Whats involved with staying alive below +40 degrees?

Hotrod said:
How long have you had them? Any wear? (I'm looking into making a purchase...)

I like carharrts stuff when it comes to jeans and sweat shirts, they last a long time... even with my "Abuse." All cotton is the problem with both of those! But I havent bought anything with wool except for socks! Maybe I'll skip the low end stuff and go for proven goods this time around... I'll have to beat my cheap side into submission though! ;)

Well to be honest, out of all my wool stuff the Ranger shirt is one of the things I'm less happy with regarding wear. It's the weave and the stitching. The stitching around the bottom of the shirt isn't great and has started to fall off . I guess I snagged it on wolf fence when I was putting new stuff up or taking old stuff down, I've also tucked it in and pulled it out of my pants alot which may have contributed to losing the stitching there. There is also some wear at the point the sleeves join the cuffs (now that's just ordinary wear, not snag related). Now the shirt still works and when you consider that I've spent 8 months in a environment such as this one, and worn the shirt nearly every day and also every night during winter, and that I've had it for maybe 6 month back in the UK before I came here and wore it every single day, the wear doesn't seem so bad. If I had wanted to I could have repaired it but the shirt is still together and has no holes (unlike my Icebreaker long-johns which have a major crotch hole as the result of buying a size too small when I was in a bind to get a pair, they've seen alot of wear too though).

I'll wear this shirt til it falls apart and it's far from that right now, but as wool garments go it's not as durable as I'd have liked. The weave gives the impression that when a hole develops it'll only get bigger and bigger, but the shirt is soft and warm and not really made for such abuse as I've put it though.

The Swanndri hooded bush shirt is made of a very different weave (like alot of Filson stuff) and is really strong. If you want more of a convention style though and don't want to spend too much Filson make a Jacket/Liner of heavyweight wool (not very heavy really, but very strong by weave and design) for arouind $100. When I replace this shirt I will either buy one of those or one of the Filson sweaters which are built to be warmer but not as an outer layer.

The ranger shirt is nice and basically replaces a fleece with a wool garment. It'll block the wind slightly but not to any huge extent. If you want to wear it under a jacket it's ideal, and had I done that instead of wearing it as an outer layer on warm days (aswell as a mid layer on cold ones) it would be in much better condition. I feel I'll get my money's worth out of it before it falls to bits but if you want something more durable as an outer layer, check out the Jacket/Liner and possibly one of the heavier Swanndri shirts. The Filson Mackinaw Cruiser is great but at twice the price of the Ranger shirt, it's made for an outer layer in pretty cold conditions. Look around and check some of this stuff out. Filson, may have a shop somewhere near you.

Matt
 
I'll have to check around to see if there are any stores that carry these "High end" bits and pieces... :D
 
The reason to dress in layers is as much to stay cool as it is to stay warm. Clothing that is comfortable while you are sitting still with the wind blowing on you is suddenly too warm when you get back on your snowshoes and start mushing through tree cover. I like to have a loose fitting outer layer that I can unzip for air circulation when I start to heat up. This is a lot handier than taking it off. For the same reason I like to have sleeves on my coat that I can loosen up.

Where I live 40 degrees is considered nice weather for outdoor strolling. When I walk at lunch time I just wear a flannel-lined denim shirt over my golf shirt if its around 40 degrees. If it warms up to the high 40's I unbutton the shirt. If it hits the 50's I take it off. I don't switch out of khaki's and into Levi's until it gets below 20. I don't put on cotton long johns until it gets below zero. The only time I have ever felt the need for high tech outer wear was snowmobiling in Yellowstone at 30-below. I did have to unbutton it though.
 
"Let me get this straight... a 3 layer system would be 2-3 socks, 3 layers of pants, 3 shirt/jackets, gloves and something to keep your head from freezing off."

Sort of. The 3-layers go on your upper and lower body. On the feet, you'll generally have one or 2 pairs of socks (one being a pair of liner socks) and your boots. On the hands, generally 1 pair of gloves, although you can also get linre gloves, whhich are generally really thin, for colder weather. For the torso, the first layer is thermals aka long johns (non-cotton), the second layer is a wool sweater, and the last layer is a windbreaker. The colder the weather, the thicker/heavier duty the particular clothing. On your legs, the first layer is the long johns, the second layer is a pair of pants or a pair of fleece sweats, or a pair of wool pants, etc. If necessary, the outer layer would be some water-proof pants to keep your under-layers dry.

