What's the thing with Leatherman?

I've left my opinions out of this and im staying nutral but i would just like to say if even if guns were outlawed there are VERY high powered air rifles that people are killing elk with and from the way i understand it we can still keep those. They're so sweet :)
 
choubbi said:
look at afghanistan... everybody there is born with an AK47 in each hand, is it a good thing? if you have watched "bowling for columbine" you see how it can be bad to have weapons without license, as in texas if I remember well. a good balance between too much weapons and not enough would be better, I think. not everyone is sane enough to be allowed to carry a gun, still in my opinion.


after that, Faith is not a quality for me, for a political guy it's more a drawback, religion has nothing to do with politics, and at least in France it has only led to bad things, hopefully religion has no more power in France since 1905, and things are only better now. but for the other qualities, I didn't know, thanks for the info.
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You are taking what I said out of context. I never said people here in the US should be allowed to have AK47's or machine guns for that matter and I never said kids should be allowed to have them and I also never said that everyone here should even be allowed to own guns. I think that citizens who are of age and obey the law should always be allowed to have them. You may not like it or understand it but its a proven fact that when citizens who obey the law own guns the crime rates are lower. Guns are needed because they offer protection not only from criminals but from tyranny. If laws are passed that outlawed guns then only outlaws would have them. It would still be just as easy to get them to. Outlawing them would also surely invite organized crime. Which would be a very bad thing. There are countless examples of stories when guns saved lives, many more than when something bad happened with a gun. The reason people don't hear about those stories as much is because the news is always slanted to the left. But I do agree with you about religion. It absolutely should have nothing to do with politics and I think it generally causes more problems than good. It leaves people thinking in the box and unwilling to look at other people's point of view.
 
I can't speak for my American brethren, but I enjoy target shooting as well as the fact that I hunt. To my mind there is no difference between learning to shoot well, then playing darts.
As for you assumetion on knives being an everyday tool, that is only partially correct. What has historically happened in areas that slowly implement gun control is that they foster the idea of "bad weapons (sound worse then gun)" and "legitemate" ones then the bad ones get banned. However some of the legitemate ones are eventually labeled as bad weapons and they get banned and it goes on and on.
This has started with knives, states like California have blade restrictions, in Canada certain styles of knives are classified as prohibited weapons, and these lists only get longer. Right now in Eastern Canada and in England there are politcians and public figures trying to ban certain knives.
You live in France, tell me are these items prohibited like they are here in Canada; mace (medival weapon) butterfly knive, push dagers (handle at 90* to blade), knife that is part of a belt buckle (called constant companion) knife descised as any thing else such as pen, comb, brush or stick (curriuosly cane swords are legal here) morning star (mideval weapon).

As stated right now there are some groups in eastern canada trying to get "tactical style weapons" out of the hands of criminals by putting restrictions on there sale.

Once again IMO the fact that someone does not see the point in way someone else would like to own something, should have absolutly no bearing on their right to own it.
 
By the way in Canada if an air rifle shoots a pellet at 500 feet per second or faster it is considered a rifle.
If a pellet pistol shoots a pellet at 500 feet per second or faster it is considered a pistol.
In both cases they are treated exactly like a rifle or pistol would be.
In fact in British Columbia you need a liscence to transport or carry off of you property a BB or pellet rifle/gun that shoots bb's or pellets under 500 feet per second
 
coyotebc said:
You live in France, tell me are these items prohibited like they are here in Canada; mace (medival weapon) butterfly knive, push dagers (handle at 90* to blade), knife that is part of a belt buckle (called constant companion) knife descised as any thing else such as pen, comb, brush or stick (curriuosly cane swords are legal here) morning star (mideval weapon).
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in France, cops decide if what you carry is a weapon. if you carry a screvdriver and your look don't please to the cop, he can tell you use it as a weapon, and take mesures (that's for the law, I haven't heard of so strict applications of it). anyway, if you have a very small opinel, and you have a cap, and rapper's clothes, you'll surely have it confiscated. if you look like a salesman, you'll almost never be controlled, and even a butterfly knive might pass. French cops are trained to have prejudice, I think it's not a good way to go, but it seems to work well, seeing crimes implicating weapons statistics in the US compared to France (I have seen them some time ago, I don't remember well).

law for weapons in france is very trouble, on weapons not classified as war weapons, firearms, and stuff like nunchakus, swords, etc...
 
