What would you do if carrying a knife became illegal in your country?

I feel genuinely bad for those that want to get out, but can't. I understand the constraints of family, work, etc. I still have family and friends in CA...

I got out because: One, I believe the time will come when you CAN'T get out whether you want to or not. Two, as has been acknowledged, the laws are all over the place, and I'm not going to carry written copy of the various laws in my back pocket. Three, I flat out do not feel safe there, especially since the ability to defend one's self is severely compromised in my view.

But as is true with most things, I'll do me, you do you. We are all different with different outlooks, views, and opinions.

Indeed, stay safe out there.
 
Whisperstealth said:
I feel genuinely bad for those that want to get out, but can't. I understand the constraints of family, work, etc. I still have family and friends in CA...

I got out because: One, I believe the time will come when you CAN'T get out whether you want to or not. Two, as has been acknowledged, the laws are all over the place, and I'm not going to carry written copy of the various laws in my back pocket. Three, I flat out do not feel safe there, especially since the ability to defend one's self is severely compromised in my view.

But as is true with most things, I'll do me, you do you. We are all different with different outlooks, views, and opinions.

Indeed, stay safe out there.
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I did try really hard to leave a few years ago, but my wife wouldn't leave her family and I love being married to her! 😀

I totally agree with you. Self defense is almost completely outlawed here, even though the politicians try to pretend that's not the case. CCW is finally fairly easy to get here but the liability issues are insane. I personally believe everyone should always be armed, regardless.

Hey at least there's some potential - Bruen has started to help claw back some of our rights, so it won't be 'right this way, to jail' when we exercise them.
 
Where I live the law takes a very hard stance on carrying a knife. This includes having it in your back- or shoulder bag in the city, in public. You can get up to a year in jail or a large fine. This is because especially youths have started to carry knives quite regularly. You have to have a very good reason to have a knife, for example working in construction, trekking, hunting or fishing. Even then it is better to leave the knife in the car or bury it in the bottom of your back bag while being in public. This makes me think that even a Swiss army knife in shoulder bag can get me conviction. Best is looking respectable and not get into any trouble, but what if I have to defend myself and while investigating the police finds the pocket knife, even if I have not used it?
 
HFinn said:
Where I live the law takes a very hard stance on carrying a knife. This includes having it in your back- or shoulder bag in the city, in public. You can get up to a year in jail or a large fine. This is because especially youths have started to carry knives quite regularly. You have to have a very good reason to have a knife, for example working in construction, trekking, hunting or fishing. Even then it is better to leave the knife in the car or bury it in the bottom of your back bag while being in public. This makes me think that even a Swiss army knife in shoulder bag can get me conviction. Best is looking respectable and not get into any trouble, but what if I have to defend myself and while investigating the police finds the pocket knife, even if I have not used it?
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Perhaps you have the same "youth" problem that we have. A problem that is enormously increased together with the number of new people that are in your country.
 
Sphinx3000 said:
Perhaps you have the same "youth" problem that we have. A problem that is enormously increased together with the number of new people that are in your country.
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I personally have worked with the security issues of schools and vocational schools and have listened what police and social workers have had to say about the issue. The number and percentage of problem youths is small, most of those that you seem to be talking about are just normal kids. The problem piles up to a certain group of youths that are very difficult to reach. These youths commit most of the crimes. Then there is a larger group that hang around these "leaders" and are in danger of slipping into something more serious.

Criminologists identify stigma as one of the causes of crime. Young people who are repeatedly labeled as criminals are at risk of being marginalized and thereby slipping into crime. Therefore I resist this resent trend of labeling people as a problem without knowing anything about them.
 
HFinn said:
I personally have worked with the security issues of schools and vocational schools and have listened what police and social workers have had to say about the issue. The number and percentage of problem youths is small, most of those that you seem to be talking about are just normal kids. The problem piles up to a certain group of youths that are very difficult to reach. These youths commit most of the crimes. Then there is a larger group that hang around these "leaders" and are in danger of slipping into something more serious.

