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Actually I will come out of keyboard isolation to address this issue.
However, if you are not going to actualy read this post for the purpose of truely finding out why I said what I said, don't read it at all. I have no time for those who lack reading comprehension skills. As for wannabe keyboard commandos go back to your PSII and your blow-up date, and leave the forums to the grown-ups.
First, the statement was not made about SK. They actually were not even on my mind when I wrote the post. That is the forth time I have said that. If you don't get it by now you were either dropped on your head as a child or just want to stir up ****. Either way my time is too important to waste on you. If you really get into the field of knifemaking you will understand that there are dozens and dozens of companies that fit what I listed.
Next, Why did I make the post? It was made as a follow up to another maker who mentioned that etching was being used by some makers so that they would not have to "finish" the blade. Or, that they did not want to take the time to finish one properly.
Why did I say it was sad? Well, because it is. There are alot of new makers who see a "tactical" knife and say, hey I can do that. So they go out and get a grinder, a blasting cab, and a drill press and start making that style. They never bother to learn about knifemaking. They are using blasting and wrapping as a short cut. These are the same types of makers that are in it solely for money and quality be damned. Quite frankly SK does NOT fit this bill.
Why the term quick and dirty? Because that is what it is referred to as! Short and simple! Is it a bad thing, no. Almost every maker I know uses a quick and dirty production method at one point or another. I use it on knives that I want to get to market at a lower price. These are meant as work knives and the target market is the factory knife buyer. It simply means that all the bells and whistles are left off. No dovetailed bolsters, no filework, no hand rubbed finish, normally micarta or G10 slabs, kydex sheath. I don't blast, but I do use a belt finish. If I invested in a blast cab, I most likely would blast. I do it, my buddy Rinaldi does it, heck even Herndon does it. It does not reduce the performance of a knife, it only allows you to sell it for a lower cost. So if you feel that it is a knock against SK then it must also be a knock against Trace. Not bloody likely, he knows where I live and is alot bigger than I am
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As to my questioning if they were knifemakers. Thats called mussing out loud. You have to understand a few simple facts. Just because you make a knife does not make you a knifemaker! A knifemaker is a special breed of psycopath who enjoys great deals of pain. It takes years and years of hard work to truely understand what you are doing and why. If you are just coping a design, you are not a knifemaker. I am a knifemaker, and it has taken years for me to reach this level. Am I a bladesmith? NO. Am I offended if someone points out that I am not a bladesmith. NO, I understand the limits to my own knowledge. Too many of what you may consider knifemakers these days are simply machine operators. They have almost no knowledge of heat treating, they don't understand blade geometry. And they stare blankly at the mention of carbide matrix structures. They simply continue to make the same part that they have made over and over again. Hey after all if it sells it must be good right!:barf:
As to not liking that I spoke out against my "peers", grow up! Good grief, if I got pissed everytime another maker took shots at my work I would always be angry. I have a little secret to let you in on, KNIFEMAKERS ARE HUMAN! We have likes and dislikes, we love some and hate others. Yep thats right we are just like YOU! I have had friends come into my shop and say "no your doing it all wrong it should be like this" if I don't agree we fuss a little and go about our business. No big deal. If you guys think what I did was unbelievable sit in on a Guild meeting sometime. Those guys are in there cussing each other out. Not to mention the ugly event where some makers were handing out fliers that said not to by from X makers because they used laser cutting. I eat, drink, bath and sleep knives. They are my whole being, not like so many here on the forums to whom it is a hobby. Knives are my life. I have been deep into knives for over 18 years and I have been making them for 12. When you are as involved as I have been you will learn a thing or two about the world of knife making. It is a ugly business. This industry makes Wall Street look like a sand lot. There is back bitting, design stealing, accusations, fraud and lots of other nasty things that go on. Take for example a purveyer, there are a few who are always trying to get new makers to sign exclusive contracts. After the new maker signs on the dotted line, this purveyer will go to all the knife mags and forums and start talking about how great this new maker is. Once the pot is stirred up enough and demand is now raging for this makers work, you find out that his knives are only availible through the purveyer who started all the fuss. If this was the stock market, that would be a crime. But yet it happens all the time. So for you to get all bent out of shape over my bitching about makers cutting corners is just plain silly.
And why as a maker should I not be allowed to voice my thoughts. I am a knife buyer just like everyone else. At last accounting my collection was somewhere between 30K and 35K depending on the market. Right here on BF I see post after post of guys bitching about companies. Some guys around here throw insults around just for fun. Nobody jumps on them. But OH, I am a maker so I am not allowed to have an opinion. You have got to be kidding!
And no, this response does not mean that I have changed my mind about leaving the forums. I can either spend my time in the shop making money or here on the computor giving my hard earned knowledge to a bunch of spoiled brats who would just as soon spit in my face. Gee tough choice
Sorry to those who are here to really talk knives, the few bad spoil the whole bunch.
