What the heck? Does Cold Steel not own a ruler?

jbmonkey said:
Every brand over and under estimates their blade lengths. In fairness though depends on where you measure. Plenty to pick on cold steel over, but singling them out on this is just silly.
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It ain't singling them out if he bought a bunch of their knives and noticed a trend...which it seems is the case.
Obviously isn't a "hater" either, judging by the number of their products he bought.

In my thread about the Tracker, I mentioned that it seemed TOPS has neither a ruler nor a scale; their weight and length measurements given were amazingly off, like saying it was 2 inches shorter than it was, and 7 ounces heavier than in reality.

This is supposed to be a place people can get information about knives, and this thread provides some.
I don't care overly about exact lengths, but I very well might if I lived somewhere where they had blade length limits.
 
NJBillK said:
How about yourself?
This is a bit like the pot calling the kettle black, eh? If I had to, I would go so far as to say the OP has offered more to the conversation.
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And how would you describe your post if not ....calling the kettle black, eh ? Oh...never mind....does nj mean New Jersey? If so....now I understand perfectly. LOL
 
But does the exact length really matter when you have to spinewhack someone to death in a "tactical" situation and all other manufacturers' 4" blades would break their lock?
 
They said "4 inches"? Well, technically speaking, when reporting measurements you round the number up or down to the closest significant digit.

If it only has one significant digit (4") then you round it up or down to the nearest inch.

Just sayin'
 
AKTI has the answer:

"AKTI recommends that measurements should be expressed in inches and l/8″ increments. Attempts to determine measurements to a degree of accuracy greater than l/8″ are considered impractical."

IOW, measuring to the nearest 1/8th inch is practical.

jbmonkey said:
Every brand over and under estimates their blade lengths.
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No, they don't.

jbmonkey said:
In fairness though depends on where you measure.
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No, it doesn't. See the diagram above, it's from this link:
http://www.akti.org/resources/akti-protocol-for-measuring-knife-blade-length/
 
stabman said:
It ain't singling them out if he bought a bunch of their knives and noticed a trend...which it seems is the case.
Obviously isn't a "hater" either, judging by the number of their products he bought.

In my thread about the Tracker, I mentioned that it seemed TOPS has neither a ruler nor a scale; their weight and length measurements given were amazingly off, like saying it was 2 inches shorter than it was, and 7 ounces heavier than in reality.

This is supposed to be a place people can get information about knives, and this thread provides some.
I don't care overly about exact lengths, but I very well might if I lived somewhere where they had blade length limits.
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You just made my point. Every brand does this. Maybe and it's a big maybe...Tops like cold steel doesnt make their knives right? Only designs them. So maybe they arent adjusting their measurements from design to actual?

I live in a mostly (compared to your country for sure) free state for owning all knives and carrying and using...... so length isnt an issue for me from a legal stand point. So ill admit im spoiled and dont have to deal with that type govt nonsense. Course i cant imagine 4" would be legal and 4.1" etc wouldnt....but then again politicians arent known for their commonsense by any means. Getting off topic for talking about owning a ruler or not. back on topic....


now maybe cold steel does own a ruler but it doesnt have mm or cm only inches and they haven't figured out how to convert from the taiwan measurements where their folders are made?:)
 
sparky2016 said:
AKTI has the answer:

"AKTI recommends that measurements should be expressed in inches and l/8″ increments. Attempts to determine measurements to a degree of accuracy greater than l/8″ are considered impractical."

IOW, measuring to the nearest 1/8th inch is practical.

No, they don't.

No, it doesn't. See the diagram above, it's from this link:
http://www.akti.org/resources/akti-protocol-for-measuring-knife-blade-length/
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Atki is a political lobbyist for the industry among other things but their diagram isn't the end all be all of measurements. Quoted from your link.... "Manufacturers, makers and other entities engaged in the commerce of knives are encouraged to utilize the standard in product descriptions and advertising."

Key word is encouraged...not an absolute. So no im not wrong. Same goes for all makers over and under. This is why there is tolerances. No maker is absolute perfect. I get you see it different than I do, so be it.
 
Randalls are all .1" shorter than advertised: 7.4" instead of 7.5 etc... For the price a bit miffing...