Criminologists identify stigma as one of the causes of crime. Young people who are repeatedly labeled as criminals are at risk of being marginalized and thereby slipping into crime. Therefore I resist this resent trend of labeling people as a problem without knowing anything about them.
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We never had these problems to the extent we do now. Almost all perpetrators have the same profile. Suppose you let 10 people in your country, and 2 of them are criminals, while among the indigenous population, 1 in 10 is a criminal; then the number of criminals has doubled. The authorities aren't equipped to handle that. The police can't handle it, the justice system can't, healthcare can't, and so on. This is something that's happening in the Netherlands now. I'm not saying there aren't any good people among them, because there are plenty of them. We're just not equipped to deal with the problems that a small portion of this group brings with them. The Netherlands has always been tolerant of migrants, and the fact that this is changing is truly due to the behavior of this group.

As you see in your own country, social workers and police officers are also unable to adequately address these people. This results in false solutions, such as banning (certain) knives. That's probably quite easy to implement compared with dealing with the troublemakers. In my opinion it is time to close the borders.
 
In US-GA here, our current knife laws are pretty lax these days, but before 2017 they were more restrictive. When I was much younger, I was a bystander in a domestic dispute with a couple of guys who got in a fight. Cops were called, they asked all of us if we had weapons on us. I answered yeah and handed one of the cops the OTF auto I had on me, which was illegal at the time. He played with it for a moment, smiled, handed it back to me. So if things were suddenly illegal again, I would hope things would still go that well. But being older now, if balis/autos became illegal, I'd probably just avoid carrying them on me. However if they outlawed every blade, I wouldn't stop carrying my SAK's. I would have trouble wrapping my mind around that level of absurdity.
 
knifeinanukefight said:
In US-GA here, our current knife laws are pretty lax these days, but before 2017 they were more restrictive. When I was much younger, I was a bystander in a domestic dispute with a couple of guys who got in a fight. Cops were called, they asked all of us if we had weapons on us. I answered yeah and handed one of the cops the OTF auto I had on me, which was illegal at the time. He played with it for a moment, smiled, handed it back to me. So if things were suddenly illegal again, I would hope things would still go that well. But being older now, if balis/autos became illegal, I'd probably just avoid carrying them on me. However if they outlawed every blade, I wouldn't stop carrying my SAK's. I would have trouble wrapping my mind around that level of absurdity.
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The few and far between you got there..😉.....Id say 95 out.of 100 times that goes.the way!!!! Even if it was legal there's always the bozo who keeps the stuff he grabs.from ya for safety...😖.....
 
My state recently made owning and carrying Brass Nuks legal. Knives of all almost varieties, including automatics have been legal for a while now. As for the the Nuks, it is legal to own and use them for personal defense. A problem can arise however if the authorities determine you went past self defense, and used excessive force. Still, nice to have the option.
 
Switchblades legal in Massachusetts now. David Canjura got arrested in Boston for carrying one during a loud argument in public with his girlfriend a few years ago. He beat the felony weapons charge by insisting that it was his 2A right to carry an automatic knife. The Massachusetts SJC agreed, overturning a 1957 law that banned them.
 
Louky said:
My grandfather gave me my first knife (a tiny slip-joint) when I was 7 years old.
I don't think I've ever gone a day since then without having a folding knife in my pocket.
For over 40 years, I have been carrying all kinds of folding knives without ever having caused the slightest problem: modern, traditional, SAK, Spyderco, Benchmade, Laguiole, Sebenza... J'adore les couteaux de poche !

Unfortunately, here in France, the situation for knife lovers is becoming critical.

There are many problems of aggression, especially between young people, and our leaders, unable to do anything, use the easy solution, which consists of banning knives. It won't solve any problems, of course, but it gives people the impression that they're doing something.
This summer, they classified "brass knuckles" and "zombie knives" in "category A", that is to say the same classification as full-auto firearms!!!

Fixed knives, automatic knives and butterfly knives are classified in "category D": their possession is authorized, but their carrying is prohibited (except for professionals in the exercise of their profession and for hunters in action). All other knives "can be" classified as category D, depending on the circumstances, according to the assessment of the police officer carrying out the check... in other words, it's Russian roulette...

Violation of the law carries a risk of a fine of €500 (approximately $580).
More importantly, it creates a criminal record, which prohibits you from owning a firearm and from holding certain public sector jobs.