Perceived cold is relative to the person in the weather. Some are comfortable wearing shorts and a t-shirt in 50 degree weather. Others will feel like they are going to freeze. This personal variation is due to both weather acclimation and individual metabolism; some bodies just don't heat themselves as well as others.
 
Jeff Clark said:
The reason to dress in layers is as much to stay cool as it is to stay warm. Clothing that is comfortable while you are sitting still with the wind blowing on you is suddenly too warm when you get back on your snowshoes and start mushing through tree cover. I like to have a loose fitting outer layer that I can unzip for air circulation when I start to heat up. This is a lot handier than taking it off. For the same reason I like to have sleeves on my coat that I can loosen up.

Where I live 40 degrees is considered nice weather for outdoor strolling. When I walk at lunch time I just wear a flannel-lined denim shirt over my golf shirt if its around 40 degrees. If it warms up to the high 40's I unbutton the shirt. If it hits the 50's I take it off. I don't switch out of khaki's and into Levi's until it gets below 20. I don't put on cotton long johns until it gets below zero. The only time I have ever felt the need for high tech outer wear was snowmobiling in Yellowstone at 30-below. I did have to unbutton it though.


My knees start knocking at 65... joints quit working at 50... :confused:
 
Synthetics will melt down around you, if you require getting close enough to a fire to benefit from it's warmth.

For temps above freezing, silk is a excellent base layer, in that it holds the moiture next to your skin when you are active, so that your sweat can help keep you from over heating. Then when you stop, silk wicks the moisture away from the body and insulates. Wool over silk is a good combination. I have no experience with it, but hear the reverse is true for colder temperatures. That is, using wool as the base layer, with silk over that and wool over that. Wear a good insulating hat or cap as well as wool socks and insulated boots.
 
longbow50 said:
Synthetics will melt down around you, if you require getting close enough to a fire to benefit from it's warmth.

As noted above, wool is more fire-resistant than polyester -- and even better compared to cotton. Wool ignites in the range 1060-1110 degrees f. Polyester and nylon ignite at 840-1040 degrees f. The practical application of these numbers is that wool is less likely to get ember holes or "brush-up melts" as compared to nylon or polyester.

As for melting, polyester shows some changes at 320 degrees f. and melts at 428 degrees f. The the various nylons melt in the range 428-500 degrees F. Water boils at 212 degrees f. You would probably be uncomfortable ( :eek: ) long before a polyester or nylon garment began "melting down around you." (This judgment does not aply to natives of Mercury who find 500 f. just the thing to loosen up the kinks. :cool: )
 
How does silk work as a wind breaker? Is it abrasion resistant?

I've been hearing that the wool alone doesnt work all that great without something to keep the wind from blowing through it. Guess the wool/silk/wool is a wind breaker? If so... is the outer layer of wool doing anything? :D

Tom: I've melted shoes before, it can be hot to the material, but not hot to you... :D
 
Hotrod said:
Tom: I've melted shoes before, it can be hot to the material, but not hot to you... :D

Yep, boots get melted all the time. When the were all leather, they got "toasted" extra crispy -- even charred -- many times. That's the beauty of insulation. Some of my SAR "customers" in California in the 1960's were slow getting back because unexpectedly bootless.
 
a debris shelter just big enough to lay in. with 4 ft. of leaves or other natural insulation piled on it. stuff it on the inside with dry insulation, and have a littlle insulated door. from what i recall of some late night reading last night this shelter will keep you warm up to -40 deg.
 
elvenbladesmith07 said:
a debris shelter just big enough to lay in. with 4 ft. of leaves or other natural insulation piled on it. stuff it on the inside with dry insulation, and have a littlle insulated door. from what i recall of some late night reading last night this shelter will keep you warm up to -40 deg.

Reading in a book? Website? :D Gotta find the really great texts somehow... :D
 
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