What's the composition of Sandvik 14C28N?

cotdt said:
OK, but you buy the beer.
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Beer drinker huh? Well I don't do beer, but will get a round or two.

You argue that 14C28N is a better steel than 13C26
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I stated it, but never needed to argue about it.

It is easy for a company to say that a new product is better, without proof.
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Let me get this right, you think it's easy for a company to work with a specific mill on improving an existing steel, investing in that technology in the tune of, well, tons and tons of steel, while paying a premium mind you, all in the name of creating a sub-standard performance product? You've recently raised past threads on the Sandvik steel subject, all the info I or Sandvik is posted there for you or anyone to see.

Sure 14C28N may be more corrosion resistant
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Do you have evidence that it's more corrosion resistant than 13C26? If it was all about corrosion, we would have just dialed into 12C27.

no evidence that it would hold a better edge at the same hardness.
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How do you know there is no evidence?
 
3Guardsmen said:
Maybe he was just taking you and Jerker, the Sandvik rep, at your word?:confused: Are you implying he shouldn't?:rolleyes:
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Ahh 3G, had you figured in on this thread, just so you know.

Nice of you to quote 3 sentences from Jerker & I, and feel that that sums up the entire subject of 14C28N. :thumbup:

This is twice in 3 days Kai USA has been taken to task by members upset that we are not telling all. Good times...

I'm on the fence about the appropriateness of this response btw, (as a rep I mean).
 
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Thomas W said:
Ahh 3G, had you figured in on this thread, just so you know.
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Are you going to ask me if I have evidence of that later, cause I didn't see you post anything about your prediction that I'd wander in?;)

Thomas W said:
Nice of you to quote 3 sentences from Jerker & I, and feel that that sums up the entire subject of 14C28N. :thumbup:
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I'm sorry. Did those "3 sentences" concern the corrosion resistance of 14C28N vs. 13C26, or did they not?:confused: Do you always try to refute facts with sarcasm, or are you now implying that 14C28N has no improved corrosion resistance over 13C26?:confused:

Thomas W said:
This is twice in 3 days Kai USA has been taken to task by members upset that we are not telling all. Good times...
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I could care less what you "tell," so long as when you "tell" it, you admit you "told" it. Does 14C28N have improved corrosion resistance over 13C26, or does it not?

Thomas W said:
I'm on the fence about the appropriateness of this response btw, (as a rep I mean).
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I can understand that. I mean, you didn't really clarify anything.:rolleyes:
 
Thomas W may have misconstrued his thoughts when he asked for that evidence. What I figured as the reason for that response was to say corrosion resistance is improved, but it is not the only thing improved. Asking for evidence does not necessarily point to the person believing the opposite of what was said.

Then again, he may have expressed his thoughts in a 100% accurate, concise way. Iunno.
 
A_Blade_Afficionado said:
I've been more than impressed with Sandvik steel in my EDC uses. It's not a super steel
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I think we should change our definition of "super steel." 13C26 and 14C28N are only counted out if your definition of "super steel" means high wear resistance. There seem to be different definitions of super steel for carbon steels and stainless steels. With carbon steels, low wear resistance grades like 52100 are praised as super, where with stainless steels it's not super unless it has at least as much wear resistance as S30V. 13C26 and 14C28N are much closer in their properties to the "super" carbon steels: high toughness, ease of sharpening, edge stability, etc. with the benefits of corrosion resistance as well.

Edit: And for my two cents, 14C28N is definitely not a downgrade. If I was smart enough to design a steel for their customer base and manufacturing process, 14C28N would have been it.
 
Ah 3G, you just win us over with your quick wit and super-sharp internet skillz. :thumbup:
 
2brothers said:
Yeah, you're just like totally awesome. Good job! :thumbup:
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You're sarcasm (sig line included) is noted, but it does nothing to support the question of whether 14C28N is actually an improvement over 13C26. I thought it was supposed to be, primarily in the area of corrosion resistance, at least according to what Thomas and Jerker had previously posted, but I'm starting to have doubts, with the rusting I experienced with my Zing and what Thomas asked Cotd in post # 22.
 
3Guardsmen said:
Maybe he was just taking you and Jerker, the Sandvik rep, at your word?:confused: Are you implying he shouldn't?:rolleyes:
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3Guardsmen said:
You're sarcasm (sig line included) is noted, but it does nothing to support the question of whether 14C28N is actually an improvement over 13C26. I thought it was supposed to be, primarily in the area of corrosion resistance, at least according to what Thomas and Jerker had previously posted, but I'm starting to have doubts, with the rusting I experienced with my Zing and what Thomas asked Cotd in post # 22.
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Well, then quit using the sarcasm. Your first post in this thread ends with a :rolleyes:
which is typical of most of your responses when you jump into a thread to pot-stir.

There are a few lines in my sig and only one has sarcasm attached. ;)
Try to read a little closer next time.
 
2brothers said:
Well, then quit using the sarcasm. Your first post in this thread ends with a :rolleyes:
which is typical of most of your responses when you jump into a thread to pot-stir.
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I have no intention of quitting my use of sarcasm. I was merely pointing out that your trolling posts contained only sarcasm, and had nothing of value to add to the question I asked Thomas, which he didn't answer, and the discussion about 14C28N. Read a little closer next time.;)

2brothers said:
There are a few lines in my sig and only one has sarcasm attached. ;)
Try to read a little closer next time.
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There are two lines in your sig line, which constitutes 'a couple,' not "a few," and I didn't make mention of which one I was referring to. Read a little closer next time.;)
 
" Kershaw Mafia: Sonny

Pot-Stirrer Troll. I'll give you 3Guesses
I.P "They're spotting the trolls since 1988" "
Looks like three lines, not two. What are you reading 3G?
 
cotdt said:
Sure 14C28N may be more corrosion resistant
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Thomas W said:
Do you have evidence that it's more corrosion resistant than 13C26? If it was all about corrosion, we would have just dialed into 12C27.
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3Guardsmen said:
Maybe he was just taking you and Jerker, the Sandvik rep, at your word?:confused: Are you implying he shouldn't?:rolleyes:
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Thomas W said:
Nice of you to quote 3 sentences from Jerker & I, and feel that that sums up the entire subject of 14C28N. :thumbup:
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Take notice of how the issue being discussed was the corrosion resistance of 14C28N. I provided links, in my post, to where Thomas and Jerker from Sandvik made mention of improved corrosion resistance in 14C28N vs. 13C26. Take notice of how Thomas, in his attempt to shift the direction of the discussion, changes the scope to the entire subject of 14C28N. Apparently, there is a push to move the conversation away from the claims of 14C28N's improved corrosion resistance over 13C26.

Hard to debate a topic when people want to change the scope of the conversation!
 
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