So far, I'm resisting: I'm taking the risk of putting a Victorinox Cadet in my pocket regardless.
But I don't know what philosophy to adopt regarding this problem. We are rarely checked where I live, but if I get caught, the consequences would be enormous.

What do you think about this situation?
What would you do if carrying a knife became illegal in your country?
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A knife is a TOOL.
Especially a Victorinox Cadet.
When I was in Catholic grade school in the 1980's I had to do a report on St Joan.
I translated her transcript from old French to modern English.
One of her inquisitors asked how she could be an "obedient subject" to her king & wear men's clothes.
Her response was she isn't a "godom" (English).
When asked to explain that, she said she wasn't a subject to anyone, but a Citizen of France.
 
As long as the migrant gangs here carry large kitchen knives & machetes i carry whatever i think is necessary.
Of course it helps that i'm an old fart now, a category of citizens that in general is nearly invisible to the general public.
One or two quality knives are always with me, and when i feel like it i also carry a completely innocent looking walking cane, that is however made of nearly unbreakable rattan core.
The same material also used for "caning" in certain countries, and able to deliver excruciating pain in the right hands.



This cartoon above says something about the siituation in Amsterdam, and the rest of the Netherlands is catching up fast.
The cartoonist who made this was arrested several years ago in his home by 10 armed police officers, just for drawing several similar cartoons.
I believe that says something about the situation in the Netherlands (as well as the rest of Europe)
 
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Still carry my knife.
Even now some states have restrictions, but I have a few CCW's that let me carry a firearm in those same states. So if you wanna arrest me for a knife. Ill happily call my lawyer and go for a jury trial.
Have fun explaining to a jury why I can have a gun and multiple mags,but my knife is a no no!
I doubt id even see the inside of the courthouse.
Now here in Georgia. I can carry anything i want!
 
Louky said:
My grandfather gave me my first knife (a tiny slip-joint) when I was 7 years old.
I don't think I've ever gone a day since then without having a folding knife in my pocket.
For over 40 years, I have been carrying all kinds of folding knives without ever having caused the slightest problem: modern, traditional, SAK, Spyderco, Benchmade, Laguiole, Sebenza... J'adore les couteaux de poche !

Unfortunately, here in France, the situation for knife lovers is becoming critical.

There are many problems of aggression, especially between young people, and our leaders, unable to do anything, use the easy solution, which consists of banning knives. It won't solve any problems, of course, but it gives people the impression that they're doing something.
This summer, they classified "brass knuckles" and "zombie knives" in "category A", that is to say the same classification as full-auto firearms!!!

Fixed knives, automatic knives and butterfly knives are classified in "category D": their possession is authorized, but their carrying is prohibited (except for professionals in the exercise of their profession and for hunters in action). All other knives "can be" classified as category D, depending on the circumstances, according to the assessment of the police officer carrying out the check... in other words, it's Russian roulette...

Violation of the law carries a risk of a fine of €500 (approximately $580).
More importantly, it creates a criminal record, which prohibits you from owning a firearm and from holding certain public sector jobs.

So far, I'm resisting: I'm taking the risk of putting a Victorinox Cadet in my pocket regardless.
But I don't know what philosophy to adopt regarding this problem. We are rarely checked where I live, but if I get caught, the consequences would be enormous.

What do you think about this situation?
What would you do if carrying a knife became illegal in your country?
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You're situation sucks for sure!
Personally I would worry about a folding non locking SAK,but im not sure im the person you should listen too...lol!
Sounds like exceptions maybe made if you're hunting, fishing, camping?,hiking? In that case id keep a small amount of the necessary gear in my car in a backpack and get a hunting or fishing license and always keep it valid and have an immediate answer if you're asked where are you going to do..whatever activity.
 
Pittybull said:
You're situation sucks for sure!
Personally I would worry about a folding non locking SAK,but im not sure im the person you should listen too...lol!
Sounds like exceptions maybe made if you're hunting, fishing, camping?,hiking? In that case id keep a small amount of the necessary gear in my car in a backpack and get a hunting or fishing license and always keep it valid and have an immediate answer if you're asked where are you going to do..whatever activity.
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In NYS you are permitted to carry an auto while fishing and hunting so I have a lifetime sportsmans license and I'm always huntin' 😜😜😜
 
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