whats the deal

[shinyedges]

Upon further thinking, I love knives fellow knife lovers.. carry on

 

[PatrickKnight]

Honestly most true knife lovers can recognize that Busses truly are some of the very best hard use knives you can buy, the problem is most of them like to think that the knives they have are at the same level. Myself for example I love my ESEE knives however I am not so blind to think 1095 is as durable as INFI and saying so is just wrong. Each steel has its trade offs INFI just has less than most.

 

[shinyedges]

I agree completely, how can someone think 1095 is as durable as infi if they have never owned and used a busse knife?I owned and used a becker bk2 for last 2 years and found bladeforums because of the bk2... and even though i now own an ASH-1 i still like the bk2 but there is a clear difference between 1095cv and infi steel that only someone who owns and uses both will be able to see.Denying this is simply ignorant.

Honestly most true knife lovers can recognize that Busses truly are some of the very best hard use knives you can buy, the problem is most of them like to think that the knives they have are at the same level. Myself for example I love my ESEE knives however I am not so blind to think 1095 is as durable as INFI and saying so is just wrong. Each steel has its trade offs INFI just has less than most.

 

[leatherman]

First off, the terms "fan boy" and "butt hurt" are great ways to start a defensive argument and are not ways to discuss an issue.

Second, There are several brands that always and I mean always start the haters to hating. Busse is one of them but is among a large crowd.

Third, going to someone's house and disparaging their choices is always going to end badly, this is the number one reason that Busse gets an automatic bad reaction. Dont forget, Busse has "fan boys" too, through the years I've seen them get into some pretty good arguments.

Lastly, just roll with the flow, dont go into others houses and say your Ford is better than their Chevy and not expect a debate. Instead of joining in the fight, just click the back button. So much easier that way. Never assume your in a "safe house" here. Most of us are multi brand collectors and will not understand your position. I have almost as many Beckers, ESEE, and other brands as I do Busse, but the monetary investment in Busse is so much higher its almost silly.

Just sold a Busse to get into another Busse, and thats ok, if I wanted to sell a Busse to get a few Beckers, thats my choice. And ya know what, done it before and I'll probably do it again. I'm a fan of all things sharp, there are simply too many out there to limit yourself to just one brand.

 

[plue]

First off, the terms "fan boy" and "butt hurt" are great ways to start a defensive argument and are not ways to discuss an issue.

Second, There are several brands that always and I mean always start the haters to hating. Busse is one of them but is among a large crowd.

Third, going to someone's house and disparaging their choices is always going to end badly, this is the number one reason that Busse gets an automatic bad reaction. Dont forget, Busse has "fan boys" too, through the years I've seen them get into some pretty good arguments.

Lastly, just roll with the flow, dont go into others houses and say your Ford is better than their Chevy and not expect a debate. Instead of joining in the fight, just click the back button. So much easier that way. Never assume your in a "safe house" here. Most of us are multi brand collectors and will not understand your position. I have almost as many Beckers, ESEE, and other brands as I do Busse, but the monetary investment in Busse is so much higher its almost silly.

Just sold a Busse to get into another Busse, and thats ok, if I wanted to sell a Busse to get a few Beckers, thats my choice. And ya know what, done it before and I'll probably do it again. I'm a fan of all things sharp, there are simply too many out there to limit yourself to just one brand.

Agreed.

OP, I haven't read your previous posts, but there's a difference between discussing usage/experiences and stating "busse is bettar then becker ur butthurt". I think it's easy to ruffle people's feathers if your posts come across as jabs at knives and not as constructive discussion.

 

[shinyedges]

Its not about brands or companies this is about infi out performing 1095.My bk2 and 11 served me well before i ever owned a piece of infi and they continue to do so, im not a busse only guy as a matter of fact ive stated this several times.So perhaps you dont understand my position if you think this is about becker vs busse. And comparing ford and chevy to 1095 and infi is the wrong analogy because there's no question as to which is superior or do you believe 1095 is superior? There is a clear winner. I didnt and dont want this to be an argument about brands I wanted to know why stating a fact that infi would have survived where 1095 failed.. So stating a fact in "their" house got me called a troll lol Do you disagree with the fact that infi is superior? I believe there is a sticky called infi superiority.

