What's so special about the Busses?

Well we all have our experiences. As I stated I sold my Busse BM after working in Cambodia. I found it to chop and cut very slow and the handle was uncomfortable to me, this while cutting bamboo and 2-6 inch diamater wood. Found the HI Khuks and Cold Steel LTC much better. The Khuk style blade lended it self to much easier chopping and cutting through in reduced time compared to the Busses. Plus the handles were better shaped and not as rough on the hands. I want a knife for cutting, if I want to chop I wil take a small axe or a Khuk. If I want a crow bar, I will get a crow bar or a peice of steel pipe. If I want a hammer I will get a hammer! LOL LOL LOL Maybe that is somewhat the issue with Busse, it trys to be a Jack of All trades and a Master of none. Yeah, Busses are hard and tough to break. (just like crow bar that someone grinds a edge on. LOL) But, I have put my HI khuks through hell and have yet to see them break either. Actually most of my Khuk are thicker in the spine than a Busse, and have used the spine edge many a time for hammering or beating on things. For me the perfect combo for the field (jungle or forest area) would be a Chris Reeve Fixed blade, a Khuk, and a multi tool. Find the Choil, on Busse, as stated not very good for a fighting knife. Easily gets hanged up in a combative survival situation. I plan on getting some addtional Chris Reeve Fixed knives (1st SFG(A) limited edition Pacific) and also some Ryan Wilson Fixed knives in the near future. More of what I am looking for. (and BTW, AFghanistan in most areas is actually more forested and mountainous than Desert, but the last several months I do not get outside of the FOBs very much)
i have alot of busse blades, and i think they are jack of all trades knives, and in most task they are masters...... i have a hard time believing that you have found any cold steel knife to be superior to any busse..... that makes me think you have lost some brain matter in your super secret dark ops life.

and by the way the ryan wilson knives are great i own a few of them.
 
Well we all have our experiences. As I stated I sold my Busse BM after working in Cambodia. I found it to chop and cut very slow and the handle was uncomfortable to me, this while cutting bamboo and 2-6 inch diamater wood. Found the HI Khuks and Cold Steel LTC much better. The Khuk style blade lended it self to much easier chopping and cutting through in reduced time compared to the Busses. Plus the handles were better shaped and not as rough on the hands.

I guess comfort is a matter of personal preference. There are busses I do not find comfortable, just like there are busses I do. But I do not find any large CS blade comfortable. The Kraton feels like a square block of wood wrapped in rough textured rubber than begins to twist and loosen within a short time of use.

As for the HI handles, they are good, however, they are no where near what I would call durable. I have had them come loose on me often. The HI khuks are tough as hell, no doubt about that.

I want a knife for cutting, if I want to chop I wil take a small axe or a Khuk. If I want a crow bar, I will get a crow bar or a peice of steel pipe. If I want a hammer I will get a hammer! LOL LOL LOL Maybe that is somewhat the issue with Busse, it trys to be a Jack of All trades and a Master of none.

Wow, your ruck must weigh 200 lbs with the prybar, axe, khkuri, multitool, knife, hammer. lol, lol, lol. I would say that you must have your own jeep.

Yeah, Busses are hard and tough to break. (just like crow bar that someone grinds a edge on. LOL)?

The busses you speak of have better blade and edge geometry than your current lineup. Simple math. So if you call the busse a prybar, then what would you call your blunt instruments. You own an HI, which is quite possibly the most obtuse grind on the planet and you have the nerve to insinuate that busses are "crow bars with an edge"? That is like the pot calling the fine china black. lol

Find the Choil, on Busse, as stated not very good for a fighting knife. Easily gets hanged up in a combative survival situation. ?

lol, this one is funny. Actually a choil on a large knife makes it much more useable for fighting as you can choke up on the blade and get better control and faster action. since fighting with a knife is the least likely thing you will do, this is a non-issue.


I plan on getting some addtional Chris Reeve Fixed knives (1st SFG(A) limited edition Pacific) and also some Ryan Wilson Fixed knives in the near future. More of what I am looking for. (and BTW, AFghanistan in most areas is actually more forested and mountainous than Desert, but the last several months I do not get outside of the FOBs very much)?

Cool, Reeves makes a good product, I like Reeves knives and I love A2 steel.


And BTW, what's up with the only knife that Busse is selling now on his web page is a small bladed knife shaped after a Scoth Tape Dispensor?

Actually the company store is selling badgers which is a great all around knife. But you know how Busse sells knives, so the fact that you brought this up, once agan shows me that you have some form of hidden agenda.


What I find laughable, is how people (who cannot really say anything bad about Busse knives since they outperform in one way or another most everything available today) have to attempt to put down a knife company due to their jealousy.

I like what I like and I never put down any other knife, until threads like this pop up, which force me and others to come out with the reality of useage.

