What's so special about the Busses?

[MORIMOTOM]

I do agree with what you said, but I have a custom CQC 10 and a Mayo in my EDC rotation.

we are probably the minority,

i have a unique graphic sebbie and lightfoot 458 mag in my edc rotation.

id love to get a custom eki and a mayo!! id use them, but that certainly doesnt mean i think everyone should just because they own them.

 

[Bkultra]

We are all members of this knife forum, I think its safe to say we are all collectors in some way. Some of us collect users and other prefer to collect safe queens. It comes down to personal preference and I am not in the habit of telling others how they should live or spend their money, its a pity that some people here are.

 

[SkunkWerX]

That works ok as long as you are cutting away from you but turn the knife around in your hand and the choil is really in the way.

Chris, I honestly do not understand what you are saying?

If I turn the knife around in my hand the blade is pointing at me?


Let me try this again, instead of holding the handle traditionally, I "choke up" so that my index finger is in the choil, and my thumb is on the spine, forward of the scales.
My thumb provides the down pressure, and my index finger provides the control. It makes the distance from your hand to the tip of the knife shorter, hence the control you would get with a shorter knife.

I can and do cut toward myself, or as I would call it a "slice" , like carving a steak or scoring a piece of linoleum.

You were never a fan of a larger knife, so, I can see why a choil would seem unecessary to you. I wouldn't want a choil on my Moras, I wouldn't see a purpose in it, but, even if they had one, I really don't think it would bother me one way or the other.

Again, it's whatever everyone is accustomed to, it's not a make or break proposition.

I'm not trying to force the choil, or absence of one, on you.

Certain knives work well with a choil, other knives don't need them, they would be superfluous.

 

[runningboar]

If I turn the knife around in my hand the blade is pointing at me?

Skunk,
That is exactly what I am saying, depending on what I am doing or making I want to be able to do that, cutting a notch for example or trigger for a twitch up. I use razor sharp knives and am not talking about exerting a great amount of force towards yourself but I have more control with the edge closer to the handle. Take sharpening a pencil, the first cuts I make will be away from me but if I really want a fine point I will use the part of the blade close to the grip and cut towards myself.

I am not a big knife guy and usually only have a 3 or 4" knife and a pocket knife. These guys talking about a edc rotation, I pretty much carry the same thing all the time. Chris

 

[DOC-CANADA]

Thanks for the link, I like the looks of all the "Street" series, and might throw down some cash. I have an original AFCK in the box that might just go on the bay now.

Sorry but all the acronyms mean nothing to me, the link spells it out, again thanks. Chris

(just bustin' your chops )

Hey Chris, I've been waiting this whole thread for you to come on board and what happened? Have you been seduced by the Infi succubus?

I agree, the 'Street' series look good, but I think I prefer one of the thinner 'Active Duty's'.

Doc (still a non-Busse owner)

 

[Cobalt]

First of all not my first posting, used to have a different screen name long ago, Ranger288. And was a regular poster on Bladeforums and Busse forum. But the email server I used at that time I have no more, so had to start a new user name a year ago. ANd have not had much time to post over the last year or two. Second, I would not consider it being a troll, when I am just pointing out some of my experiences on Busse knives and regarding to many other post about them. That is one thing I realized about Busse knives, while I stated they do have some uses and good designs, but the "Cult" of following Busse, gets to where many Busse collectors are so wrapped up in them, can not even discuss the merits or agree that they may not be the best. It is like a religion almost.

And as for working in Cambodia. Well, the US military is still very active in Cambodia. Special Forces ODAs and other military special operations units continue to travel to Cambodia to conduct training courses for the Cambodian military. There are also still MIA recovery operations going on, that are joint US/Cambodian. Als0 many joint US Military and US NGO ordnance/mine disposal operations. As for me, I worked in Cambodia for 9 months as a Project Manager for a Wildlife Conservation Law Enforcement Project and then also spent 3 months working in Cambodia on a US State Department Ordnance Disposal Project.