First off, the terms "fan boy" and "butt hurt" are great ways to start a defensive argument and are not ways to discuss an issue.

Second, There are several brands that always and I mean always start the haters to hating. Busse is one of them but is among a large crowd.

Third, going to someone's house and disparaging their choices is always going to end badly, this is the number one reason that Busse gets an automatic bad reaction. Dont forget, Busse has "fan boys" too, through the years I've seen them get into some pretty good arguments.

Lastly, just roll with the flow, dont go into others houses and say your Ford is better than their Chevy and not expect a debate. Instead of joining in the fight, just click the back button. So much easier that way. Never assume your in a "safe house" here. Most of us are multi brand collectors and will not understand your position. I have almost as many Beckers, ESEE, and other brands as I do Busse, but the monetary investment in Busse is so much higher its almost silly.

Just sold a Busse to get into another Busse, and thats ok, if I wanted to sell a Busse to get a few Beckers, thats my choice. And ya know what, done it before and I'll probably do it again. I'm a fan of all things sharp, there are simply too many out there to limit yourself to just one brand.

 

[shinyedges]

Im stating infi is better than 1095 not busse is better than becker.. there are many many companies that use 1095 becker, esee, schrade just to name a few and no matter what shape size or name 1095 is given it will never be infi. I apologize for the confusion i just dont see why feathers are rufled by the truth.

Agreed.

OP, I haven't read your previous posts, but there's a difference between discussing usage/experiences and stating "busse is bettar then becker ur butthurt". I think it's easy to ruffle people's feathers if your posts come across as jabs at knives and not as constructive discussion.

 

[jfever311]

Microtech does the same thing to people. Just the mention of their knives brings "haters" out of the woodwork. I personally consider Microtech knives to be the bees knees of the automatic knife world, with Protech a close second. Where MT beats them all though is the refinement of the designs. They have been doing this for a long time now, and they have probably spent more on R&D on their knives than most other companies combined. All that extra effort pays off, even if the owner might be a bit of a......

 

[shinyedges]

It seems like saying INFI is superior is taboo around here and im not sure why.. INFI is freaking amazing use a knife made in 1095 to go through bone and use a knife made in INFI and youll see the difference that i see. Mr.Busse has a wonderful steel that i appreciate being able to use. I would think in the busse forum there would be more love for how awesome INFI is. I guess i'm just really impressed lol

 

[jfever311]

It all boils down to how excited you get over a knife. My wife, and others in my family, think I am full retard for spending $500 on a knife.

So this infi is pretty good stuff. That being said, I have an older MT Socom Elite in boring ole' 154 CM that I've pounded through nails, pried 2x4's apart with, and basically freaking abused the heck out of. It is a combo of good steel, superb tempering for a particular application, and the right blade geometry for that application. Jerry Busse has all three covered with most of the designs. Some might be a bit novel, but every maker has such designs. They just fulfil the cool factor that us guys love so much, and we'll lay down the Benjamin’s for them. Well, at least I will.

 

[shinyedges]

I am a user of steels, and on this journey I take notice of each steels qualities..strengths and weaknesses.Regardless of price INFI survives where other steels fail. I can appreciate the steel.

It all boils down to how excited you get over a knife. My wife, and others in my family, think I am full retard for spending $500 on a knife.

So this infi is pretty good stuff. That being said, I have an older MT Socom Elite in boring ole' 154 CM that I've pounded through nails, pried 2x4's apart with, and basically freaking abused the heck out of. It is a combo of good steel, superb tempering for a particular application, and the right blade geometry for that application. Jerry Busse has all three covered with most of the designs. Some might be a bit novel, but every maker has such designs. They just fulfil the cool factor that us guys love so much, and we'll lay down the Benjamin’s for them. Well, at least I will.