However, if you are not going to actualy read this post for the purpose of truely finding out why I said what I said, don't read it at all. I have no time for those who lack reading comprehension skills. As for wannabe keyboard commandos go back to your PSII and your blow-up date, and leave the forums to the grown-ups.
First, the statement was not made about SK. They actually were not even on my mind when I wrote the post. That is the forth time I have said that. If you don't get it by now you were either dropped on your head as a child or just want to stir up ****. Either way my time is too important to waste on you. If you really get into the field of knifemaking you will understand that there are dozens and dozens of companies that fit what I listed.
Next, Why did I make the post? It was made as a follow up to another maker who mentioned that etching was being used by some makers so that they would not have to "finish" the blade. Or, that they did not want to take the time to finish one properly.
Why did I say it was sad? Well, because it is. There are alot of new makers who see a "tactical" knife and say, hey I can do that. So they go out and get a grinder, a blasting cab, and a drill press and start making that style. They never bother to learn about knifemaking. They are using blasting and wrapping as a short cut. These are the same types of makers that are in it solely for money and quality be damned. Quite frankly SK does NOT fit this bill.
Why the term quick and dirty? Because that is what it is referred to as! Short and simple! Is it a bad thing, no. Almost every maker I know uses a quick and dirty production method at one point or another. I use it on knives that I want to get to market at a lower price. These are meant as work knives and the target market is the factory knife buyer. It simply means that all the bells and whistles are left off. No dovetailed bolsters, no filework, no hand rubbed finish, normally micarta or G10 slabs, kydex sheath. I don't blast, but I do use a belt finish. If I invested in a blast cab, I most likely would blast. I do it, my buddy Rinaldi does it, heck even Herndon does it. It does not reduce the performance of a knife, it only allows you to sell it for a lower cost. So if you feel that it is a knock against SK then it must also be a knock against Trace. Not bloody likely, he knows where I live and is alot bigger than I am
.As to my questioning if they were knifemakers. Thats called mussing out loud. You have to understand a few simple facts. Just because you make a knife does not make you a knifemaker! A knifemaker is a special breed of psycopath who enjoys great deals of pain. It takes years and years of hard work to truely understand what you are doing and why. If you are just coping a design, you are not a knifemaker. I am a knifemaker, and it has taken years for me to reach this level. Am I a bladesmith? NO. Am I offended if someone points out that I am not a bladesmith. NO, I understand the limits to my own knowledge. Too many of what you may consider knifemakers these days are simply machine operators. They have almost no knowledge of heat treating, they don't understand blade geometry. And they stare blankly at the mention of carbide matrix structures. They simply continue to make the same part that they have made over and over again. Hey after all if it sells it must be good right!:barf:
As to not liking that I spoke out against my "peers", grow up! Good grief, if I got pissed everytime another maker took shots at my work I would always be angry. I have a little secret to let you in on, KNIFEMAKERS ARE HUMAN! We have likes and dislikes, we love some and hate others. Yep thats right we are just like YOU! I have had friends come into my shop and say "no your doing it all wrong it should be like this" if I don't agree we fuss a little and go about our business. No big deal. If you guys think what I did was unbelievable sit in on a Guild meeting sometime. Those guys are in there cussing each other out. Not to mention the ugly event where some makers were handing out fliers that said not to by from X makers because they used laser cutting. I eat, drink, bath and sleep knives. They are my whole being, not like so many here on the forums to whom it is a hobby. Knives are my life. I have been deep into knives for over 18 years and I have been making them for 12. When you are as involved as I have been you will learn a thing or two about the world of knife making. It is a ugly business. This industry makes Wall Street look like a sand lot. There is back bitting, design stealing, accusations, fraud and lots of other nasty things that go on. Take for example a purveyer, there are a few who are always trying to get new makers to sign exclusive contracts. After the new maker signs on the dotted line, this purveyer will go to all the knife mags and forums and start talking about how great this new maker is. Once the pot is stirred up enough and demand is now raging for this makers work, you find out that his knives are only availible through the purveyer who started all the fuss. If this was the stock market, that would be a crime. But yet it happens all the time. So for you to get all bent out of shape over my bitching about makers cutting corners is just plain silly.
And why as a maker should I not be allowed to voice my thoughts. I am a knife buyer just like everyone else. At last accounting my collection was somewhere between 30K and 35K depending on the market. Right here on BF I see post after post of guys bitching about companies. Some guys around here throw insults around just for fun. Nobody jumps on them. But OH, I am a maker so I am not allowed to have an opinion. You have got to be kidding!
And no, this response does not mean that I have changed my mind about leaving the forums. I can either spend my time in the shop making money or here on the computor giving my hard earned knowledge to a bunch of spoiled brats who would just as soon spit in my face. Gee tough choice
Sorry to those who are here to really talk knives, the few bad spoil the whole bunch.
