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What non knife people think of our hobby
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I was just getting ready to say that. I think a lot of people that are non-knife people think anyone that likes and collects so many "deadly looking" knives , believe we'd want to stab/slash them with little reason. So, there's that aspect of our hobby that's lacking in collecting harmless items.
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Sad, but true.
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Passive aggressive behavior tendency perhaps.....
Indeed. In the last week we have had threads from people perturbed about what knives other people collect:
perturbed about what knives they collect:
perturbed about what knives they carry:
and now perturbed about what other people think about the knives they carry/collect.
I didn't know being a knife fan was supposed to involve so much existential angst! Here I have been just enjoying using, looking at, and talking about knives!
I guess, once again, I've been doing it wrong.
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Considering his post was on topic, that's a bit over the top.
This is a discussion board where the written word is king. The Original Post of this thread had only a title and a nearly 30 minute video with no added context or opinion from the OP. How is one to know that he just wanted to share a funny video instead of discussing "What non knife people think of our hobby", like the title of the thread (in General Knife Discussion) proposed?
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It's a forum people will think what ever they want. It's fine.
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Exactly, marcinek is always making snotty comments to people. Most people just ignore him, though.
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This is not Whine and Cheese. Marcinek's comment was a valid answer to the OP. Both of yours are not. Take this as a warning with no points. Next warning will be with points.
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likewise.
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Yup. Never been a fan of just posting videos directing traffic to other websites making them money, especially in the review section.
That said, it is an interesting topic. I've got a few buddies who enjoy seeing the knife I'm carrying. Granted, they carry or use knives regularly as well, far more economical knives mind you. But in general, l don't give a hoot what other people think about what I collect. I think some of the things other people collect are silly but I understand why they do it. Just like any hobby if you are into it and you enjoy it who really cares.
Idiots who think of knives only as weapons are just that. I pay them no attention. The knives they own are by far more used in criminal activity than whatever I've got in my pocket for the day. Cheap kitchen knives in the drawers of ever house are used for murder way more than my crk or zt or spyderco or whatever. People who can't understand these basic facts aren't worth my consideration anyway.
Nobody carries knives where i live so everyone think i'm weird.
Some people do understand that it's a hobby and can see the beauty in a good knife.
Can you even carry knives in the UK?
I feel you on the 'oh great price for this .... '
Like the kizers you can get for half the price with coupons. 90-115$ in the US, 230-300$ in the EU for the same knife.
Some people do understand that it's a hobby and can see the beauty in a good knife.
Can you even carry knives in the UK?
I feel you on the 'oh great price for this .... '
Like the kizers you can get for half the price with coupons. 90-115$ in the US, 230-300$ in the EU for the same knife.
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Even non-knife people can see the beauty in a good knife since just about everyone uses a knife to one degree or another. I've even commented in steak restaurants on their knives looking pretty good. Folks won't necessarily know it's a "good knife" however as it is mostly based on appearance.
Good knives drag up the overall quality of the lower priced knives as well, just like with cars and the accessories. Years ago an FM radio was an add-on, then people gradually didn't want anything else (AM-FM) and then tape players, CD players and so forth came onto the scene and have become standard versus an option.
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I couldn't watch the video. Just couldn't get into it. I've been a knife person I guess since I was a kid. Got my first around 8yrs old. My grandfather and uncle were/are outdoorsman, and grew up especially my grandfather in a time everyone carried a knife. Not so much for protection, but for everything from sharpening a pencil to cleaning a dear. I skinned my first rabbit at 8yrs old with an old US army SAK like pocket blade. Then eventually I got a Buck 110 around my 10th birthday. I was taught how to clean and sharpen at a young age. Not my siblings. My brother how ever is now a chef and he now understands what quality steel and knives are. As for non knife people. They see a 3" folder and say "that's a big knife" when we know that's average. I would say the more dependent people are on this infrastructure, technology, and other modern conveniences they loose the knowledge and need to use what may now be somewhat outdated technology, and techniques. My point is how many 8 year olds are hunting,fishing, and cleaning they're catch? I think if we as a society had a daily need for a personal knife the understanding of why you have a knife would not be of question as it wasn't for generations past. I just wish the general public could see what quality cutlery is and see it's a dieing artform. I personally collect handmade, and not necessarily expensive. I collect knives with some sort of historical, or cultural significance. Such as the svord pesant, opinel, sodbuster, buck110, Mercator, or blades from places like Solingen,sakia, and Sheffield. Anyways I think if the general public had some knowledge and some more experience actually using and caring for a knife the world would be better
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RE: What non knife people think of our hobby
What does it matter?
