what should a busse knive get from this kind of abusing ?

[Bigfattyt]

That wouldn't be considered abuse? That's some warranty!

Not by Busse. Some crazy dudes working there!

I would expect Infi at similar grind angle and edge thickness to do better. Less chipping, more rolling. Infi will still take edge damage though. Normally you don't see as much edge tear out, or chipping.


Infi is not magical. It is simply a great steel for taking abuse.

I feel confident (from watching various videos) that A Busse knife would suffer a lot less from that kind of abuse.

However, I'm not really certain if it would still be hair shaving sharp.

Trust me, Infi would not be shaving sharp after that. Like I said, it is not magic.

 

[bigretic]

Rumor has it that Chuck Norris used a BM to shave his beard off.If that's not a testimony to the toughness of a Busse,I don't know what to tell you.

 

[dingy]

I've hammed a Team Gemini tip first through some 10 gauge mild style sheet, and hammered my NMFBM into similar angle iron with a 2 lb steel hammer for a baton. There was no edge damage to either, though I did smack the scales on the TG with the hammer and messed them up a bit. Needless to say, Jerry sold some knives to the guys on my crew at work that day
I'll dig up the pics if you're interested

cool , i really like that.

 

[Meier66]

dingy, do you own any Busse knives? If yes, then it will be interesting to see you perform the same abuse test to INFI steel and compare the amount of chipping vs rolling of the edge.

 

[resinguy]

Here is the old thread, but the pics are gone. http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/469596-INFI-and-S7-versus-my-old-bedframe

The OP, thombrogan, has not posted here in a long time, so he is not likely to see this thread. Maybe you should send him an email, and he could come back here and comment, or dig up the old pics.

 

[dingy]

Oh, they'll be dull. But dull is far, far better than broken or severely damaged

i like tough steel , man.

sounds cooool.

i do have few busse knives , but i Reluctant to do this thing , cause the cost behind it.

 

[phkk]

9CR18MOV is chinese steel

 

[BOSS1]

I've never subjected a knife to this kind of abuse, so I can't speak from experience...but as others have indicated, INFI would probably fare better.

For me, this kind of abuse constitutes an 'We're all gonna die' type situation--the plane/boat/car is sinking/on fire, etc. or similar and we need to get out, like NOW. At such a point, I'm not really going to give much of a flying dooky what my edge looks like if I live to tell about it. Tho if the blade does save my life it goes without saying, it will be treasured forever...

BOSS

 

[dingy]

I've never subjected a knife to this kind of abuse, so I can't speak from experience...but as others have indicated, INFI would probably fare better.

For me, this kind of abuse constitutes an 'We're all gonna die' type situation--the plane/boat/car is sinking/on fire, etc. or similar and we need to get out, like NOW. At such a point, I'm not really going to give much of a flying dooky what my edge looks like if I live to tell about it. Tho if the blade does save my life it goes without saying, it will be treasured forever...

BOSS

what i did is a way to check the stablity and toughness of an edge.

this knife is not tough , but it is not a bad one. cause i have been using it many times , that from my expriences it cuts well enough for normal job.

i am a fanboy of tough steel , never change , man, that little knife is not an ideal toy for me.

 

[Solstice]

Ummmm.....why?

Was this just a "for fun" thing? I get it if it was.....but I'm hoping someone wouldn't actually use their knife for something like this. I mean, yeah if your life depended on it?....sure but other than that, get the right tool for the right job.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[Joshua J.]

This is pretty much just a test of edge geometry, I wouldn't bother roughing up a Busse just to see what happens since we already know what happens.
If the edge geometry on the Busse is similar to the first knife, it will perform similarly. If its edge is thicker, it will do better. Really all you'll be doing is removing a bunch of steel off the knife to set up the edge for cutting steel (which is a legitimate job that many tools must perform, e.g. bolt cutters), and then once you want to cut something else you'll want to adjust the geometry again (bolt cutters perform very poorly in the kitchen, or at making fuzz sticks, or chopping into wood).
If you want to test shock resistance go baton some logs for a campfire, that will put very little wear on the knife, but is well known to destroy knives that aren't designed to handle shock.

 

[dingy]

Ummmm.....why?

Was this just a "for fun" thing? I get it if it was.....but I'm hoping someone wouldn't actually use their knife for something like this. I mean, yeah if your life depended on it?....sure but other than that, get the right tool for the right job.

Just my 2 cents.

how did you know "the right tool" without a test ?
intentionally destory one thing can get some knowage that does not get from normal use.

after what did i get that this knife is not tough for some "tough use" and the steel is not tough enough for some heavy compacting work.

not just for fun , man, but really interesting , this is an Entertainment for me , cause the cost is not too high , i can pay for it.

cool. uh?

