What the hell can you carry in England? nail clippers?

Gadgetman7 said:
Having said that, I hope knife companies step up and counter some of the negative publicity but they just seem to want to lay low and hope it goes away.
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+1 on that.

Knife companies have the resources and the organization to advertise, use public relations firms and lobbyists, etc..

If they keep "laying low" as you say, the government will encroach further and further and soon we here in the US will all be carrying UK Pen Knives
or SAKs
 
There's nothing wrong with a UKPK!

;)

Sal Glesser , perhaps the most forward thinking US production knifemaker, believes he has seen the writing on the wall for the US, as your knife laws follow the approach taken in much of the rest of the world. It's coming to you guys, whether you like it or not, I'm afraid.

That's why he and Spyderco are expending a huge amount of time, effort and money in exploring and developing slipjoint designs which allow modern folding knives to be both appealing and extremely functional.

Danzo
 
Lawmandan said:
There's nothing wrong with a UKPK!

;)

Sal Glesser , perhaps the most forward thinking US production knifemaker, believes he has seen the writing on the wall for the US, as your knife laws follow the approach taken in much of the rest of the world. It's coming to you guys, whether you like it or not, I'm afraid.

That's why he and Spyderco are expending a huge amount of time, effort and money in exploring and developing slipjoint designs which allow modern folding knives to be both appealing and extremely functional.

Danzo
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What is coming to us? the feces-for-brains idiocy that is the UK? You can keep it.
 
It may be coming but we don't have to like it. This country was built on changing what we don't like ... which is why you is you and we is US. :)
 
Folks, I'm not here for a fight, and I know that this issue scares many of you. You are right to be scared, because it's happening to you every day. Your laws are changing. You know that.

The simple truth is that your lawmakers ARE moving your laws closer to those in Europe. More and more restrictions are being placed on knife carry all over the USA.

I really wish it wasn't happening to you, but it is, and you'd be daft to ignore it.

A knifemaker with his eye on the future such as Sal Glesser is taking the changes in legal attitude as a given, and is looking towards the future by developing more and more slipjoint knives.

That's the future, like it or not.

Danzo
 
Lawmandan said:
A knifemaker with his eye on the future such as Sal Glesser is taking the changes in legal attitude as a given, and is looking towards the future by developing more and more slipjoint knives.

That's the future, like it or not.

Danzo
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Well yes; you fight for your rights while having a plan in case things don't go the way you want.
 
stabman said:
Well yes; you fight for your rights while having a plan in case things don't go the way you want.
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Exactly. Mr Glesser recognises this, perhaps because he travels to the UK and to Europe and talks to us about these things.

Danzo
 
In my experience many Police in England will search at will, and lets be honest, who it going to reprimand them over not following procedure to the letter?.
It's unlikely to happen to you except in the usual circumstance and larger City's, however it sometimes will be carried out if you are foolish and aggravate them or simply don't dress in a manner that instils respectability.

One strange fact is that the same laws which allow the Police to arm themselves with batons and offensive sprays can also apply to regular citizens. It is a forgotten exemption in the civilian arena, although some are pushing for widespread acknowledgement ("unsuccessfully").

Just remember you are a suspect, not a upstanding citizen. That's the moral of the story in England.
 
I've just been reading that three judges in Texas have decided that assisted opening knives are to be considered the same as automatics and therefore illegal.

In Texas?

Texas?

Assisted opening knives are still legal here in the UK.

Danzo
 
Ah!, but will Texans silently put up with it?, and will it be allowed to continue?.

PS: An assisted opener will generally get you arrested on the pretext it is a switchblade in the U.K. I believe there have been no test cases to date regarding them either.

One point, from regarding photos it appeared the weapon used in the recent Oxford street murder may have been a AO?. I could be entirely wrong, but there didn't appear to be any visible button and the press were naming it as a "flick knife".
 
Lawmandan said:
There's nothing wrong with a UKPK!

;)

Sal Glesser , perhaps the most forward thinking US production knifemaker, believes he has seen the writing on the wall for the US, as your knife laws follow the approach taken in much of the rest of the world. It's coming to you guys, whether you like it or not, I'm afraid.

That's why he and Spyderco are expending a huge amount of time, effort and money in exploring and developing slipjoint designs which allow modern folding knives to be both appealing and extremely functional.

Danzo
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If the UK will soon have metal detectors in the streets and in the London subway, carrying even a SAK won't be worth the trouble. Why bother explaining to the police every day that your slipjoint is a legal knife? And how many of them will know that it's a legal knife? How many slipjoint knives will be confiscated anyway, especially from young people? Who will be willing to put up with this kind of harassment, to be treated like a criminal every day for carrying a slipjoint?

Your government doesn't really want you to carry slipjoint knives. It doesn't want you to carry any knives.

If there's anything positive about this it's that after there's a total knife ban in the UK and your teenage thugs start killing people with sharp pieces of wood, plastic, glass, etc. maybe the British people will realize that objects are not responsible for criminal behavior.
 
If we were subjects of the state like the people of the UK, then our freedom would not only be gone, but never have existed. This country was designed to prevent tyranny of the sort perpetrated in the UK.
 
Objects are not responsible for criminal behavior.

Wow. That could be the basis of a whole new legal code. :D
Now if we could only reduce it to words of one or no more than two syllables ...
 
One strange fact is that the same laws which allow the Police to arm themselves with batons and offensive sprays can also apply to regular citizens. It is a forgotten exemption in the civilian arena, although some are pushing for widespread acknowledgement ("unsuccessfully").
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Not strictly true. If the police spray me, it's "Hahaha, naughty miscreant"; if I spray the police back -even with the same spray that they've just done me with and dropped afterwards- it's a firearms offence. Criminal blah, DNA blah, fingerprint blah and a serious potential amount of time inside.
 
moiety said:
Not strictly true. If the police spray me, it's "Hahaha, naughty miscreant"; if I spray the police back -even with the same spray that they've just done me with and dropped afterwards- it's a firearms offence. Criminal blah, DNA blah, fingerprint blah and a serious potential amount of time inside.
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Obviously you couldn't carry mace or pepper spray given their classification as illegal firearms, but that doesn't mean you couldn't carry other objects.
Word for word I couldn't post the actual wording of the law/exemption but it does genuinely exist, despite it's complete disregard except in the case of Police.

I'll locate the wording and post it on the forum soon, it will no doubt interest some members. Several of the campaigners for further recognition of it have websites too.
 
Maybe it will change in the US but I carry a Glock every day. How many civilians in the UK can say that. The US has its own culture and may not follow Europe. Especially if we fight it. Don't forget we have the NRA. We can fight and win.
 
I think it was yesterday I read in the New York Times Washington DC police are setting up check points (for cars), not particularly for knives, and stopping people and asking why there going into a particular area, if they don't have a good reason they're not allowed in.
 
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