I suppose only as much as the old saying "keep your friends close, and your enemies closer".
Reminds me of the time I was filling my SUV (20' jetsled in tow on waterfowling trip) at interstate gas station. Lady driving a Prius comes up to me and asks why I need to drive a vehicle that holds so much gas? (I started filling before she did and she finished before I finished).
I thought for a second on the question, and the potential level of ignorance of this woman before replying. I felt she was really making her own statement (to my face no doubt) that she believed my choice of life-style (hobby that puts food on my families table, vehicle I drive, etc.) was wrong. She had no clue that she was looking at a hunting platform and tow rig.
It is at times so hard to respond to ignorant people. I say ignorant to describe them as less knowledgeable (not necessarily stupid as in can not be educated). The problem is when ignorant people attempt to educate others their viewpoint on others life and/or choices or any time more knowledgeable folk attempt to educate ignorant people who don't really care.
My reply to her, "I would say to haul a hunting platform, dogs, and necessary guns. Would you like me to show you?" Her face pruned up, she turned and quickly walked back to her Prius and drove away (and without thanking me for taking the time to answer her ignorant question ... and considerate offer to help her to understand).
180 back to my initial reply "What does it matter?".
To me, only so much that I minimally stay in touch with the ignorant perspectives so as not to become blind-sided. Kinda the same reasons I enjoy discussions/debates on firearms, knives, tools/weapons, politics, etc. (always with a focus to learn what I can), and to remember not to attempt to educate ignorant people who don't ask themselves out of honest curiosity.
Reading this thread ..., an interesting question floats in my mind ... what do tool people (those that use hand tools to make a living based on life-cycle cost) think of "knife people"?
Please understand, the thoughts and comments made here reflect a person who remembers "breaks" on a jobsite as times I was allowed to sharpen/touch-up and set teeth on personal hand saws and circular saw blades (predating carbide tipped teeth). A "break" was an opportunity to make work easier and trade-craft results better by creating sharper (better) tools and maintaining them as needed. I also understand the collectability factor, but most significantly when it applies to tool performance potential, (ergonomics, versatility, etc.).
What does it matter?
I suppose only as much as the old saying "keep your friends close, and your enemies closer".
Reminds me of the time I was filling my SUV (20' jetsled in tow on waterfowling trip) at interstate gas station. Lady driving a Prius comes up to me and asks why I need to drive a vehicle that holds so much gas? (I started filling before she did and she finished before I finished).
I thought for a second on the question, and the potential level of ignorance of this woman before replying. I felt she was really making her own statement (to my face no doubt) that she believed my choice of life-style (hobby that puts food on my families table, vehicle I drive, etc.) was wrong. She had no clue that she was looking at a hunting platform and tow rig.
It is at times so hard to respond to ignorant people. I say ignorant to describe them as less knowledgeable (not necessarily stupid as in can not be educated). The problem is when ignorant people attempt to educate others their viewpoint on others life and/or choices or any time more knowledgeable folk attempt to educate ignorant people who don't really care.
My reply to her, "I would say to haul a hunting platform, dogs, and necessary guns. Would you like me to show you?" Her face pruned up, she turned and quickly walked back to her Prius and drove away (and without thanking me for taking the time to answer her ignorant question ... and considerate offer to help her to understand).
180 back to my initial reply "What does it matter?".
To me, only so much that I minimally stay in touch with the ignorant perspectives so as not to become blind-sided. Kinda the same reasons I enjoy discussions/debates on firearms, knives, tools/weapons, politics, etc. (always with a focus to learn what I can), and to remember not to attempt to educate ignorant people who don't ask themselves out of honest curiosity.
