What's so special about the Busses?

The US Gov or units within the DOD have contracted Busse to manufacture knives for them.

I know Busse is far from the only company to do so, but to a some people, some mall ninjas, some not, something that is milspec is more desirable and can stand up to more abuse than a product that is not.

I cant say thats something I knew before buying my first Busse, but it probably adds to the "hype".

There are better knives for most things I know I will be doing. For situations where I dont know what I could need, I like my GW. And I like knowing that if I should break it, I'll get it replaced.

There arent many knife companies that will replace a knife if you tell them you've used it as a pry bar or thrown it.

I wish they came in a sheath. It drives me crazy that they dont and that there is no pre-set dealer to get them...
 
I fully agree with the sheath comments people are making. There are some available at the store, for GW's and BATAC's, but I haven't seen any others. I don't see why Busse can't offer a basic sheath (spec-ops type) for the knives, available at purchase as an option. Trouble I suppose is that so many are sold to collectors rather than users. They (I imagine) aren't interested.

Still, I learned a new skill; making sheaths!
 
What I want to know is why are their web pages so useless?
the busse page only has that scotch dispenser knife for sale, swamp rat doesnt have any list of products, or information on where to find them, and scrap yard shows the knives, but no way to add them to your "shopping cart"
 
Here is my solution. Robert H. at Survival Sheath Systems made an insert for the Hell Razor. Sorry about th crappy pics...

I use a RTAK sheath for my Battle Mistress.

BTW I don't collect them, I use them. For those interested, search through posts by Tykron Lawson to see them used a lot.
 
+One million for the useless websites!

It took me a year to realize the swamp rat site was dead! (I'd check back every couple of weeks or months thinkin I wanted to try one out...)
 
After reading all this I think that I'm not missing anything if I don't get a Busse. There may be a lot of hype surrounding them. I don't have anything against Busse, but I'd rather spend my money elsewhere. Like I said, Strider, Busse, Tops, etc. I don't think I'm missing out on anything.
 
on_the_edge said:
I agree that having a high price club is not itself sufficient to warrant credibility. However, I think there is credibility in the Busse product as well as a history of use and testing to back it up, regardless of other available brands.
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That's the only reason I am interested in them at all. I am not interested in the chick that Jerry had around Bladeshow back in 2000, although a hottie. :D

I'm not interested in hype and bullshit, there is enough of that to go around for everyone.

I'm interested in what can be accomplished with one besides the birth of multiple trolls in this forum.

At least you seem reasonable and intelligent, assuming you are not the good cop to scammer's bad cop persona. :)

You may find what I am about to say incredible, but if you should find yourself in southern Arizona sometime, you can have your pick of any of my Busse users and try one. And if you won't ever be in AZ, then ask on the Busse forum if anyone lives near you so you can see and handle a Busse for yourself. You may be surprised at the result. And if that doesn't work, PM or e-mail me. :)
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Primarily I am irritated at scammer and others like him who invade threads and shit on other people while thinking that because they do it with a smile that somehow absolves them of their rather childish behavior.

My interest in knives as survival tools is incredibly simple, what can I do with it that is realistic?

When people start talking about chopping rock, concrete or block, my eyes get goopy and sloppy and everything gets fuzzy because that is b u l l s h i t ...

Even The Runaway Bride, the guy that almost resorted to chewing his own arm off, you're not going to pry a gigantic rock off of your trapped arm using a trapped knuckle bone as a fulcrum, eh? All of that is just bullshit talk.

Busse's won't be damaged by exposure to extreme heat like other knives will?

What does a car get to, even in a desert? I mean, a little over 200 degrees perhaps? I have no idea as I know little about the desert but I know a car with the windows up in the summertime, in sunlight, can get over 130 and IIRC, I had a HVAC thermometer in my last car and I do believe it hit 145 on a sunny day in the summer.

It's quite likely that the Busse alongside the Ontario alongside the Spyderco, alongside just about everything else will be just OKAY in those conditions.

If you find a temperature that the Busse will not be hurt by but other knives will, it's quite likely you will DIE if you are also exposed to that environment.

Chucking virgins down active volcanos and whatnot...notwithstanding. :)

Thank you for the offer, that was very nice of you.
 
You're not alone in that either, sirahren. I never could figure out how to buy a Busse/Swamp Rat until I registered for an account here. The Busse site was always showing something wildly impractical for my needs, the company store only seemed to have T-shirts, ball caps and dogtags, I didn't know what was going on with Swamp Rat and I hadn't the slightest idea Scrap Yard even existed. Someone ought to put up a webpage devoted to 'buying your fist Busse Company knife'. It certainly would have spared me a brain aneurysm or two trying to figure out how to buy one.
 
kuribo said:
I could understand why someone might collect custom made knives where each one is unique/one of a kind/art work/ etc., but to get all excited over amassing dozens of the same mass produced knife, well, it seems no different than collecting beanie babies.

In sum, yeah, Busse knives may be excellent, but the fan club is off-putting....
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:thumbup::thumbup:

I'd get a Battle Mistress if they made one with stag scales, but they don't, so screw em.
 
there are lots of things special about busse knives.

there are lots of things special about many knives and their makers.

"better" is almost entirely subjective. some people will spend more for their knives, some will spend less. some busses are very expensive, but so are many other knives.

there's a thread on the sebenza several pages long, with everyone arguing whether or nto its worth the money. who cares? if its worth it to YOU, you will buy one, if not, you wont.

some people dislike the busse forum and what goes on there, most dont. call us names, tell everyone we waste our money and time, whatever.

if people kept coming to your house or business, asking "what's so great here?", it gets old. im as guilty as anyone, sometimes more, of being short when those threads are started in the busse forum. but can anyone really deny it is frustrating to have to constantly try and justify why we buy what we buy? nearly everyone gets the explanation they are looking for, some stay, some go.

but come in with condescending remarks, insults, etc, what is the expected response?

its a tight group for the most part, we have fun with the posts and pics, what's the harm? most are also paying members, the sale forum was separated, what else should be done?
 
