamfering, etc); as such, I have a pretty good idea of what the production work is like and the manner in which production personnel are treated. Buck has even been known to give (free of charge) items, including an occasional knife, to employees who have been courteous enough to ask.
Bill Keys
Director, Lean Manufacturing and Engineering
Buck Knives
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I'm giving this clearly biased opinion all the credibility it deserves.

:D
 
Rocinante said:
I'm giving this clearly biased opinion all the credibility it deserves.
:D
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yes rosey,
we can understand 34 years of time and experience with a company (Buck Knives) don't set well or mean much to a girl with your experience in life and social circles...:confused:
 
334dave said:
yes rosey,
we can understand 34 years of time and experience with a company (Buck Knives) don't set well or mean much to a girl with your experience in life and social circles...:confused: (confused)
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Roc says:

I agree that you're confused.

Try the cheer-leading on those people who relocated from California to Idaho and were then laid off.

What I said was you can't expect an unbiased opinion from management, thus they lack credibility.

That's a fact, so don't be confused.

;)
 
Rocinante said:
Roc says:

I agree that you're confused.

Try the cheer-leading on those people who relocated from California to Idaho and were then laid off.

What I said was you can't expect an unbiased opinion from management, thus they lack credibility.

That's a fact, so don't be confused.
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Two points:
(1) There were actually employees that moved up from El Cajon and were recently laid off at the BCCI event that had nothing but glowing comments about Buck.

(2) Just because you say its a fact doesn't make it one. 34 years with the company, not all in management, should convey a level of credibility. But of course that is only my opinion. Let theose that read your and my comments draw their own conclusions.
 
There were actually employees that moved up from El Cajon and were recently laid off at the BCCI event that had nothing but glowing comments about Buck.
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Roc says:

Yes, they damn well better rush to lick the boots if they want to have any hope of getting called back. If they dared to complain their chances would be pretty slim. The post from one of them on here sure disappeared fast even though it was more hurt, sad and confused than a complaint.

As far as getting anything but a glowing report from somebody still with the company at a management level, that's a laugh--you ain't gonna hear the truth unless they're feeling self-destructive.

Fact is, anybody who is still with the company, management or labor, is going to give a glowing report because they don't want to be included in the next layoff.

Cheerleaders and bootlickers make me puke.

Buck is still making SOME excellent knives despite the general disorganization that seems to plague the company. Is it a wonderful place to work? Doubtful. The dealings that I've had lately seem to indicate that people are being pushed to produce a lot and they're making mistakes.

Where (or when) will it end? Depends on if they can get a handle on their problems and fix them. If they are becoming more open to input from the outside--they just might be moving in the right direction. Right now they seem to be headed for tango uniform.
 
wow rosey ... some officer chase you away from your corner again ?
Rosey said:
As far as getting anything but a glowing report from somebody still with the company at a management level, that's a laugh--you ain't gonna hear the truth unless they're feeling self-destructive.
Fact is, anybody who is still with the company, management or labor, is going to give a glowing report because they don't want to be included in the next layoff.
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you ever been in a room were real business is discussed.. buck would not have made it this long with people that only tell the king his new clothes look good ..
Rosey said:
R says:If they dared to complain their chances would be pretty slim....Yes, they damn well better rush to lick the boots if they want to have any hope of getting called back
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you say this with such force of conviction that it has the sound of experience behind it.
besides very few people can keep a job on their hands and knees..
(or have you been able to ?)
Rosey said:
R says:Cheerleaders and bootlickers make me puke.
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strange, you would tell workers [you say you are for] to do some thing that you say makes you gag and hurl
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R says:
The post from one of them on here sure disappeared fast even though it was more hurt, sad and confused than a complaint.
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yep she was.. i talked to her in post falls.. it was a personal email several of us got and not for public display which is why it was pulled
Rosey said:
R says:Buck is still making SOME excellent knives despite the general disorganization that seems to plague the company. Is it a wonderful place to work? Doubtful. The dealings that I've had lately seem to indicate that people are being pushed to produce a lot and they're making mistakes.
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i have talked with operators and repairman (past and present) as a fellow repairman... i would work there..
accidents happen and things break when you make any thing..
and every one worry's about keeping a job and is working hard to make sales better ...
even CJ and Chuck ...
i like every one i have ever talked to at buck ... many i call friends .... dont you speak up for friends?
Rocinante.. some times you sound as if you need to learn about business other then on the street..
you should not speak of keeping a job if your head is lower to the ground then your buttocks doing so ..

 
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nothing but that around the first of the year you might be able to get a custom 119 ;)
 
Rocinante, I don't know where your vehement dislike of Buck's corporate structure comes from, neither do I understand why you paint Buck employees as a bunch of mindless psychophants [sic]. What is worse, is that I think you are starting to believe your own press.

My dealings with Buck, tell me that your dog just won't hunt. Disgruntled employees don't deal with people in the pleasant and courteous manner that I have been treated with. In fact, I'll offer an anecdote.

A couple of months ago, I ordered a Custom 110. While waiting for the order, I ran into a bit of a financial emergency and I asked Pete Mason if I could cancel the order. Pete said there would be no problem and canceled the order. Now, I know fully well that he didn't have to do that. A couple of months later, I re-ordered the same knife and in my first email with Pete, he obviously remembered my past problem and inquired as to my well being. Does that sound like the action of a disgruntled employee? I think not. Due to the actions of a single employee (Pete Mason), Buck has made a dedicated customer for life.

Rocinante, I don't know if you are playing 'Devil's Advocate', consummate Socialist, or are just a troll, but I do know this, if lies and mis-truths are the lubricant of social intercourse, it is easy to understand why your opinions slip by me so easily.
 
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I think you mean "sycophants."

"Psychophants," as you call them, makes them sound like they're nuts. They're not nuts, just trying to keep a job. I didn't call them "mindless" either......it's smart to try to keep your job.

Sadly, being (or acting like) a sycophant is the only way to hold a job in many of today's corporate structures. I've seen enough here on this forum to know that Buck is a very autocratic, authoritarian, top-down type of culture. Statements like, "Chuck doesn't like the idea so it will never happen," are revealing.

People do not flourish and grow in such a culture, and while it may work for a while, it's not the best long-term paradigm. Tango Uniform is a real possibility.

There are still fine knives being made. There are also a lot of mistakes being made, and the fact that they seem fine with fixing an endless chain of mistakes does not impress me......the "Forever Warranty" is ok for some things, but my time is valuable and I should not have to spend it on numerous phone calls and e-mails to try to get simple matters straightened out......and I should not have to send mistakes back to be corrected at my own expense for postage.

Yes, there are serious problems at Buck. No, the attacks of the sycophantic cheerleaders do not bother me.....nor do I believe their tales of a blissful workplace.
 
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