 

[resinguy]

To state that INFI would have survived some situation is not a verifiable fact, it is an opinion. You may well have a great deal of experience that leads you to state such an opinion, but until the INFI blade is subjected to the same conditions that caused a 1095 blade to fail, and demonstrated that the INFI survived, you still don't have a fact. If you want to compare CHARPY impact numbers of different steels, or some other defined and measurable quality, then those are facts.

 

[leatherman]

My point is, dont worry about it. Every big maker has its haters and super fans. Both on the extreme sides of their fandom. Its best not to argue with either side as you wont get anywhere.

No knife is the end all best at everything, some are too expensive, some are too brittle, some are too soft, each one is not the best at another specialty. Some are good all arounders, not best, but good.

super fans are in every section of the knife world, actually in every section of every world. Those who dont understand why someone would not choose their favorite brand or make.

If I was left with a simple carbon steel butcher knife as my only means of cutting, ya know, I'd be just fine. But given the choice of what I have, my Steel Heart E handle would be my choice, but thats not everyones choice. Do I say they are wrong? no. A simple wood handled Mora would do me fine, but an Active Duty would be my ultimate choice. A Douk Douk would serve me for years, but, well OK Busse doesn't have a folder, sue me. People would hate on me for making choices from what I have on hand, yes. Some people go on price, some go on performance, some go on if its hand made or not, some just choose the best they can afford and move on. Others seem to hate that which they cannot afford simply because they cannot afford it.

This I have learned through the past life of collecting through nearly 50 years, then being tossed into the internet and a much wider audience.

 

[shinyedges]

Agreed its not a fact, batoning with the poll of an axe to split a log caused the knife to split in half..Do you believe INFI will do the same? I havent come across INFI failing under similar circumstances.I m comparing real world uses to justify the statement that INFI is superior. After spending many hours hand sharpening every imperfection out of my 1095 blades I can say INFI takes less damage doing the same task. The sticky i believe should take care of enough proof.

To state that INFI would have survived some situation is not a verifiable fact, it is an opinion. You may well have a great deal of experience that leads you to state such an opinion, but until the INFI blade is subjected to the same conditions that caused a 1095 blade to fail, and demonstrated that the INFI survived, you still don't have a fact. If you want to compare CHARPY impact numbers of different steels, or some other defined and measurable quality, then those are facts.

 

[leatherman]

Steel on Steel no one wins. Especially a hammer (yes, the hammer poll of an axe) will quickly deform and cause stress fractures in even the best steels. Look up the fellow who hammered a Busse into a cinder block. It didn't end well. But, nice thing about Busse, it was covered even though he could have easily said it was intentional damage.

 

[shinyedges]

Good post sir, I know Ive come off different than i wanted to. I like knives and the steels that make them up so learning the attributes of each steel is a hobby of mine. Didnt mean to ruffle feathers just thought others could tell the large difference between the 2 steels.

The guy who hammered his skeleton key into a cinder block kicked his knife causing it to bend 90 degrees. Mr.busse took care of him anyway which was amazing not many manufacturers support hard use of there knives the way he does. Which was part of the reason i bought a busse even though ill probably never use the warranty.

My point is, dont worry about it. Every big maker has its haters and super fans. Both on the extreme sides of their fandom. Its best not to argue with either side as you wont get anywhere.

No knife is the end all best at everything, some are too expensive, some are too brittle, some are too soft, each one is not the best at another specialty. Some are good all arounders, not best, but good.

super fans are in every section of the knife world, actually in every section of every world. Those who dont understand why someone would not choose their favorite brand or make.

If I was left with a simple carbon steel butcher knife as my only means of cutting, ya know, I'd be just fine. But given the choice of what I have, my Steel Heart E handle would be my choice, but thats not everyones choice. Do I say they are wrong? no. A simple wood handled Mora would do me fine, but an Active Duty would be my ultimate choice. A Douk Douk would serve me for years, but, well OK Busse doesn't have a folder, sue me. People would hate on me for making choices from what I have on hand, yes. Some people go on price, some go on performance, some go on if its hand made or not, some just choose the best they can afford and move on. Others seem to hate that which they cannot afford simply because they cannot afford it.

