What to carry it all in? Packs, Vests, LBE, other???

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Good Day,

So what do you put your gear in/on when you head for the hills?

There are packs, vests, shoulder bags, LBE, what else?

What do you feel the advantages and disadvantages of each style of carry are?

What were the issues that helped you choose your current outdoor gear container?

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Marion David Poff aka Eye, Cd'A ID, USA mdpoff@hotmail.com

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Hi Marion,

I almost always carry a "reporters" vest of the 1001 pockets sort
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stuffed with Survival stuff
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While in the US I bought an SRU21/p aircrew survival vest that came with ten loose pockets and a shoulder holster.
After two evenings of sewing and some blood spilling from the needlework
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I now have a nice vest that carries a lot and is extremely friendly to wear.
The only problem is my wife absolutely refuses to be near me when I wear it which can be a major bummer but for some men could be nice
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To be more civilized I'm currently eyeing a Fjallraven daypack a courier kind of bag that goes diagonally over your shoulder and has larger pockets in the back and 3 pockets in front made of G1000 fabric and closely wearing to your body with 4 gallon of pack space it could be nice.
By the way in Holland it's called Fjallraven Cashew.

Cheers,

Bagheera

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Dana Design Astralplane Overkill
This is a very large internal frame pack. I got it because I wanted one pack that I could use for everything from overnighters to an extended trip (like I'll ever find time to go on one).
Dana's are possibly the toughest and most comfortable packs made. They have several different pack, strap, and belt sizes that allow you to custom fit the pack.
I think that these are the best packs on the market, but they do have a steep price tag ($485 retail for the Astralplane OK). Mine has been accessorised with a CamelBak Pakteen, and a Dana DryRib/WetRib-can't remember which it is called at the moment,which has an included water bottle and enough room to hold binoculars, camera, and some snacks
Actually more pack than I need, but if you try one you'll buy one. www.danadesign.com
 
I used to carry everything in a Blackhawk 3-Day assault pack. It's awesome - nice size, bulletproof, built-in hydration bladder pocket,straps galore, etc. I recently switched it out because I thought it looked too "military" and "tactical". I now use either my Mountainsmith or Osprey pack. They, too, are well-built and durable, and also have all the features the Blackhawks do, but they have a look that is more what I call "people friendly" - these are popular brands with hikers other outdoor enthusiasts.
 
What do you guys think of this? http://www.thearmynavy.com/301438-retail.html

I don't have one, but I'll be getting one soon. I currently have a Blackhawk Omega vest which has been my 1st line gear carrier, but I have recently retired it and a Blackhawk DOAV vest has taken its place. But for the money, I think this South African assault vest is the cat's meow, and mucho wallup for the wampum ($65). Even if you already have a vest, this would make a great, cheap priced backup, made to military standards, and designed to hold quite a lot of gear for a vest! The downside for some people, in some situations, would be the 'threatening' military look. But hey, how are you going to avoid that and still be able to carry this much gear on your body? If you're looking for something you can wear to work, this wouldn't be it.

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-- October 26, 1994, Newcastle Reporter January 1995, New Mexico Stockman
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X-Head, thanks for the link to that vest. I'm impressed! Good price, too.

I have a large internal frame pack from Wilderness Experience but it's more suited to backpacking. Lots of room, though, and low key.

bill
 
I have a Jansport "Rockies" internal frame pack that I bought on closeout from Campmor. This is my first internal frame pack and I'm still getting used to it. I still haven't decided if I prefer external frames over internal. I'm still trying to find the optimal way to pack this thing to distribute the weight comfortably.

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Mike Melone

"Praise be to the LORD my Rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle. " Psalm 144:1
"One loves to possess arms, though they hope never to have occasion for them." Thomas Jefferson
 
I've used several different cary methods depending on gear carried, and time of year.