Reading this thread ..., an interesting question floats in my mind ... what do tool people (those that use hand tools to make a living based on life-cycle cost) think of "knife people"?
Please understand, the thoughts and comments made here reflect a person who remembers "breaks" on a jobsite as times I was allowed to sharpen/touch-up and set teeth on personal hand saws and circular saw blades (predating carbide tipped teeth). A "break" was an opportunity to make work easier and trade-craft results better by creating sharper (better) tools and maintaining them as needed. I also understand the collectability factor, but most significantly when it applies to tool performance potential, (ergonomics, versatility, etc.).
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Spey, I am one of those people who work with there hands every day, and have been for the past 18yrs. I currently run a farm. Me and my two hands always have a fixed blade and a SAK. The time of sharpening hand saws is long gone. I can tell you when I get new guys usually 20somethings they've never picked up a shovel or have had a job to make them sweat. The ones who do bring a knife usually bring some half serrated wana be Rambo folder that can't cut butter. I'd imagine it's the cheap steal or the lack the ability and or tools to sharpen. Me and my farm hands as a general rule 1095 is minimal requirement the NewGuys think there cool I guess and when they see us work with them want one but don't want to spend $$$ not that 1-120 is a lot. They end up with some 440 thing for $20 and ruin it pretty quick or a Ka-Bar knock off that's to big for the farm or the kids handling them Makes me wonder what kinda job there parents have. I had to get rid of this kid that wouldn't shut up about getting wet from sweat and how much it sucked
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So, that video was actually an interesting watch (start to finish).
The results were a far-gone-conclusion though, with an assumption she would pull the Chef's knife in the background at some point (Chef's knife with thinner flat-ground geometry = Winner Winner Chicken Dinner). I think the Opinel had the best chance (SB next) of his collection due to thin geometry (trouble is handle & fingers get in the way of the blade making contact with cutting board). Understandable the Lil' Nilakka (with its thin .12" thick FFG blade) did well (except blade too small for the task plus finger get in way minimizing further blade contact with cutting surface). Nice to see some of the "slicer grinds" were noticed to be slightly better (cut deeper before splitting the carrot). Kinda dumb in my mind to use carrots as a cutting medium as every knife in his collection failed to slice all the way through the carrot (duh). A metal food scraper would have performed equal or better than a number of those knives. Overall a very poor result, if the goal is to get significant other on your side of knife collecting :-/ Interestingly, she did light-up on a couple of the knives features.
SkrufKnifer,
I hear you, and agree with your sentiments. Fed the horses b4 & after school each day, and mucking the stalls was just part of the day. Late afternoons were spent in the woods "playing" with sharp things, cutting, chopping, hauling stacking firewood, etc. Have had many trade employees throughout the decades since. I had a pass/fail test for all carpenters (sharpen a carpenters pencil while I watch). Hmmm ..., you don't have a pencil and/or a knife then borrow mine for now ... Few passed the test first time, but watching how someone attempts to perform a task tells a lot about them their experience and knowledge and where they fit on the pay-scale to start.
My comments related to sharpening your tools was mostly about providing AND caring for your tools on your time (if you could not provide and maintain your own tools, well lets just say don't come back after spending that first payroll draw). It was expected that you care for your tools on your own time. It was unwritten, but assumed that the guy with the best knowledge & tools was the lead, and got paid accordingly.
"Sweating" on the job ... shoulda told that kid it releases pheromones that attract women ;-) and/or that working smarter reduces sweating. I remember one guy, when he saw the boss drive up he'd splash water on himself then asphalt dust (re-roofing crew). Good example of loosing ALL respect for a man. A couple weeks tear-off crew on a asphalt pitch bitumen roof will teach a boy about work and sweat. Farm-work ..., much the same mucho hard but gratifying work.
Another question I would be curious of, how many "knife people" sharpen their own ...?