Fact number one, I like what I like. If you don't that is your business. However, I don't come out and put down other makers just to do so. In fact, quite often I have come out in defense of other knifemakers such as Ferhman, Strider, falkniven, Bark River, Reeves, HI and more. I have owned them in the past (except for Ferhman) and if I have enough money, I may someday own more of those as well. However, when someone comes out and asks, how good is a Strider, I usually reply that they have a great rep and make a solid product. I will not sit there and take advantage of the situation to trash the other makers just because they have design points that I do not care for and hence why I do not own them. That is my business and what I like is different than what the next guy likes. This is true for all kinds of products. Just check out Guns, jackets, sunglasses, watches and you will get a 100 different opinions. However, you have come out and trashed a line with little ammo. .

Based on the continued use of busse knives, I can say that I do not believe your statements, I can also say that I can bring a similar sized busse knife to whatever your favorite knife is and mine will be working long after yours has given up the ghost, in edge holding and toughness. I have already proven it to myself, so it isn't anything I haven't already done.

By the way Busse has the standing challenge at every blade and no one seems to take him up on that challenge.
 
The Battle Mistress sucked at chopping, used it in the jungles of Cambodia. That lasted for only one patrol, then got rid of it. Poor design on the handles and blade. .

man, this goes against what so many very knowledgeable users have said in the past. Chris Janowski, Ron Hood, Cliff Stamp, plus many on these forums that have used them hard.


. As for all the hype I read about Military units using them, would like to see some documentation showing what unit is using them? I spent 8 years in Military Special Operations, and then the last 3 years working in Iraq and Afghan with other branches of the goverment and the only Busses I ever saw were the ones I owned, and one that I sold to a team member. .

I just posted your old posts showing you and two other guys in your unit. 1/3 of your unit by your own words. Issued knives are what these days, the kabar or Sog and you can get both at the px all day long. Anything more pricey is usually paid for by the user, or several team members get together and do a group buy. As for actual Busses sold to the military as part of a contract, I have no clue, but how this has anything to do with the original question is beyond me again telling me that you have a hidden issue.
 
Yeah, I wouldn't call the Battle Mistress poor at chopping. Sure, it's not a two-handed felling axe, but in a lot of tasks, it gives the small hiking hatchets a run for their money, and on Scandinavian woods, beats the hell out of any machete ever made. If I had to use only a knife for chopping, that would probably be the Battle Mistress.
 
Second, I would not consider it being a troll, when I am just pointing out some of my experiences on Busse knives and regarding to many other post about them. .

you have done more than point out, you have made laid question as to a knifemakers integrity. Calling me a liar is one thing as I have no livelyhood attached to all this and it affects me not. True or not, your statements are not experiences. The last paragraph I quoted at the bottom of this post proves this point. Check out the bolded words.


There are a lot better knives out there to get the Job done than Busse. If you want a crow bar buy a crow bar, or get a good axe, or Khuk if you want something to chop with. .

statement of fact? definitely not..your opinion, more likely.


Busses are great for collecting, but IMHO not the best for actual field operations. And as for bringing up my military background, without being too specific, I brought that up to refute the argument I always see about how there are all these Military Spec Ops units using Busse knives or all these "Secret" units having them made for them. Lets see some documentation? I am just stating that in over 11 years of working with the US Military Sepcial Operations community, I have never seen any Busse knives and when I did have mine, no one else had even heard of Busse knives. Knives are not classified military equipement,and either are units that may have the knives. Specific missions are the only things that are classified. Now, there may be a few individuals within the Military who use Busse knives. .

Your comment here may or may not be true. But here are two points two consider. Busse has never advertised his knives as military knives. No where in his adds do you see that. He does, however, mention every so often about "military overruns" and you state that orders are not classified. That is not necessarily true.

If the specification of a tool is classified, due to design, material type, or any part of the description, the entire transaction is classified. A good example, is the military having to have knowledge of the processing of INFI in order to assure the quality compared to the specs. If INFI is proprietary to the mfg, then the gov can classify the entire project at a high enough level to reduce leaks.

it's done all the time.

however, you are basically indicating that Busse is misrepresenting his knives being sold to the goverment. I cannot answer that, as it is a personal issue and only a Busse company rep can give you that answer.

Honestly, I do not care if he is selling or not to the military. Knowing that he does is nice just as a service to the military. However, it does not affect what I buy at all.
 
Well...

Personally, when topics like this get muddied by trash talking, it ruins the whole point of the OP's question which I believe was legit. Don't like Busses, don't buy 'em. Simple...