choubbi said:
well, if examples have proven I was wrong, ok... I still don't understand how healthy a nation can be if efficient weapons (I mean guns and machineguns) are accessible to everybody. knives are ok, everybody needs a knife for everyday life, but that's not the case for guns. how do you use a gun in everyday life? after all it's not my country, if everyone of you feel good knowing anybody around you can have a loaded gun, that's just not the same mentality as here in France. Even if there are a majority of *******s here (as in the US), I'm happy in France, and will stay here all my life, I think(or maybe move to japan or stuff like that).
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Hi French guy, in the US gun ownership is a right guaranteed by our constitution. Kerry is a rat and lies about this issue. Our bill of rights (qty10) is about personal rights guaranteed by the constitution. Not 9 out of 10. The 2nd amendment it not negotiable. Kerry wants to negotiate our rights away.
 
gull wing said:
To respond to French Guy "What does President Bush do well?" would take more time than I have here, after all this is a blade forum, but just a tidbit.
Things he does MUCH better:
1. Tells the truth. HONESTY
2. Says what he means and means what he says. (We like that a lot) So you don't have to wade thru the political double talk. CHARACTER
3. Puts his political life at risk to do the right thing. COURAGE
4. Publicaly states he puts his trust in God. FAITH
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So far, the only group of people calling the U.S. Social Security system "in crisis" is President Bush and his administration. So I'm not sure how much *truth* is being used there. But, then again, some might say that President Bush has used 'scare tactics' before, like the way he got Americans to support this war in Iraq. Since using scare tactics has worked, previously, to bend Americans to his will, President Bush is trying the same thing with Social Security. I hope that it isn't successful this time.

GeoThorn
 
To the Frechman,

Just because something can kill does not mean we should ban them.

For example, airplanes (WTC), cars, swimming pools, plastic bags, twine, tall buildings, boats, baseball bats, etc. can kill just as well as guns and knives (if not better). Should we ban these things to save lives?

Just my opinion,

Mike
 
I just think guns(which are only done to kill, unlike cars and other things you said) should be sold to people who has passed psychological tests, and stuff like that, like in France (I think I remember it's like this in France). you must have a license for a car, to prove you can use it without being dangerous to you and other people, why not for a gun? what's the difference? do you think cars should be sold to anyone who has not passed a training? would you accept road full of bad drivers having learnt driving on their own? that's the important point for me. and a gun is not a useful tool in my point of view, as a car is.
and the difference between a plastic bag and a gun is that it's way easier to kill with a gun. a guy with a baseball bat in the subway without all the rest of baseball equipment has lots of chance to be arrested quickly in France, I don't know about US, but I think it is the same (am I wrong?).

I'm not too much in the idea to totally ban weapons, but a good regulation of people who owns them and how would be good, don't you think? when you see a guy completely drunk in the streets, and you see a gun on his belt, don't you think it's dangerous?

in fact I'm not that much against gun laws in the whole USA, but Texas laws scare me a bit.
 
My .02

1) everyone whose not a criminal should have the ability to own guns and knives.
2) all politicians are liars, so I tend to vote for the lesser of two evils.
3) if you are an American, and have a different opinion than me, I may think your misguided, maybe even ignorant, but I would not seek to censor your opinion or put you in the same category as an enemy combatant.
 
Blisshead said:
My .02

1) everyone whose not a criminal should have the ability to own guns and knives.
2) all politicians are liars, so I tend to vote for the lesser of two evils.
3) if you are an American, and have a different opinion than me, I may think your misguided, maybe even ignorant, but I would not seek to censor your opinion or put you in the same category as an enemy combatant.
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1) even a desequilibrated person? a psycopath who hasn't been violent for the moment? psy tests would avoid these persons to own a gun...
2) the same in France, and in other countries, unfortunately
3) well, I'm not american. I would think about that much more if I was, but I prefer to take a more precise look at my own **** and see how politics in France behave.

thanks for all for having explained your points of view, it was interesting for me. it's always cool to have political debates without insults or things like that, that's not often I see it.
 
choubbi said:
I just think guns(which are only done to kill, unlike cars and other things you said) should be sold to people who has passed psychological tests, and stuff like that, like in France (I think I remember it's like this in France). you must have a license for a car, to prove you can use it without being dangerous to you and other people, why not for a gun? what's the difference? do you think cars should be sold to anyone who has not passed a training? would you accept road full of bad drivers having learnt driving on their own? that's the important point for me. and a gun is not a useful tool in my point of view, as a car is.
and the difference between a plastic bag and a gun is that it's way easier to kill with a gun. a guy with a baseball bat in the subway without all the rest of baseball equipment has lots of chance to be arrested quickly in France, I don't know about US, but I think it is the same (am I wrong?).

