what type of axe did the frisians use (sorry for the repost)

Kevin Houtzager said:
In both cases: No doublt in my mind about it. I's practically never been used is it would seem. Only thing I cant judge is the hardness, but they are usually on the softer side. You can compare it to modrn day hardware store stuff i guess?
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ok i think i will buy n122 and make a handle out of ash from the lumber store, do you have any tips to resore a axe of this type because i have only restored a hatchet with the Delaware patten before and used a vinager bath on it
 
If it is this thing:
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Then it already looks clean to me. That is probably why it has that awesome "black" look with little active red/brown rust.

I probably would look at some of the photos here and that French site for what the edge/handle/and hang angle is likely to look like, file it sharp, carve out a nice handle, then hang it.

Vinegar takes away part of why that axe might be a keeper, unless you want it kind of grey - this is just my opinion and I would like to see what you do with it regardless of how you go about it. :thumbsup:

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Maybe swayed back
 
Agent_H said:
If it is this thing:
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Then it already looks clean to me. That is probably why it has that awesome "black" look with little active red/brown rust.

I probably would look at some of the photos here and that French site for what the edge/handle/and hang angle is likely to look like, file it sharp, carve out a nice handle, then hang it.

Vinegar takes away part of why that axe might be a keeper, unless you want it kind of grey - this is just my opinion and I would like to see what you do with it regardless of how you go about it. :thumbsup:

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Maybe swayed back
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Now that I think about it the black stuff probably makes it so I almost never rusts ! I wonder if when I sharpen it I will get that black body and shiny bit look you see on axes like granfors Bruks makes
 
Kevin Houtzager said:
the black stuff is rust passified. I see that a lot. It sort of vinegar bath but It's boiling. So the question is: How do You want to finish it? It's not about the wrong or right way, iets about the way You want it. Both are seen as normal, so its your choice.

As for the handle: Straight without a pommel or bent forwards without a pommel is the traditional way. So its the opposite way compared to the picture of Agent H. It,s mostly used for pruning. I believe there is in axe in the spanish axe topic of im so sharp who had the same kind of haft on it.

as for sharpening it: Just do it Ylike You would any other axe. That shoud be fine
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i want it to be like when it was made so i think i will keep it black i also read up on passive black rust and learned that is it really good at protecting the metal from red and brown rust, i will post a picture of what the shapend and hafted axe looks like in about a month when it gets to me from france
 
Sorry, i can't, this time, put words and pictures in the same post.

The axe above is an ardeneese axe from the Ardennes area, north-north-east of France, south-east of Belgium. Still produced in... Austria.

http://www.mueller-hammerwerk.at/en/forest-axe-a-0067.html

I got it yesterday, i don't know if it can be related to any Frisian or Dutch tradition but it wouldn't surprise me if it is, Ardennes is not that far from Nederland.

Dan.
 
Kevin Houtzager said:
Bwahahaah, didn't see that one coming! :D So there is a option to order one new? The Ardennes are relatively closeby from here. And I do know Mueller hammerwerk. I never would have know that they produce this type of axe in austria!? I can attest to the quality of that manufacturer though: I have a totally different axe from them from about 1850 that I still use!
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Hi Kevin the seller in France is charging 55 euros for shipping to Canada which I think is to much as on the Canadian post website it says shipping from France is 20 euros , so I might get the one that is made Austria or get one made by a blacksmith coustum ;edit checked the prices of the Austrian one and it is 89 eu without shipping so too much with shipping
 
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I wonder if Highland Woodworking would order one of those in. They distribute Mueller. Stubai used to have a long list of forestry tools available. They looked very similar to the Mueller stuff. I always wondered if the 2 companies worked together.
 
Kevin Houtzager said:
Hmmm, thats steep: Shipping would normally cost about €25,-- euro if it's under 2kg (4,5 pounds). Which I'm allmost positive this one is. But I'm talking about from Holland to Canada. That being said, I believe we have a so called zone, which is equal in all of the European Union, so it must be in France as wel? So I would say he doesn't like you very much ;)
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kevin i am sad that i can not get a frisian axe, can you post a picture of the viking axes you have that you said were more frisian then the one i am looking at
 
Square_peg said:
I wonder if Highland Woodworking would order one of those in. They distribute Mueller. Stubai used to have a long list of forestry tools available. They looked very similar to the Mueller stuff. I always wondered if the 2 companies worked together.
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Here's a Stubai catalog that I found and downloaded about 5 years ago. I don't know if they still offer all this stuff. At this time they didn't offer anything like that French axe.

ftp://cedarriverforge.com/../cedarriverforge/public_html/Photo-index/axephotos/stubai%20forestry%20tool%20catalog.pdf
 
Kevin Houtzager said:
Just be patient. It'll happen one day. My viking axes aren't Frisian at all. Not even in the least bit. Vikings invaded Holland in about 819 I believe. They set up Dorestad neer Wijk bij Duurstede. one of my axes came out of the ground were Dorestad once stood. The other one was found in Denmark on a shore close to the bridge. And trust me on this one: I you find 89 Dollars expensive, go go looking for these type of axes, because that would probably only get you a sliver of what these are worth. The big one is the danish axe, ruffly 1000 a.d. The skeggox is the smaller one ruffly 800 a.d. There are only a couple in museum's worldwide, and most of them aren't in this good a shape. That probably says it all....

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The handle of the skeggox needs replacing, It's dried out under the head.But it was way to thick anyway, so I don't mind. And yes, that a 14 carat gold pin in there ;)



Or get me the FTP acces ;)
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kevin you said the Frisian were from Scandinavia so i thought the viking axes whould be similer to the ones the frisians used, thanks
 
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