People seem to forget this is a KNIFE Forum.. What is wrong with expensive high quality knives?? If people like them, buy them and use them SO WHAT.. I don't agree that they are the be all end all knives, but I also can't stand the people who bash them and give shit to guys who promote their favorite brand of knife..

It seems to me that there are several guys on here that have nothing better to do than make negative coments and be wankers in general..
 
i have bought several busses and have tried them all out. i don't collect knives. i really liked the e-handle knives as they were of a practical design to me and came with an awesome assymetrical edge that was both sharp and tough. the bm-e is one of my favorite large knives only second to my fehrman hoodhunter.

the fusion battle mistress combat grade however was extremely heavy and clumsy. the edge or lack there of was way to thick which i feel is a result from people using the knives for non knife tasks. there would be NO better performance in chopping with the fusion bm over much cheaper knives straight from the factory.

the small busses such as the original lean mean street was also a great knife with a small choil which made for a great edc and camping knife. i also liked the public defender for self defense purposes with the penetrator tip and generation 3 handle.

the new meaner street came with another useless thick edge and a big choil to get in the way. you can't put your finger in it either for a choked up grip which i find both silly and silly looking on a small knife.

overall opinion is get one of the older busses that created the madness before the designs started to reflect it.
 
Don,

I'm guessing you are referring to this comment of mine...

They withstand high heat for long periods without damaging the temper.
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...when you say:

"Busse's won't be damaged by exposure to extreme heat like other knives will?

What does a car get to, even in a desert? I mean, a little over 200 degrees perhaps? I have no idea as I know little about the desert but I know a car with the windows up in the summertime, in sunlight, can get over 130 and IIRC, I had a HVAC thermometer in my last car and I do believe it hit 145 on a sunny day in the summer.

It's quite likely that the Busse alongside the Ontario alongside the Spyderco, alongside just about everything else will be just OKAY in those conditions.

If you find a temperature that the Busse will not be hurt by but other knives will, it's quite likely you will DIE if you are also exposed to that environment.

Chucking virgins down active volcanos and whatnot...notwithstanding.

Thank you for the offer, that was very nice of you."
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Specifically, Jerry Busse has told me in private conversation, and answered publicly on the forum, that his knives made from INFI can withstand ~1,100 Fahrenheit for a little over an hour without damaging the temper. The temper of most carbon steel blades would be ruined by a few minutes exposure to 400-500 degrees (or so I've been told by makers of carbon steel knives). Jerry Busse has said that 400-500 degree heat is pretty harmless to his INFI knives, as I recall.

Is that useful, or not? That depends on a lot of factors, but I don't have any difficulty imagining a scenario where it could come in handy. For example, if someone accidentally dropped their knife in the fire, or just unthinkingly left the knife too close to the fire ring. A Busse knife would probably be fine; many other knives wouldn't. For that matter, you could probably use the Busse as a spit for roasting a marshmallow, or even cooking a piece of meat, without harming it. Or sterilize the blade with a flame, if need be.

That kind of fire resistance may be useless in regard to your needs and uses, but it's not intrinsically useless.
 
The DoD or individual units buying them may or may not be a good endoresement, as I said in my original post, but I'd bet it means that it past some tests and certifications that other knives didn't...

And do these alleged $300 dollar toilet seats come with Lifetime Warrenty's?

I was happy with my purchase after I bought one, and I encourage people to try them before they judge them. They are in many ways like sharp pry bars. Maybe they aren't a fit for what you're looking for. I readily admit they arent the end all, be all of knives or the perfect solution for everyone. Depends what your requirments are.

Lastly, I can assure you its a much better value than the Bear Grylls knife available for $750.
 
Evolute said:
For that matter, you could probably use the Busse as a spit for roasting a marshmallow, or even cooking a piece of meat, without harming it.

That kind of fire resistance may be useless in regard to your needs and uses, but it's not intrinsically useless.
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Since I've never seen a fire grate melt either I'd have to say that heat resistance isn't an important trait for a knife.

If it isn't used, it's useless.
 
on_the_edge said:
Sarcasm mixed with a touch of hostility tends to undermine one's credibility.
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Sun Tzu of the bladeforums eh? Just pointing out the idiocy in the story told, fatalism and pragmatism tinged with experience would seem to be more appropriate. I don't ache for acceptance from people in the chatrooms, with paid memberships or not.

Not alot of others here are answering the original question, what is so special about Busse over Becker. Nothing and 400 dollars in change, thats about it. Can a Busse cut and is pretty? Sure. So are Chris Reeves knives, so are Fehrmans are any of those doing something in the real world that a Becker can't? No.

The rest of this conversation falls under the same useless jibering that the 9mm vs. .45 ACP debate goes into.
 
"Since I've never seen a fire grate melt either I'd have to say that heat resistance isn't an important trait for a knife."
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I do a lot of camping away from car campgrounds, in places with no fire grate. (Though, I actually do not use my knife for cooking.)

"If it isn't used, it's useless."
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To you. I consider preparation for the potential need for a broader scope of use than everyday cutting chores, when in extenuating circumstances, useful.

Tell me, do you have health insurance coverage or car insurance coverage beyond what you've used? If so, would it be fair for me to characterize that you are regularly paying a lot of money for something which is, by your definition, useless?
 
Morimotom,

The problem here is pretty obvious, you guys over the Busse forum have too many nice knives, martinis, cigars, and hot women. Soon you folks will want live in a free, democratic, capitalistic society where men appreciate that kind of crap....
 
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