We keep a large ALICE in the truck along with a cold weather bag and a smaller day pack in the car (72 hr). I've just ordered a Black Hawk Phoenex pack from Geri at Geared-Up! The Phoenex will be going with me to the UAE as my BOB/Duty gear bag.

Here is a link to the "survival" items that will be carried in the bag http://pub7.ezboard.com/fplainsmanscabinthebobandbov.showMessage?topicID=210.topic

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Hi,

Marion I bought the Fjallraven Cashew made of their G1000 fabric (coton+a little polyester and impregnated with wax).
It's a nice alternative to a reporters type of vest as it has almost 4 gallons of space but carries very "flat" it goes over your shoulder diagonally with the large (2) pockets at the back and 3 smaller up in front.
It uses hook and look to fasten the wide strap around the belly and extra 1" nylon webbing + push-click buckels to extra securly fasten it.
My poncho in the back still leaves 3/4 of space unused and I put my small transceiver (400-500 mhz) in the front pocket designed for a mobile phone.

When time permits I'll take some pictures and post them.

Cheers from Holland,

Bagheera

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My father taught my brother and I to go out in the woods with minimal equipment. At first I thought that this was because he wanted to teach us survival...I later found out that he just didn't want to have to carry our heavy packs, his pack, and MY MOTHER's stuff too!!! What a DAD!!!

Because of this however, I find that I can go three nights in early spring or late fall weather with merely a hefty day pack. To be totally honest, I currently use a Marboro Square shape pack. No frame, no balder, most likely not even 100% water proof.

I prefer to keep all the REAL important things on my person; fire and cutting stuff in big cargo pants pockets. I have had to ditch a pack once in a hurry to get help for an injured friend, wasn't fun. Good to know that I had the essentials in my pockets, AS WELL AS IN MY BAG!!! (I left my gear with him).

I have actually gone two nights in the woods of upstate NY with only enough gear for a one day hike stuffed into my old Jansport school bag! that was a rough weekend!

Take Care!
Steve in NYC

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I kinda look at this as you would layer clothing for colder weather. When out sight seeing or simple day hikes, I tend to wear my Orvis travel vest (first layer)...ya, I know it's a cotton vest with mesh lining, not ideal for survival, but it works well when around a lot of other people and not far from civilization.

I'm currently working on replacing my small fanny pack (second layer...currently carries Kimber Ultra Compact .45). I've found these can carry those bare essentials and are easy to keep on you at all times. My Camal Back is another to consider here, they don't look to odd, are easy to throw on for a bike ride or walk around the town.

For short hikes or overnighter's, I must agree with Jeff about the Becker Patrol Pack (last layer). Mine is OD, still has that military look, but my excuse is that I am in the military
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The number of quick access pockets, camal back compatible, divided interior and additional exterior add-on spots makes this a great short term BoB or for any day hikes. I thought at first it was a little small, but it's really easy to keep at hand and can be packed with all your short term essentials. Blackhawk Industries now has a larger version with about twice the cu inch capacity (RTO version)...a little to specialized (but again, I'am a commo dude
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) I think you need to start adding a frame when you start to go over 30-40 pounds.

For the hiking/camping trips, I'll go with my Mountainsmith (sheeple safe), or with my CFP-90. Both can carry more weight than I'm willing to hump, but both are also quite comfortable wear. The reason for these choices are that I grew up with the good'ol Coleman style external frames...and they alwasy snagged brush and never really secure enough for climbing rough trails. Both of these internal frames snug the body and can be cinched down to avoid that "floppy" feeling. The only real draw back is the lack of air flow which can cause you to get a little sweaty, but I think the pay-offs are worth it.

As a side note, water is always a top priority, and I like camal backs, but I also had one punctured once duing some mountain biking. I always carry a Nagalene water bottle or what I've really come to appreciate are the good'ol GI 1qt plastic canteens (with cover and cup). I usually have one on my Becker or CFP-90 pack.