There are a lot better knives out there to get the Job done than Busse. If you want a crow bar buy a crow bar, or get a good axe, or Khuk if you want something to chop with. Busses are great for collecting, but IMHO not the best for actual field operations. And as for bringing up my military background, without being too specific, I brought that up to refute the argument I always see about how there are all these Military Spec Ops units using Busse knives or all these "Secret" units having them made for them. Lets see some documentation? I am just stating that in over 11 years of working with the US Military Sepcial Operations community, I have never seen any Busse knives and when I did have mine, no one else had even heard of Busse knives. Knives are not classified military equipement,and either are units that may have the knives. Specific missions are the only things that are classified. Now, there may be a few individuals within the Military who use Busse knives. And a good 5" blade may have some practical applications. (personally though what one needs is a good folding knife, a good multitool, and depending on the location a good small axe or machete or E-Tool type blade may come in handy. For a fixed blade, stick with issue Bayonet. And since you have that, why do you want an additional fixed blade? Just more crap to strap to your gear)

But hey, I must be a Troll for stepping on the Holy Busse Ground, and after having owned and used around 8 differnet Busses, realizing they are not the best for cutting, skinning, chopping etc. And besides, as one previous poster posted, who wants to buy a knife that does not even come with a Sheath? Runningboar, if you want a great skinning knive, check out some of the offerings from Dozier, Chris Reeve, Randall, Wilson Tactical, etc.. Some great designs and very sharp cutting without that nasty black textured coating that Busse uses. Or if you are are set on getting a Busse, get one with a 3/16th blade and no coating. And agree with Elen above, the Choil is pretty useless and does just get in the way, especially when cutting rope or skinning. Kuribo, I think a lot of the designs you mention are more for looks than practicality, and my guess is most of the cultish Busse owners are more for collecting (which is OK) than actually using them everyday out in the wilderness.

Ranger288 ? Ok, I remember you now. Wow, what a change of heart..I remember you posting so much user stuff about busses before

Like:

I have been serving overseas now with a Special Forces team for the last year (kuwait, afganistan, kosovo) and have unfortunately been ill equipped as far as blades go. I can attest to the importance a good blade offers and the comforting feeling it gives when it is strapped to your gear. I had to leave pretty quick and did not get around to getting a decent knife-so just deployed with a spyderco and my bayonet. Well, finally, after much comparing, and first getting some bills paid off--I decided on Busse. Good reputation and solid blades. I was very impressed in talking with Jerry Busse himself concering my orders and knife needs and his understanding of how I quickly needed the blades due to my current situation. (also a thumbs up for Blade Babes service!) I am so far very pleased with this company's dedication, quality, and designs and look forward to posting some pics when my knives arrive. These knives will definately be getting a workout!! God Bless, Chadwick (now if I could just trade in my beretta for a glock and my M-4 for a M-14-life would be perfect!!) Oh, and Jerry, the gift from Serbia I promised you is being mailed tommorrow (hush, hush)

Hey guys,
just got back from refining my demolitions skills today. Put my BUsse BAe thru its first real test. Cut open bands on Detonation cord crates, opened wire fasteners on ammo cans holding blasting caps, cut C-4 M112 plastic explosives blocks, cut a couple branches to run thru shock tube spools, cut tape, cut det cord, dug a hole to bury some 1/4 lbs blocks of TNT to blow a large rock, threatned a team mate with it, used the back end to pound explosives into a tube, etc... Worked great, a sharpend crow bar. Team mates were impressed that I actually used it to cut a metal band on the det cord crate and that there was no damage to the knife! THe only thing it did not do well, was cut the det cord when I was holding it in a loop in my hand. BUt det cord is very slippery palstic and I have had problems with all knives before cutting it also, so that is why I always use my crimper pliers to cut it. But, when I put the det cord on a rock or piece of wood and then cut with the BAe-no problem!! THe knife was outstanding!!! Was trying to really abuse it and see what it would do today. A great 5" blade. A real rugged field knife!!