 

[dingy]

This is pretty much just a test of edge geometry, I wouldn't bother roughing up a Busse just to see what happens since we already know what happens.
If the edge geometry on the Busse is similar to the first knife, it will perform similarly. If its edge is thicker, it will do better. Really all you'll be doing is removing a bunch of steel off the knife to set up the edge for cutting steel (which is a legitimate job that many tools must perform, e.g. bolt cutters), and then once you want to cut something else you'll want to adjust the geometry again (bolt cutters perform very poorly in the kitchen, or at making fuzz sticks, or chopping into wood).
If you want to test shock resistance go baton some logs for a campfire, that will put very little wear on the knife, but is well known to destroy knives that aren't designed to handle shock.

that is nothing you have mentioned geometry , look at the wounds that all the way down from tip to guard , it tears out Seriously ,cause from repeating impact, and that is a classical sign of stainless steel wounds , man. i had chopping throgh a one inch iron tube , with cold steel gi tanto that made of 1055 carbon steel , and do not get big chipping like this . and the edge angle on gi tanto is very very thin.

 

[Tyrade83]

I've hammed a Team Gemini tip first through some 10 gauge mild style sheet, and hammered my NMFBM into similar angle iron with a 2 lb steel hammer for a baton. There was no edge damage to either, though I did smack the scales on the TG with the hammer and messed them up a bit. Needless to say, Jerry sold some knives to the guys on my crew at work that day
I'll dig up the pics if you're interested

I dug up the pics, they're not great, but you can see what happened to the edge of the NMFBM from being hammered into 3/16" thick mild steel.

The marks on the edge aren't damage, it's actually some mild steel smeared onto the edge of the Mistress

And here is the tip of the Gemini and the steel it went through. I think I've posted these before, but I can't recall where

Here is the butt of the TG with the hammer marks (which only removed the coating, didn't mark up the steel at all, and the damage to the scale

Why did I do this to my knives? Well, one, because they're my knives and I'll do what I want to them, and two, some of the guys at work who were asking what makes a Busse worth the price, didn't believe me that a knife could do that and NOT break, or even significantly blunt the edge, or damage the tip. So I showed them what a Busse can take. Now, I should point out that I don't do this to all my knives, these are the only two that have seen any steel, but knowing firsthand that they can take whatever I do to them, is kind of comforting.

 

[dingy]

I dug up the pics, they're not great, but you can see what happened to the edge of the NMFBM from being hammered into 3/16" thick mild steel.

The marks on the edge aren't damage, it's actually some mild steel smeared onto the edge of the Mistress

And here is the tip of the Gemini and the steel it went through. I think I've posted these before, but I can't recall where

Here is the butt of the TG with the hammer marks (which only removed the coating, didn't mark up the steel at all, and the damage to the scale

Why did I do this to my knives? Well, one, because they're my knives and I'll do what I want to them, and two, some of the guys at work who were asking what makes a Busse worth the price, didn't believe me that a knife could do that and NOT break, or even significantly blunt the edge, or damage the tip. So I showed them what a Busse can take. Now, I should point out that I don't do this to all my knives, these are the only two that have seen any steel, but knowing firsthand that they can take whatever I do to them, is kind of comforting.

amazing!

 

[leatherman]

Why did I do this to my knives? Well, one, because they're my knives and I'll do what I want to them

Wise words.

 

[kdstrick]

^^^^^^^^ I can't criticize a man for taking a knife to it's limits. In fact, I am thankful that others do this so I do not have to do it to my own knives. It is good to know the limits of your tools in a "just in case" scenario. I don't plan on ever chopping through anything but wood... but it's nice to know my knife can bash through brick, stone and metal if need be.


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[NeverMore1701]

I dug up the pics, they're not great, but you can see what happened to the edge of the NMFBM from being hammered into 3/16" thick mild steel.

The marks on the edge aren't damage, it's actually some mild steel smeared onto the edge of the Mistress

And here is the tip of the Gemini and the steel it went through. I think I've posted these before, but I can't recall where

Here is the butt of the TG with the hammer marks (which only removed the coating, didn't mark up the steel at all, and the damage to the scale

Why did I do this to my knives? Well, one, because they're my knives and I'll do what I want to them, and two, some of the guys at work who were asking what makes a Busse worth the price, didn't believe me that a knife could do that and NOT break, or even significantly blunt the edge, or damage the tip. So I showed them what a Busse can take. Now, I should point out that I don't do this to all my knives, these are the only two that have seen any steel, but knowing firsthand that they can take whatever I do to them, is kind of comforting.

Not something I would do to my knives, but very impressive!

 

[dingy]

the way i did that chopping with bare hand is more hammful to the edge and more easliy prone to make chippings , cause the forces of chopping is uneven and unsteady , do you guys think so ?

 

[lobo9er]

Honestly I wouldn't say the OP's knife failed in any way. The knife wasn't any kind of super steel and yet he tried to hammer it through mild steel and it didnt break.