What is worse is that they are also much thinner in stock than advertised, from 1/4" to 3/16" is typical for Model 18s and 14s. Even the Model 12 is 0.22", not the claimed 0.25" (of course it is 8.9" instead of 9"). The tangs are always full thickness. Not sure forging excuses everything, as they do get the 12s closer than the 14s, and they are all supposed to be the same 0.25"...

I resent this because this loss of mass seriously affects chopping comfort: My Model 14 is the worst chopper I have ever experienced in this size range. A thicker blade would have been noticeably better given the limited blade length. Full blade length and full thickness would certainly be a very noticeable difference in actual chopping performance...

Gaston
 
ichor said:
And how would you describe your post if not ....calling the kettle black, eh ? Oh...never mind....does nj mean New Jersey? If so....now I understand perfectly. LOL
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Don't think you do understand, bud...
I never called the OP out about his post being inane, while (ironically) making a post that added Nothing to the conversation...

Plus, my first post was (somewhat) on topic, much more so than my last two (this one included), versus every one of your posts in this thread. Due to that, I will refrain from pointing out the ironic posts that seem to fly over your head (after this).

This is how it worked:
-OP made a statement with photographic evidence to frame his questions. Whether they are trivial concerns is not for me to judge, I am not better than he.
-You thought his post was pointless and unwarranted, hence your alluding to his post being out of boredom, and not very worthy of discussion. (Your original post being:
Is this all you have to do?)
-Your judging of him and his post with that question states that you think that he is wasting his, yours, and the rest of our collective time, all while adding nothing constructive to the conversation.
-Which leads me to believe that you think you are above the OP and myself.
-The previous statement is evidenced by your trying (and failing) to use my pot/kettle reference against me and making an assumption/judging me due to my location.
What that is supposed to mean, I will never know.
-Thank you and please do not try again.

- Mods/OP sorry about that, I will be refraining from pointing out his failures in understanding how a conversation works from here on out. If you would like for me to remove this, I will do so.

I will reread this thread and see what I can add to it, on topic of course.
 
I am curious how often this happens and had resulted in someone having a knife confiscated or worse got in legal trouble for just assuming that the knife manufacturers info was correct when they have a stated knife blade length?

If I lived in an area where a 2.5" blade was deemed legal and I purchased a knife based upon the Manu saying it was a 2.5" blade and trusted them about it, I might end up getting into some trouble out of ignorance and trust...

One would like to think that a company would want to represent their product accurately. If for no other reason but to aid in an informed customer decision, as opposed to just sayng it is a larger blade for the sake of an ad and an impression left.

I personally would be more impressed with an accurate measurement than a guess/lie. Variances among the same brand/different models speaks to it not being accurate out of ignorance or lies.
 
Leftytwogunz said:
Size does not matter. Lock strength is the ONLY useful measure in folding knives.

After measuring, did you strap them into some sort of weighted cable device and prove their superiority over every other knife brand?
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Lol .
 
NJBillK said:
Don't think you do understand, bud...
I never called the OP out about his post being inane, while (ironically) making a post that added Nothing to the conversation...

Plus, my first post was (somewhat) on topic, much more so than my last two (this one included), versus every one of your posts in this thread. Due to that, I will refrain from pointing out the ironic posts that seem to fly over your head (after this).

This is how it worked:
-OP made a statement with photographic evidence to frame his questions. Whether they are trivial concerns is not for me to judge, I am not better than he.
-You thought his post was pointless and unwarranted, hence your alluding to his post being out of boredom, and not very worthy of discussion. (Your original post being:
Is this all you have to do?)
-Your judging of him and his post with that question states that you think that he is wasting his, yours, and the rest of our collective time, all while adding nothing constructive to the conversation.
-Which leads me to believe that you think you are above the OP and myself.
-The previous statement is evidenced by your trying (and failing) to use my pot/kettle reference against me and making an assumption/judging me due to my location.
What that is supposed to mean, I will never know.
-Thank you and please do not try again.

- Mods/OP sorry about that, I will be refraining from pointing out his failures in understanding how a conversation works from here on out. If you would like for me to remove this, I will do so.

I will reread this thread and see what I can add to it, on topic of course.
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Oh wow......guess you destroyed me. You are so smart. I won't even attempt a come back. LOL
 
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