I have sent Eric a photo of today with the BAe and C-4 and asked him to post it here for me-so watch out for it.

Well, got some good news. It seems my team is finally getting releived very shortly and getting to go back home to the USA! It has been a long time, 13 months. But have got to do a lot of travel, had some really good adventures and also have seen some bad things I wish to forget about. In the last year I have been to Afghanistan, Kuwait, Oman, Thailand, Veitnam, Kosovo, Serbia, Macedonia, Bulgaria and two other places. I have really enjoyed the BUSSE FOrum as it has kept me occupied between missions and provided humor over the last couple of months. I have been very impressed the Busse Combat and it was good to know I had a dependaple blade by my side the last several months.

I am going to celebrate coming home with a hunting trip to South Africa. Hope to get some good trophies. Actually invited by another KnifeMaker whose folders I use (don't worry he only makes folders-no fixed blades, I'll stick with Busse for that!) Will probably have my BM and NO ZT accompany me! Then after that I am going to Hong Kong to visit my brother and then to Thailand to visit a friend. And then it is back to Indiana and the Fire Dept. Hopefully will not get called up again for at least 6 months.

Thanks again, I will still be visiting the Forums as often as I can.

I am currently serving overseas on a Special Forces Team. I have been carrying and using a Busse Badger Attack E model and also now using my new BUsse Active Duty. Another teammember bought one of my New Busse Natural Outlaws off of me and he uses it all the time, and another teammember bought the Badger Attack III off of me and he carries it with him. So out of my 9 man speical forces team, 1/3 of us are carrying and using Busses.

What I like about the Busses is their ruggedness and also you are not afraid to beat the hell out of them as they are covered by one of the best , if not the best, knife company warranties. (the way they are built you will probably never need to use the warranty).

There are a few other knife brands I like as well, and I like having a nice diversified collection. But if I can only take one knife with me in a severe combat situation then I would take one of my BUSSEs.

Just had to express again how impressed I have been with BUsse Knives and the BUSSE COMBAT Company. Really rugged users. It is enjoyable to collect, trade, use, buy and sell BUSSEs. (almost as fun as collecting Glocks!!) I am currently using/keeping my BM ZT, NO ZT, BAe, and AD. Probably will buy one or two off the new line to round out my collection. Does anyone know if the new line will have a new version of PAul's Hatchet or something similiar? Well, hope everybody is having a great weekend. Packing up to get ready to come home myself. Kind of bored right now, so thought I would post and ramble on! Well, hope everyone is getting plenty of use out of their BUSSE Knives!!

This really upsets me to see some scumbag abusing the same knifemakers who have been so generous to myself and other soldiers.

I just got back from basically spending 13 months on active duty, 11 of those in hostile fire zones. I was very fortunate to have three different knife companies express and/or give me military discounts on my orders. What upsets me is that those who abuse this will then hurt those of us who are actually serving overseas. Chris Reeve Knives has had some problems with this in the past of those claiming to be military ripping of CRK military discount. Becoause of that CRK discontinued their military discount for awhile, but over a year ago restarted it. They require a copy of buyers military ID and one other additional document to be sent to verify now and then they keep on record. I also ordered a Randall KNife, which the Orlando shop had to me in 2 weeks!!! Really beats the 3.5 year wait! But, again, they will only do that fast of an express order to an overseas APO Address with a military address so they know it is real. BUsse COmbat and Jerry Busse and their customer service rep. KAssi Glock (with a last name like that, you know she is a Godsend!)Have been so nice and helpful to my self and other service members. Jerry is so giving to the military it pains me to see his generosity taken advantage of. THose BUsse knives are really tough and I used several of them quite hard and carried on me two others, but never used them-but it was nice to know I had a knife that fit the bill if needed and came from a maker who was supportive, generous to the military and stood by his product. I would persuade knifemakers to ask for copies of military ID and orders to give discounts and priority shipping and also ship only to military addresses for those to recieve the discount or express shipping. If they can not produce the documents or address they are false! And don';t ever go for that BS about "well, I am on a special ops team (green beret, SEAL, ranger, etc..) and all that info is classified. BS!!! MIssions are classified, activation orders, unit addresses, ID card copies, DD 214s, etc.. are not classified. Thanks again RMK, BUSSE, and CRKs.