The results were a far-gone-conclusion though, with an assumption she would pull the Chef's knife in the background at some point (Chef's knife with thinner flat-ground geometry = Winner Winner Chicken Dinner). I think the Opinel had the best chance (SB next) of his collection due to thin geometry (trouble is handle & fingers get in the way of the blade making contact with cutting board). Understandable the Lil' Nilakka (with its thin .12" thick FFG blade) did well (except blade too small for the task plus finger get in way minimizing further blade contact with cutting surface). Nice to see some of the "slicer grinds" were noticed to be slightly better (cut deeper before splitting the carrot). Kinda dumb in my mind to use carrots as a cutting medium as every knife in his collection failed to slice all the way through the carrot (duh). A metal food scraper would have performed equal or better than a number of those knives. Overall a very poor result, if the goal is to get significant other on your side of knife collecting :-/ Interestingly, she did light-up on a couple of the knives features.
SkrufKnifer,
I hear you, and agree with your sentiments. Fed the horses b4 & after school each day, and mucking the stalls was just part of the day. Late afternoons were spent in the woods "playing" with sharp things, cutting, chopping, hauling stacking firewood, etc. Have had many trade employees throughout the decades since. I had a pass/fail test for all carpenters (sharpen a carpenters pencil while I watch). Hmmm ..., you don't have a pencil and/or a knife then borrow mine for now ... Few passed the test first time, but watching how someone attempts to perform a task tells a lot about them their experience and knowledge and where they fit on the pay-scale to start.
My comments related to sharpening your tools was mostly about providing AND caring for your tools on your time (if you could not provide and maintain your own tools, well lets just say don't come back after spending that first payroll draw). It was expected that you care for your tools on your own time. It was unwritten, but assumed that the guy with the best knowledge & tools was the lead, and got paid accordingly.
"Sweating" on the job ... shoulda told that kid it releases pheromones that attract women ;-) and/or that working smarter reduces sweating. I remember one guy, when he saw the boss drive up he'd splash water on himself then asphalt dust (re-roofing crew). Good example of loosing ALL respect for a man. A couple weeks tear-off crew on a asphalt pitch bitumen roof will teach a boy about work and sweat. Farm-work ..., much the same mucho hard but gratifying work.
Another question I would be curious of, how many "knife people" sharpen their own ...?
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Non knife people think I'm a lunatic; especially when they learn that I make knives.
I don't particularly care.
These are the same people who open packages with their car keys.
I don't particularly care.
These are the same people who open packages with their car keys.
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When it comes up in conversation almost all guys think its cool that I make knives and want to check out my work.
The women are a completely different story. Roughly 3 out of 5 women will ask verbatim "do you kill people with them?" The remaining women usually think its cool and ask me about the process and if I do it as a hobby or as a business.
The women are a completely different story. Roughly 3 out of 5 women will ask verbatim "do you kill people with them?" The remaining women usually think its cool and ask me about the process and if I do it as a hobby or as a business.
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Spey,
I would like to assume that all knife people sharpen there own. It would be like a mechanic who dosnt wipe all the grime of his wrench and check for cracks before it goes back in the drawer. I'm with you on the taking care of your tools. Ugh I loose so many shovels and bypass loppers to these kids. They leave them laying all over. Then when it's time to prune or dig.... I now make them supply there own, I got guys digging with there hands because after loosing or breaking company shovels and not wanting to buy there own. I make them do it by hand. Only way to teach them. WTF do there parents teach them? I've been supplying my owns tools/equipment since age 15 when I could actually get a job. That is what is lost. The responsibility for ones self and equipment. Think about it. We don't need a knife like the generations before. Everything is already done for you. We live in a world of conveniences. Seems the belief is some one else should do the work for me.
I would like to assume that all knife people sharpen there own. It would be like a mechanic who dosnt wipe all the grime of his wrench and check for cracks before it goes back in the drawer. I'm with you on the taking care of your tools. Ugh I loose so many shovels and bypass loppers to these kids. They leave them laying all over. Then when it's time to prune or dig.... I now make them supply there own, I got guys digging with there hands because after loosing or breaking company shovels and not wanting to buy there own. I make them do it by hand. Only way to teach them. WTF do there parents teach them? I've been supplying my owns tools/equipment since age 15 when I could actually get a job. That is what is lost. The responsibility for ones self and equipment. Think about it. We don't need a knife like the generations before. Everything is already done for you. We live in a world of conveniences. Seems the belief is some one else should do the work for me.