If you have experiences to share, that's cool, share them. Good or Bad, but some of the trolls here have gone back to their teenage, stand tall behind their key board tactics. Whatever... :jerkit:

My knives are my knives, and if someone asks a question, I will answer with my personal experiences and what they were asking. Not some juvenile rant. Take it to the Whine and Cheese section if you want to do some product and brand bashing. That's what it's there for... :rolleyes:
 
Something must be special about them, 26 pages and nearly 11,000 views :D

Naw. If the question had been about any other brand with a following and anyone said anything negative, you would have seen the same behavior. However, as I understand it, civilization got along without any of my favorite brands (of anything) for centuries - somehow.

The effort to prove that someone else's preference is wrong -- rather than simply different -- almost always devolves into drama. Although something useful comes out of it every once and a while.
 
Thomas, what's the line?..... there's no aruging taste?
Then an argument that cant be resolved goes on forever.
 
Thomas, what's the line?..... there's no aruging taste?
Then an argument that cant be resolved goes on forever.
“De gustibus non est disptandum” (in matters of taste there is no disputing).
Seneca

"Different strokes for different folks." (Different strokes for different folks.)
Sly
 
I really appreciate the conversation/discussion we can have here. I will not dispute someone else's taste, just the validity of critcism. I can understand the complaints on choils now, but I still prefer them. No dig on someone else for prefering more edge. I got to thinking more about some of these points made about Busse designs and went out to do some regular chores. In comparison to how I was taught to whittle, carve, cut and so on, I guess I've adapted to some of the characteristics of Busses to fit my use. My method of grip and work has taken quite a turn since my grandfather taught me to whittle with a Case Sodbuster or dress out with an Old Timer Sharpfinger. But, I like the transition, and I would hope that all here would strive to keep learning. Maybe not change, but instead of critical comments, show actual interest in why others make their choices. You never know, with an open mind, you could learn something new. If it can happen for me, it can happen for anyone. Busse or no Busse.
 
I need someone to explain what they mean by "cultish" and the rest of the descriptive words they use in a derogatory fashion in regards to Busse forumites.

Well, I can't neccessarily speak for everyone but here's what I think they mean...


Close-knit: This isn't a bad thing by any stretch, but just as it imparts a feeling of closeness to group members, it also has the effect of making outgroup individuals feel a little awkward.

Having a distinct set of traditions that are observed by the group: E.g. having an name with a porcine theme, having an avatar with "heavy titties", abusing punctuation, using large type, using different fonts, different font colours (these aren't neccessarily bad things, but they are kind of jarring, like ALL CAPS to me), knife & scotch pictures, etc. These aren't neccessarily unique to the Busse crowd, but they occur with an unusually high frequency among them.

Having an identity as 'Busse knife owners': Just trust me on this, you've got it. Most of you guys are as invested in the Busse name as Jerry is. Note the bruised feelings that result from someone suggesting that they've found other knives that work better for them.

Having your own language: Busse certainly isn't the only knife company to have ever used an acronym, but they do take it to the extreme. There's a reason there's a big list of acronyms stickied. Then there's also all the references to pigs and such.

Having your own hierarchy: Witness the public list of "Hogs of the round trough". Stickied at the top of the subforum.


These things are not neccessarily bad, but just as they unite you guys, they distance you from everyone else. And some people just will never enjoy it. I don't really understand how anyone would find this fact surprising.

It is difficult to separate feelings about the Busse community, the spotty availability and lack of sheath from feelings about the knives themselves, because it is all part of the cost. Now, if you enjoy the Busse community and the hunt for the knife you want, great. But if you don't and you're a working guy looking for a working knife you have to consider that your time is worth something.

When I got my GW (oops! sorry, Game Warden) I was making just shy of $35 an hour. I paid ~230 for the knife (the dollar had not hit parity then), another 40 for shipping, 35 at the border, and I spent who knows how many hours over a period of months checking the website to see if they had any models other than the one that was featured, wondering why the Busse Company store showed pictures of knives but never had any, eventually registering for a forum account here, trying to figure what the heck you guys in the Busse forum were talking about with your acronyms, feeling inadequate because I don't have expensive scotch/fas car/large breasted girlfriend/stockpile of guns/material good du jour, trying to figure out what a gaanzaa was, checking the exchange looking for knives I was interested in and could afford that weren't CONUS only, finally understanding why the company store never has any knives and the Busse website only shows one model (because lord knows they don't bother to explain it there), compulsively checking the forum to see if there were any knives headed to the company store, *finally* spotting a knife--holy sh*t a real honest-to-goodness knife--although not the colours I was looking for (it was black/black&green G-10, I'd wanted satin/any solid earth tone), and buying it anyways because, hey, it was the first time I'd seen a Busse for sale at the comany store. Then one a little closer to what I was looking for showed up right afterwards as someone who'd had a bunch in their shopping cart decided to let them go. @#%&er.