 

[valleytinworks]

leave it to cobalt to dig thru the archives...... gotta love it

 

[westllen]

wow a lot of reading! ...very interesting! very interesting indeed!

thanks,

 

[skammer]

Ouch!!

Kinda owned on that one. Note to self ummm, remember what you posted years ago.

Skam

 

[leopardprey]

I stand by what I previously posted. As I said, Busse are good designs and are tough knives, can be used as a crow bar if needed. But, also if you noticed in first post stated they were not that good at cutting things like det cord or rope. Found out after using them that other knives were actually much better.

After using Busses for awhile, while again they are nice knives, believe there is much hype to them. Other knives I have used over the years cut much better. I found out as I posted, that the BM was pretty much worthless for chopping and cutting compared to a Cold Steel Khuk or HI Kkuk. Not much energy in the chop as far as blades go for the design, and found the handle shape not to be too comfortable.

Will stand by also, one of the reasons I stopped posting on the Busse Forums is it did seem to start getting too Cultish. Maybe that has changed over the years? Seemed like many there do not accept any subjective criticsm of their Busse knives. Just like this Thread, about are Busses worth it? Some one disagrees and gives arguments why and instead of debate, the Fangs of the Busse Internet Loyal come out! LOL LOL

Again I think Busses are great if you got the cash and want to be a collector, but for field use there are better. Also note, the members who had Busses on my team, from the original post came to the same conclusions and sold their Busses as well. Now, I again kept my NO ZT as it was a pretty good knife with the 5.5 inch blade and the thinner 3/16 blade and no crinkle coat, so it does cut better and has a great design.

The old post you had from me are over 4 years old, so over time and useage of knives came to realize better out there. I will take my Chris Reeves or my Randall #15 over a Busse anyday. Have used those even more than the Busses and performed better for the tasks I needed them for. Again, hard to justify a Busse knife when it is difficult to cut Det cord, rope with unless putting it on a wood and applying a lot of pressure. Where my Benchmades or Chris Reeve will go right through it.

I think from a lot of my original post, you pay the big bucks for a Busse after reading all the hype, play the waiting game and then get the knives and find out it they are not all they are cracked up to be. So you try to justify that it is still a great knive and deal with it. But then you get some other really good knives and use them and realize and come to the conclusion that Busses are not top dog. So you sell off the Busses. Reviews of knives or other products written right after the purchase usually are not as subjective. What happens over time? Do the knives stand the test of time? Are one's thoughts still the same after the knife or other product has gone through many tests and the newness has worn off? For me Busses just did not do it, except the Zero Tolerance NO. (now Chris Reeve, Randalls, and ADVs, and Khuks I have had as long or longer than Busse and I still keep and use, so that is maybe saying something)

The one good thing about selling off the Busses, I did not loose any money but instead broke even. Also from one of my old post you noticed that I stated I was going to South Africa for a hunt. Brought two of my Busses along (BA and Pauls Hatchet) and tried it skinning, and really it did not do that good of job. Fortunate though, that I was hunting with a South African Knivemaker, Andre Devilliers, who made two very nice custom folders for me. They are super tough and slice through fur and flesh like butter. (I still have both of those and use them continually as well).

Now I will say this about Jerry Busse, is that he has come up with some really good designs and is a skilled Bussiness man, turning customers into almost cultish followers, selling knives without sheaths, putting out only limited qualities and for short times, etc.. He is definately taking it all to the bank (and probably laughing on the way there), so you got to admire him for that and doing well in his bussiness (Plus he is a pretty nice good all around guy)

And as for the Busse I kept, the Zero Tolerance Natural Outlaw with custom sheath by Leatherman. But, will have to say this (for all you Busse Fanatics), it is one of my favorites, and actually carried it with me during one of my tours in Iraq, and will never sell it. I just wish Busse would take his INFI steel and make more like the ZT and redesign his Larger Blades like the BM to have a Khurki type angle for better chopping, and make a better handle conducive to shopping. And get rid of those blade coatings and the Choil which does get in the way.