I'm not too much in the idea to totally ban weapons, but a good regulation of people who owns them and how would be good, don't you think? when you see a guy completely drunk in the streets, and you see a gun on his belt, don't you think it's dangerous?

in fact I'm not that much against gun laws in the whole USA, but Texas laws scare me a bit.
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Hi again French guy, Gun ownership is a right guaranteed by our constitution. Driving a car is not a right. You disagree with our way of life and our laws. It makes no difference what you think. You do not understand Americans or our constitution and you are misguided or ignorant. Please try and use this opportunity to improve your knowledge on the matter.
 
mrblond said:
Hi again French guy, Gun ownership is a right guaranteed by our constitution. Driving a car is not a right. You disagree with our way of life and our laws. It makes no difference what you think. You do not understand Americans or our constitution.
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you're true, I don't understand this part of your constitution, and americans who understand it. I still don't completely, but i see a bit more how it is for you, it's an old heritage of your short history, and I understand how you're attached to it. this is a quite instructive thread for me as a foreigner, and I'm happy to have discussed about that, I've learnt some stuff(even if I'm still on my position about Bush, I understand why you're not).
 
Dear Choubbi,

Good points. I think a license for gun ownership may be a good idea (like a driver's license), but definitely not for knives.

Mike
 
In the U.S. we have what's called the Bill of Rights, made up of the first ten amendments to the U.S. Constitution: http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.billofrights.html

The First Amendment is: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

Here is where this thread started. Mr. Leatherman, of Leatherman Tools, apparently stated his support for presidential candidate Senator John Kerry. I wish that I could read what Mr. Leatherman said in support of Senator Kerry, that has apparently made some people angry, but, maybe those people are just angry because Mr. Leatherman supported anyone other than President Bush.

Because of each American's First Amendment Right to Freedom of Speech, all American's have the ability to speak their mind without getting arrested for it, unless they do something idiotic like screaming "FIRE" in a crowded theater, or mentioning "hijack" or "bomb" in the security line at an airport. Mr. Leatherman is legally able to support anyone that he wants to be president, however, people are also able to disagree with him.

If some die-hard Bush supporters don't want to purchase any of Mr. Leatherman's excellent multi-tools because of Mr. Leatherman's support for the other candidate, well, that's their prerogative. If they are totally disgusted with Mr. Leatherman and Leatherman Tools, they can feel free to email me, telling me so, and I'll be more than happy to take all of the Leatherman Tools they own, but don't want anymore. :D

GeoThorn
 
choubbi, if you want to read a little more about why many Americans are attached to that part of the constitution then read this.
 
I believe that Marie Antoinette and King Louis XIV would've banned the guilloutine if they'd known what was laying a"head."

GeoThorn
 
Hardman said:
Dear Choubbi,

Good points. I think a license for gun ownership may be a good idea (like a driver's license), but definitely not for knives.

Mike
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of course not for knives! do you see a cook going to jail because he was caught on the way back home with his kitchen knives? knives are primarly everyday tools, not weapons (there's so much everyday tools that are better to use to fight when you don't have learnt how to use efficiently a knife in combat).

geothorn said:
In the U.S. we have what's called the Bill of Rights, made up of the first ten amendments to the U.S. Constitution: http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.billofrights.html

The First Amendment is: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

Here is where this thread started. Mr. Leatherman, of Leatherman Tools, apparently stated his support for presidential candidate Senator John Kerry. I wish that I could read what Mr. Leatherman said in support of Senator Kerry, that has apparently made some people angry, but, maybe those people are just angry because Mr. Leatherman supported anyone other than President Bush.

Because of each American's First Amendment Right to Freedom of Speech, all American's have the ability to speak their mind without getting arrested for it, unless they do something idiotic like screaming "FIRE" in a crowded theater, or mentioning "hijack" or "bomb" in the security line at an airport. Mr. Leatherman is legally able to support anyone that he wants to be president, however, people are also able to disagree with him.

If some die-hard Bush supporters don't want to purchase any of Mr. Leatherman's excellent multi-tools because of Mr. Leatherman's support for the other candidate, well, that's their prerogative. If they are totally disgusted with Mr. Leatherman and Leatherman Tools, they can feel free to email me, telling me so, and I'll be more than happy to take all of the Leatherman Tools they own, but don't want anymore. :D

GeoThorn
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well, that's a good synthesis of the situation, thanks. if you're given too much Leatherman tools, think about me, I'll pay the shipping fees ;) :D

Bodieism said:
choubbi, if you want to read a little more about why many Americans are attached to that part of the constitution then read this.
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thanks for the link, I'll read it tomorrow, (it's 23:01 here, and I have school tomorrow).
 
Choubbi,

Your english is excellent. Did you ever spend time in the United States?

Mike
 
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