I have found it quite important as DANGELO pointed out, always keep the basics on your person! My vest and fanny pack are always very easy to leave on and even forget at times. And, if you've set up camp, it's nice to do day hikes around the area without all the heavy stuff.

The South African vest is very interesting and I've been tempted. You could probably even fool the anti-mil types that it's a "South African Cross Country Running Outfit"...?
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Maybe I can use that one on my wife?

Dave




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You're correct Jeff, properly packaged, the BPP is one of the best packs to go with for minimal bulk and easily accessed compartments...one must just understand that this isn't a pack for the sleeping bag, tent, freeze dried meals/stove and extra polypro underwear
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However, for bare-essentials...one could survive for extended periods with a pack this size. I just know that after I stuffed all my normal stuff into the pack and then added my Gore Tex parka and a couple of MRE's, the inside was pretty packed. For an emergency "grab and go" bag, I have it with me daily (or at least in my truck/office), and yes it's built like a tank!

Dave
 
Marion, as one who's still wearing the original TA-50 LBE design at work (field), it's okay but there are much better designs available. While at Bragg, I used the LBV...much easier to carry and distribute the weight, but doesn't breath as well as the old LBE. I used it on numerous helo patrols in southern Ecuador and it was tolerable. If set up right, the LBV works much better with a backpack as well.
BTW, I must have 3-4 sets of LBE and I've never considered taking them hiking or camping. I remember my old 11B days and having to do IMT's (individual movement techniques), and I can't believe all the running, jumping and crawling with that stuff! I guess for a military surplus price, it would be a good deal, I've just worked with better designs which I think are more useable.

Dave
 
I have been using LBE with a butt pack (wish the butt pack was a bit bigger)for day hikes for about a year now when my son and i go out. The only problem that i have run into it is not designed to be used with my ALICE pack.When i go with the family i am unable to use it and just strap on my medium ALICE. There are better designs out there but i have had no problems with this set-up. Now if i could find a way to wear the waste belt attached to the pack and a belt underneath it for my knife....

Colt
 
I guess the part I like about the LBE is that I am reasonably assured that it will be on me through rough and tumble. And it seems to carry gear more comfortably if I want to move fast and stay mobile.

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Thank you,
Marion David Poff aka Eye, Cd'A ID, USA mdpoff@hotmail.com

Review of the World Survival Institute, Chris Janowsky survival knife, the Ranger.

Talonite Resource Page, nearly exhaustive!!

Fire Page, metal match sources and index of information.

"Many are blinded by name and reputation, few see the truth" Lao Tzu
 
Lbe's while are good for military and Tac ops they are a pain in the arse for the "normal" person. Unless you plan on being in a "war zone" vests are much more practical and efficent.

Ifin you want a "tactical" vest check out Black Hawk's web site then purchase your vest from Geri at geared-up.com. Black hawk make the best tactical gear money can buy.

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I've bought from Geri at Gearedup before. Her prices are competitive, but where she really shines is her customer service, which is the best I've ever experienced. I can confidently recommend her & her husband's co. without reservation. She is quick to respond to email and phone messages, and she knows her stuff. And yes, Blackhawk is one of the best, although Eagle and London Bridge Trading are up there too. My main gear carrier is currently a Blackhawk DOAV vest, and IT ROCKS. Yeah, it's pricey, but you get what you pay for. I just had to save up a while. Take a look.

http://www.geared-up.com/images/30DV00WC.jpg http://www.geared-up.com/images/doav.jpg


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"President Clinton learned there were 100,000 cattle guards in Colorado. Since Clinton was so upset with ranchers' protests over his grazing policies, he told U.S. Secretary of Interior Bruce Babbitt to fire half the cattle guards immediately. Before Babbitt could proceed with the President's wishes, Colorado representative Pat Schroeder intervened with a request that before any were fired, they would be given six months of retraining."
-- October 26, 1994, Newcastle Reporter January 1995, New Mexico Stockman
Magazine


[This message has been edited by X-Head (edited 09-14-2000).]
 
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