 

[runningboar]

(just bustin' your chops )

Hey Chris, I've been waiting this whole thread for you to come on board and what happened? Have you been seduced by the Infi succubus?

I agree, the 'Street' series look good, but I think I prefer one of the thinner 'Active Duty's'.

Doc (still a non-Busse owner)

Guess I should have said busse acronyms.

Yeah I am definitely seduced, I am also in lust with charcoal grey nissan 350Zs, Jaime Pressly and Perazzi shotguns but I don't think I will be getting any of those anytime soon either. Chris

 

[Elen]

This is no attempt to flame, guys, so let's keep our heads cool. I like Busses, and I use 'em. To do crazy things, mostly. :thumbup:

I really want to see someone explain how a choil (an actual void for placing the finger) gets in the way. I understand the complaint of losing some edge, but actually getting in the way sounds kind of like user error.

No, it's not user error. And it's easy to notice, too. First, take a completely choilless knife, like, say, a basic Finnish puukko. And then take a Busse of somewhat similar size that has a choil. Now, hold the knife by the handle (note to all: the handle is the part of the knife that you're supposed to hold, being ergonomically designed for your hand - the blade on the other hand is the cutting part, which you're not supposed to hold), and make a drawing cut across nearly any even slightly soft material. Bam, with the knife that has a choil, the material will get stuck in the choil at the end of the cut, unless you're very careful not to cut that far.

But that's not the worst part. Hold the knife by the handle, and make all manner of precise cuts, perhaps try to carve a fork out of a piece of wood or anything that takes more precision than hacking and chopping. Which part of the edge is best for this? That's right, the one right next to your hand, because that allows for best balance (assuming a small to medium size knife, a large chopper will be able to benefit from a choil to move the balance to a better direction), allows you to exert the most force, and gives you the best control. Too bad that with a knife that has a choil, there's nothing right next to your hand except a huge, dull, unsharpened hole that will certainly not cut anything. With a knife that has no choil, you can do much more precise work. But hey, someone says, that's what the choil is for, to "choke up on"! But in the real world, there's absolutely no reason to need a choil to choke up on if the knife has been designed properly - that is, if there's cutting edge right next to the handle, where the best control is. But sure, let's choke up on the choil. Now there's cutting edge right next to our hand, and we get better control again. Satisfied? No, we're not. The ergonomics of the knife, when choking up on the choil, are absolutely horrifying compared to holding a blade by the handle. And to top the fun off, the choil is of course made of metal. If you guys want to do something that isn't any fun, try doing some precise work for say ten minutes in cold weather, using that choil for grip. You'll have frostbite in your choil finger in an instant, if it won't outright freeze tight to the metal and get stuck, and the ergonomics are awful to use for that long. The handle provides much better ergonomics, and best of all, the handle isn't metal (at least not in knives designed for cold weather) so your hand won't freeze.

Still think small to medium size knives should have a choil after trying that? If you do, I guess there's no more room for debate. To each man his own. Some people are just easily satisfied, or just have plain eccentric preferences.

I love choils, especially the ones the size of my index finger, and especially on a larger knife. The choil allows me to choke up on the knife.

Yeah, I agree that on a large knife (blade of 6" and longer) the choil is useful, provided that the knife is blade heavy. But on a small knife, the choil is both useless and detrimental to performance. The only reasons I can think of why smart knife makers (and Jerry is one, without a doubt) would put a choil on their small knives are making sharpening a little easier for people who really are quite careless when sharpening, and for making the knife look more "tactical."

 

[leopardprey]

Well, said Elen. I found the large choil on the Busses to be a hinderance and get caught up on stuff for the most part. One of the reasons I like Chris Reeve Fixed bladed knives better. And really like Ryan Wilson's designs. (next on my list to get). I realize the large Choil is part of Busse's signature trademark on his knives, and his knives do look good, but would like to see some without the Choil for practical reasons.