It is hard to estimate how much time this took, but adding it all together over the period of months I think a very conservative estimate would be something like 10-12 hours. This makes that first GW a $700 knife and there's no way I'm making that back by selling it. And that's before even getting it a sheath. Sure, I won't have to go through that again if I want to buy another, but who the heck knows if they'll want a second before they get their first. In a strange way it was a bit of a disappointment, because although I think the asking price was fair, it just ain't $700 knife. Still, I've had fun with it, and I'd do better (and be a lot more selective) now than I did then, but that's what it looks like to the uninitiated and that's why someone interested in the knives would want to consider the Busse collecting community itself if they're thinking of buying one.

I don't think anyone seriously considers it a cult, but I suspect these are the things they mean when they refer to it as cultish. I'd prefer to avoid the term myself given the derogatory connotations associated with most uses of the word and not wanting to be rude to the other folks on this forum, but I think I can see where they're coming from.
 
g30ff, Thanks, that does help someone like me to gain some clarity. Nicely explained, kind of like my wife does before mussing my hair (what's left:rolleyes:) and politely excusing me for being socially stunted.:D

I agree with the whole hunt/purchase/obsession putting one off. I do not make enough to pay retail on most any high-end blades, so I have had to trade, sell, trade, sell up to what I have now. Thank goodness for some good friends and the helpful nature of alot of the folks on the forum.:thumbup:
 
Glad it helped. And I agree, when it comes right down to it the people on the Busse forum are just good natured helpful folks who don't take themselves too seriously and have a passion for great knives. It can be hard to see that when you're not really active in those circles, but it is definitely there.
 
I had to get extra popcorn for this one. Wow, lots of opinions here! Let's see: Chris Reeve has great products, so does Busse. Most makers stand behind their blades.

Elen: you won't find Busse products in the small shops in the countryside of Scandinavia. You will see a great selection of Fiskars axes etc, and for good reason. These tools are proven in such areas, they work time after time. And, you won't see many machetes in Finland or Sweden either. The Moras, Frost etc keep everyone happy from The southern coast to the North Cape.

Everybody has their own experiences. I think it is great that we can have views that are opposed.
 
Elen: you won't find Busse products in the small shops in the countryside of Scandinavia. You will see a great selection of Fiskars axes etc, and for good reason. These tools are proven in such areas, they work time after time. And, you won't see many machetes in Finland or Sweden either. The Moras, Frost etc keep everyone happy from The southern coast to the North Cape.

You won't find anything much in the small shops in the countryside of Scandinavia, but what has that got to do with the performance of Busses? :confused: People here aren't all just happy with Moras. Quite a lot of people want more quality from a knife than Moras can provide, extremely good value for the money as they are. Machetes won't do here, that is true. Something like the Battle Mistress? It's not an axe, but it would be fun, and be much more useful in chopping than any machete or a smaller knife.
 
Yep, the Busse products are fun. I have more than a few BM blades and have used them for all manner of chores. My Basic 9 has probably seen more use than any other Busse knife I have. It has superb ergonomics and holds a great edge, but again, it also has limits. I like the feel of it and the cutting/slicing ability. The DF is another 'winner' in my book and may take the prize of being the toughest bowie on the planet.

Where we part company is on the issue of chopping. A decent, properly sharpened machete has greater reach and power for chopping a wide variety of woods. It also has to do with user skill and strength. I have an older CS kuk design that has greater raw chopping power than any of my BM blades. There is no implicit magic here, just physics.
Thin blades (1/8th of an inch) cut amazingly well in the machete format. There is a reason why the machete is a worldwide tool: it works exceedingly well for a wide array of applications and it is cheap. The Busse is a better pry bar though and would be near impossible to break within normal useage. The BM, DF and the TM all represent 'compromise' blades to me. They are great all rounders, and they most certainly have a place in the wilderness for some of us that love to use knives. Again Elen, a lot of this depends on user skill.
 
Thin blades (1/8th of an inch) cut amazingly well in the machete format. There is a reason why the machete is a worldwide tool: .

Disagree, true machettes dont have the heft or durability to make it worth while in many wood types where I live. It is actually dangerous and glances and barely breaks bark on some woods (that is physics). It is not a world wide tool it is a jungle tool designed for soft greenery and the avoidance of fatigue due to its light weight. Mine are razor sharp Ontario 1095 and the edge roles constantly so they are used for light brush clearing and pruning in the yard only.

The north was conquered with stout knives and axes for a reason.

My 3 cents

Skam
 
you never do:D:thumbup:

I just find it more than a little disingenuous when people court Special Forces/Special Operations Community contact until it doesn't go their way and then they shoot down the very same people they would otherwise prop up as "real users."

I think that's plain to see...and I think it is B.S.

If you think you are winning whatever "debate" might be going on with that line of thought, you're sadly mistaken. Sure, among the Denny Crane - Allan Shore - Scotch & Cigar Circus Feel you have going, you're winning. Everyone else just thinks you're full of crap at this point. :D
 
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