What's the matter with SOG?

Does anybody think the new Warrior looks suspiciously like the old Rekat Hobbit? I know you're going to tell me that's a different situation, but my point is; how often does something absolutely new come along in knife design?
Although in my opinion Sog does try hard to come up with new ideas, some more successful than others. Other than CS they are among the very few companies who make large folders for example. Their Spec-elite II with a 5" blade is a great folder IMO. Are you jackels going to claim that Sog stole their "pentagon" handle , which they used for that knife and several others, from Spyderco as well?
 
Larry Turko said:
Does anybody think the new Warrior looks suspiciously like the old Rekat Hobbit? I know you're going to tell me that's a different situation, but my point is; how often does something absolutely new come along in knife design?
Although in my opinion Sog does try hard to come up with new ideas, some more successful than others. Other than CS they are among the very few companies who make large folders for example. Their Spec-elite II with a 5" blade is a great folder IMO. Are you jackels going to claim that Sog stole their "pentagon" handle , which they used for that knife and several others, from Spyderco as well?
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Are you talking about the Spyderco Warrior?

The Warrior fixed blade is one of the world’s most intriguing combat knives. Based largely on the groundbreaking research of close-combat icon Michael Echanis, the original Warrior was a radical design intended primarily for use with reverse-grip tactics inspired by the Korean martial art of HwaRangDo. Produced in limited quantities by the late Al Mar and later resurrected by the martial artist Bob Taylor and Echnais contemporary Randy Wanner, it is one of the most coveted combat knives ever made.
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It is essentially the same knife, and permission was given to make it I'm assuming.
 
okay, despite liking several of SOG's knives, I have to admit that this 2010 lineup is a joke. First of all they have gone to cheap materials, cheap steel, cr13, and really lame designs. I recently got the SOG Trident in digi camo with black blade and think it is an awesome EDC/tactical folder. It is light weight, sharp as hell, very cool design, great handle and comfortable grip.. on top of this it is so thin and easy to carry.

I hope this release of new products does not stop you from looking into their past designs which were much better, all I can say.. but yowzaa are those 2010 knives ugly and cheap looking :barf:
 
I'm a bit bothered because SOG has put out some quality products, fixed and folding.

When I think of quality fixed blades from SOG, I think of their Tech Bowie, Gov-Tac, Daggert, and Seal Pup product lines.

When I think of quality folding blades from SOG, I think of their Aegis, Trident, Flash, and Tomcat product lines.

IMO all of the above are well designed and well put together products for a competitive price.

But their new offerings don't seem to fall in line with any of those. All the steels are cheaper, all the zytel/plastic looks cheaper. I guess I would have just preferred an evolution of the 2009 products with a few new ones thrown in.

It seems as though I'm not the only one who's disappointed.
 
Come on guys?! You can't blame SOG.

After all, their knives are made in Taiwan, neighbor to China. You can't blame them for copying Spyderco and Benchmade designs right?

I guess their "design team" is now from that region too.
 
Taiwan has nothing to do with the designs that SOG has them manufacture. :confused:

Also, check out the Taiwanese knives available from Spyderco and others--Taiwan is quickly becoming a new cutlery superpower, joining the ranks of the U.S. and Japan.
 
Taiwan is also raising arms for their independence from Communist China...For that reason, I do not consider 'Made in Taiwan' something to avoid at all costs. I prefer USA, but I'll throw them a bone for trying to do something right.
 
I believe the broken hole design is intended to weaken the blades horizontal rigidity. It is my contention that SOG Engineers meticulously hammered out the complex physics of blade flex v. scale breakage. The purpose of the broken hole blade is to create a spring like action, if I may opine.
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This area MUST FLEX to avoid catastrophic failure. Similar to the shock absorbers on your automobile. Without the flex of the shocks springs, the car would break into many, many
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pieces upon impact with a speed bump or pothole.

The broken hole SOG is an engineering marvel, the likes that have not been seen in human history.
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I could be totally wrong too.
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The notch is there so that they can say it's not a Spydie-Hole. The wave feature (advertised) is most likely and afterthought. I'm saying that because for the sole reason it most likely cannot wave without trapping the pocket of the waver. Imagine another piece of metal in front of your emerson type wave, it'll trap the "escaping" pocket.

Stupid. What a lousy reason.
 
Gotta love anything that raises this much cane with the experts:rolleyes:. I will have to try one, or two at that price.:D
 
it's interesting that Chris@Sog has viewed this thread a number of times, but hasn't posted. hmmm. it's not chris's fault of course, but you'd think they'd be making some sort of statement
 
I don't quite understand why all the negative rap about "copying designs". Benchmade 2010 catalog does feature couple knives that resemble those sogs in debate here, and consequently, spydies too.
Bowie knives were copied countless times by countless makers. And in general every basic shape has been copied over and over again. So, SOG or any other maker's Tantos are so entirely unique or what?

And what could Chris post here that'd be productive anyway?

Yeah, I do wish they've used better steel, but that's another story.
 
Gator97 said:
I don't quite understand why all the negative rap about "copying designs".
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Of course you don't, as you're not a knife designer/manufacturer. However, if someone reposted as their own, with only slight modifications, your interactive steel chart, I suspect we'd hear about it.;)

Gator97 said:
Bowie knives were copied countless times by countless makers. And in general every basic shape has been copied over and over again.
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A rather lame and entirely overused argument!
 
3Guardsmen said:
Of course you don't, as you're not a knife designer/manufacturer.
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No, I am not, but there are limits to what can be patented and what not, and that's for a reason. In this particular instance it wasn't a straight copy, and to some extent every knife has common roots with another one.

3Guardsmen said:
However, if someone reposted as their own, with only slight modifications, your interactive steel chart, I suspect we'd hear about it.;)
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Sorry, but you got that wrong. I don't claim that I have invented anything new in the chart. All I did spend a lot of time and a little money to collect and sort the data, and I have used a lot of public and private sources, plus coding. If someone else has done it I wouldn't bother with that myself.
If someone makes another one, why not. I might get the new data from there, and I'll be motivated to improve mine further...


3Guardsmen said:
A rather lame and entirely overused argument!
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This is why I said, it really doesn't make sense for Chris to post here ;)
 
Common roots are one thing, but the Endura design is not as old as the bowie, nor are it's copies as common. The Bowie is now a pattern like a stockman, peanut, or Canadian. The SOG just looks like they took an Endura and tweaked some details to keep the lawers at bay. And the really annoying part is that SOG was going somewhere interesting with their folders. They had their own unique aesthetic and mechanical bits, and now they've gone and sold a Byrd quality knife for Spyderco prices. I think the reason most of these people are posting is because they didn't expect this from SOG.
 
Sounds like the Endura is just a modern classic. I'd be proud to have a design that new join the ranks of the Bowie pattern. :)

has Sal stated anywhere that they DIDNT approve SOGs use of such similar designs?
 
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