 

[Cobalt]

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No fangs here my friend, just confussion. It almost appears to me that your dislike is for the individual, not the knives. So there is more to your story than meets the eye, I am sure, and we'll probably never know. But even though you completely contradict yourself in your old and new postings, there is no hate, I just don't believe anything you say, as I believe there is more to your reason than you are indicating here and you appear to have an agenda, and that is between you and the maker. Oh and I doubt that there is a brand of knife that gets abused more than Busse. :thumbup:

What exactly is it that you own know, since I am sure that is the next step in your process here.:thumbup:

to each his own.

as for choils, the small ones on small knives don't bother me. The big ones on small knives, I do not like and the Lean mean streets dont have it, neither does the game warden. I do love big choils on big knives so I can chokeup and use the knife more accurately

 

[leopardprey]

Cobalt, no agenda and no dislike for anybody that works for Busse. That would be absurd to even think that, as my most recent post point out the admiration I have for Jerry Busse, his designs, and his marketing/bussiness skills. The start of the post was what is so special about Busse and many others posted their likes and dislikes of the brands. So I posted as well, from my experience on what I liked and disliked and why ended up selling all of them but one. Yes, my old post will seem different, but that was 4.5 years ago! After using Busse Knives and others over the last several years, have come to some conclusions about what works and what does not and what is the best. You do have to admit that there segment of Busse owneers that is a real cult/ extreme collectors following of Busse knives that does not like to hear any negative aspects of their knives. Yes, Busses can take a lot of abuse. But, they also I found out do not cut, chop, slice as good as some others.

As to what knives I currently own now:

For folders: Have 2 Sebenzas (both custom wood inlay models), a Benchmade 940, and two Andre Devilleirs (Mako and Advocate) Currently here in Afghan, have one sebenza and the BM940 that I carry.

For Fixed blades have: Randall #15 (my most favorite knife due to the history and the customization and service I got from RMKs personally on this), Busse NO ZT, Chris Reeve Jereboam II (too big to use for any real purposes, but still keep as it is one of his originals made in South Africa back in the early 80s), Chris Reeve "Rhino" Skinner (probably the best designed, rugged and practical skinning-fixed blades outdoor camp knives I have used)

Larger: Cold Steel LTC Khuk (one of the best for work in Jungle environment), and several HI Khuks and several other Khuks I bought in Nepal. I am a big fan of Khukuris, due to their practicality, history and the connections I have with the Ghurkas. GB Axe (very practical)

And of course several Swiss Army Knives and leathermans have collected through the year and get used daily.

 

[skammer]

Guys,

Paragraphs please, my eyes cant take it.

Screw d the English teacher, um I mean lesson.

Skam

Thanks moocho better.

 

[Don Rearic]

As a person gains experience with something, they can change their mind as they make those new discoveries. But, hey, don't let that stand in the way of the B.S.

I know I have changed my mind about some things, I'd hate to think that because I posted on a damned forum, of all things, that I would be wedded to that forever.

 

[Cobalt]

For folders: Have 2 Sebenzas (both custom wood inlay models), a Benchmade 940, and two Andre Devilleirs (Mako and Advocate) Currently here in Afghan, have one sebenza and the BM940 that I carry.

For Fixed blades have: Randall #15 (my most favorite knife due to the history and the customization and service I got from RMKs personally on this), Busse NO ZT, Chris Reeve Jereboam II (too big to use for any real purposes, but still keep as it is one of his originals made in South Africa back in the early 80s), Chris Reeve "Rhino" Skinner (probably the best designed, rugged and practical skinning-fixed blades outdoor camp knives I have used)

Larger: Cold Steel LTC Khuk (one of the best for work in Jungle environment), and several HI Khuks and several other Khuks I bought in Nepal. I am a big fan of Khukuris, due to their practicality, history and the connections I have with the Ghurkas. GB Axe (very practical)

And of course several Swiss Army Knives and leathermans have collected through the year and get used daily.