This I have learned through the past life of collecting through nearly 50 years, then being tossed into the internet and a much wider audience.

 

[leatherman]

The large difference comes in many ways eh? Impact resistance, versus wear resistance, versus several different criteria. The new Super Steels far out class those in the past couple of years, some will cut seemingly forever but dont try to hammer it through a branch. Some steels out class the impact resistance of others but wont slice through a hemp rope before dulling. Some like INFI will do very well in multiple areas, but is out done by specialty steels, its what we call a multi tasker.

Dont abuse some of these super stainless steels, they are brittle, but so nice for slicing.

Dont try to slice too much with S7 but you can hammer on it all day.

This is why I love knives! So much to choose from for your needs!

 

[shinyedges]

I used my bk2 in 1095cv to clean animals from my farm, camp in the mountains of north carolina and countless other things. It took me hours of work with sand paper to fix edges back to perfection and INFI performs all the same tasks but with much less edge damage saving me time because i dont have to repair as much. But keep in mind my 1095 never failed me and i will stilll use it but I keep in mind ill be repairing edge damage more often. Just wana say thanks for hearing me out I like all that has to do with knives so conversing about them is a pastime to me.

The large difference comes in many ways eh? Impact resistance, versus wear resistance, versus several different criteria. The new Super Steels far out class those in the past couple of years, some will cut seemingly forever but dont try to hammer it through a branch. Some steels out class the impact resistance of others but wont slice through a hemp rope before dulling. Some like INFI will do very well in multiple areas, but is out done by specialty steels, its what we call a multi tasker.

Dont abuse some of these super stainless steels, they are brittle, but so nice for slicing.

Dont try to slice too much with S7 but you can hammer on it all day.

This is why I love knives! So much to choose from for your needs!

 

[Guyon]

First off, the terms "fan boy" and "butt hurt" are great ways to start a defensive argument and are not ways to discuss an issue.

Second, There are several brands that always and I mean always start the haters to hating. Busse is one of them but is among a large crowd.

Third, going to someone's house and disparaging their choices is always going to end badly, this is the number one reason that Busse gets an automatic bad reaction. Dont forget, Busse has "fan boys" too, through the years I've seen them get into some pretty good arguments.

Lastly, just roll with the flow, dont go into others houses and say your Ford is better than their Chevy and not expect a debate. Instead of joining in the fight, just click the back button. So much easier that way. Never assume your in a "safe house" here. Most of us are multi brand collectors and will not understand your position. I have almost as many Beckers, ESEE, and other brands as I do Busse, but the monetary investment in Busse is so much higher its almost silly.

Agreed.

OP, I haven't read your previous posts, but there's a difference between discussing usage/experiences and stating "busse is bettar then becker ur butthurt". I think it's easy to ruffle people's feathers if your posts come across as jabs at knives and not as constructive discussion.

To state that INFI would have survived some situation is not a verifiable fact, it is an opinion. You may well have a great deal of experience that leads you to state such an opinion, but until the INFI blade is subjected to the same conditions that caused a 1095 blade to fail, and demonstrated that the INFI survived, you still don't have a fact. If you want to compare CHARPY impact numbers of different steels, or some other defined and measurable quality, then those are facts.

These guys nailed it, and I appreciate their level-headed posts. Internet or not, it's always best to think about where you are before you say/type something.

 

[shinyedges]

Again is there a rule against speaking about the different breaking points between steels?
What exactly did i say that should have been thought out? That a busse ash-1 would have not snapped in half? I wont censor the truth to make any one feel better..on an internet forum about knives. Thin skin on the internet over knives isnt something id expect from adults especially when its truth being told. Should the proof of busse thread sticky be deleted so theres don't see what a busse can handle without breaking?

These guys nailed it, and I appreciate their level-headed posts. Internet or not, it's always best to think about where you are before you say/type something.