Fair enough, funny, I use to have three Randall #14's that were stunningly beautiful. I had two Chriss Reeve one piece blades (1 and 2), and I owned many HI Khukuris, along with a slew of cold steel knives. We could have done a trade as I think you would have enjoyed what I had.

I got rid of all of them because my Busses outperformed them all, including the HI khukiris. The busse's flat ground nearly 2 inch wide 1/4 inch thick blade had better cutting geometry than the sabre ground reeves, way better slicing/cutting geometry than any khukuri and about the only blades that could perform on the same level was the cold steel, they just were not durable. I chipped out cold steel carbon V, turned HI's 5160 into a toothy blade on hard materials, yet INFI just rolled along with hardly any wear. I broke off tips on CS, Beckers and other hard use knives, but the busses just continued plugging along. After a while I realized how good those knives were and I got rid of everything else.

You ask how much can they take, well how about 2 cords of wood a year for 5-7 years. My SHBM was the only knife I have EVER had that could go a whole season without needing to be resharpenned in any way. I would blunt all my other blades and that includes some nice knives, including HI, GH, CS, Reeves, Ranger, Katz, Randall, becker, buck, gerber, Tops (anaconda) and many more. The Busse SHBM was eons ahead of all of these in durability and blade geometry and overall performance.

I can see from your point of view how it may not work for you. The durability in a deseert environment is not so much an issue and I think for your use, you would be better off with a leatherman and a shovel.

 

[leopardprey]

Well we all have our experiences. As I stated I sold my Busse BM after working in Cambodia. I found it to chop and cut very slow and the handle was uncomfortable to me, this while cutting bamboo and 2-6 inch diamater wood. Found the HI Khuks and Cold Steel LTC much better. The Khuk style blade lended it self to much easier chopping and cutting through in reduced time compared to the Busses. Plus the handles were better shaped and not as rough on the hands. I want a knife for cutting, if I want to chop I wil take a small axe or a Khuk. If I want a crow bar, I will get a crow bar or a peice of steel pipe. If I want a hammer I will get a hammer! LOL LOL LOL Maybe that is somewhat the issue with Busse, it trys to be a Jack of All trades and a Master of none. Yeah, Busses are hard and tough to break. (just like crow bar that someone grinds a edge on. LOL) But, I have put my HI khuks through hell and have yet to see them break either. Actually most of my Khuk are thicker in the spine than a Busse, and have used the spine edge many a time for hammering or beating on things. For me the perfect combo for the field (jungle or forest area) would be a Chris Reeve Fixed blade, a Khuk, and a multi tool. Find the Choil, on Busse, as stated not very good for a fighting knife. Easily gets hanged up in a combative survival situation. I plan on getting some addtional Chris Reeve Fixed knives (1st SFG(A) limited edition Pacific) and also some Ryan Wilson Fixed knives in the near future. More of what I am looking for. (and BTW, AFghanistan in most areas is actually more forested and mountainous than Desert, but the last several months I do not get outside of the FOBs very much)

And BTW, what's up with the only knife that Busse is selling now on his web page is a small bladed knife shaped after a Scoth Tape Dispensor?

 

[mymindisamob]

I need someone to explain what they mean by "cultish" and the rest of the descriptive words they use in a derogatory fashion in regards to Busse forumites.
Is there a "cult" of friends, a "cult" of football fans? Are soldiers a "cult" of freedom and is my family considered a "cult" because we're passionate about the outdoors? Are the folks in the Wilderness and Survival Skills "cultish" because they are always discussing B.O.B.s or kits, and defend their setup if someone criticizes their choices?
Others seem to get defensive as well, but Busse fans are "zealots" and so on when they act likewise? Is it "cultish" to know as much as you can about your choices, and state it when your choices are under speculation?
I really think those comments fit in the same category as teenagers getting mad because the world doesn't see them as individuals.