What's up Doc?

Doc,

Here's one I found in my woods last weekend I'm not sure of.

I'm thinking it's a wild iris of some sort but can't seem to find a match.

The flower is a little smaller than a nickle

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It looks almost like a Dwarf Lake iris but those only grow in a few places and the petals are a bit different.
 
I'm not sure about it either, Hollowdweller, but remember, if it is an Iris (and it looks like one), they're poisonous!!!

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Well, I said that I would follow up on the Goldenrod gall bobber.

Originally, I was going to drill a hole in the gall, or enlarge the one made by the fly exiting. On further reflection, I theorized that the hole(s) would allow water into the hollow portion of the gall, reducing the buoyancy, so I searched out a gall with no exit hole. I broke it away from the stalk, leaving some stalk on both sides of the gall.

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I remember years ago, (maybe even still??), they used to have this 2 piece bobber that, I think, allowed the line to pass through the middle of the bobber and then a wooden rod was pushed into the bobber, locking the line in place. The shape gave me the idea for the 'Doc has some gall' bobber. Originally, I was going to put a half hitch or a clove hitch around each end, but as I thought about it more, I decided a single constrictor, at each end, would be the most secure. I decided to use some jute for the line as it is, in actuality, natural cordage

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So on to the field trials. :rolleyes:

Here you see the harnessed bobber, the line, and my mail-order fish hook from PETA. (actually it's a piece of coat hanger that approximates the weight of a hook and a worm). I made the length between the bobber and the hook fairly short as I wanted to see if the bobber would support the weight, and the water isn't too deep in this creek, at least, not where I was.

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So, into the water it went. As you can see, the line to the bobber and the bobber itself are floating very well, with the hook suspended in the water below.

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At this point I went off for a quickee hill hike (attempting to wage war on the spare tire). I got back about 45 minutes later - dark by now, as you can see.

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The bobber, although still floating very well, doesn't show up very well.

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Oh wait, the joys of a flash :)

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So there you have it - yes, a Goldenrod ball gall will serve as a credible bobber in times of need, and if required, you could gang 2 (or more) galls together for increased buoyancy.

Doc
 
If not for the lack of bright colors, I'd say it was a perfect bobber. Very cool.
 
Success! Thank for conducting this little bobber experiment, Doc. Now we know.
 
Great thread, Doc! Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

by the way, who's the author on that netmaking book in your gall bobber picture?
 
Very cool, great job GP! Now post the next 1!

T-storm yesterday, so didn't get out.

Great thread, Doc! Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

by the way, who's the author on that netmaking book in your gall bobber picture?

P.W. Blandford. If you're looking for a good book for self teaching net making, my recommendation is Net Making by Charles Holdgate. It's out of print, but it is available, quite often, as a used book for about $10-$20, (and more), as seen by this link. It may also be at your local library, which is where I found it first, and thanks to the web, I found a copy to purchase.

Thanks, everyone, for the positive comments. So far, this thread is working for me. Since I'm only doing 1 thing at a time, not too demanding, and I've already learned something - gall bobber, and had fun doing it.

I'm probably not going to get out today - eye specialist appointment (check up, I hope), but I'll try and get out Friday, after work.

Doc
 
I haven't looked at anyones post yet, but isn't that a Goldenrod Fly Gall?

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Edit: Yep, looked over the thread and it looks like I'm at least close. Jubilation Hazaah!
 
So I went to the eye specialist today for a check up and as a result my eyesight is a bit messed up,

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so I probably won't be going for a hike today, so instead, a little something that may come in handy (or not :o ).

I always have 4 or 5, 5 foot pieces of 550 on me for various purposes. Maybe you do as well. So, here's the scenario - you unexpectedly got off work early, and because it wasn't anticipated, you have no hiking gear in your vehicle (don't want to tempt the low life thieves too much) but you want to go for a quickee (hike that is) and you need some water.

Your bottle carrier is at home with the rest of your gear, but you have 550. Take a piece about 5 feet long, tie it in a loop and double it over. To this loop, at each end, tie another piece of 550. Then tie a single constrictor in the middle of the second piece of 550, place it over the neck of the water/beer/coke bottle and tighten.

This can now be carried on your shoulder, cross body fashion (like a Baldric). When you need a drink, you don't even have to take it off. BTW, the doubled over loop spreads the weight out a bit on your shoulder, making it more comfortable to carry.

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Not rocket science, but for me, it came in handy a few times.

Hopefully, tomorrow, I'll have something with a little more substance. :rolleyes: :D

Doc
 
Well the scales made me immediatly think Coltsfoot, but around here at least the stems are no longer than say 6".

In that pic they looked 7 or 8" long so it threw me.

Also I'm not sure if I ever paid attention to what the end of the stem (why most were calling it dandelion I think) looked like after the fluffies were gone.

Actually, HD, those stems are about 18" in height.

Here's a picture of the leaves:

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One of the interesting things about this plant: Apparently, some early peoples called the plant 'Son before the father' which refers to the unique characteristic of the flowers appearing first and then the leaves.

One thing I wonder about, though, is earlier I mentioned that Coltsfoot was a medicinal plant with a warning, and no one has asked what that warning is. :confused:

Another use for Coltsfoot, apparently, is if you burn the leaves by the fire, you can use the ashes as a salt substitute (I've never tried it) but there's is some confusion whether this refers to this Coltsfoot (Tussilago farfara) or Sweet Coltsfoot (Petasites frigidus).

Nipplewort! I know that's wrong but I just like saying it and it is mistaken for Dandelions...


if you squint at it...


while drunk.

:D I like saying Nipplewort too.

Since I'm only doing 1 thing at a time, not too demanding, and I've already learned something - gall bobber, and had fun doing it. Doc

My apologies to dttomcat - I also learned about Cat's Ear. :thumbup:

Doc
 
Thanks to your thread, I learned about the Cat'sEar too. Take it easy for a bit, Doc. Those pupils look shot. :eek: Don't go driving anywhere til' they contract some. :)
 
Sure Doc,

I recognize the pupil dialation.

I didn't know those kind of mushrooms grew that far north:thumbup:

Enjoy the trip!:D

Thanks HD, but alas.................... :(

Interesting about pupil dilation is that one of the things they use to dilate pupils is belladonna -a wild flower.

Doc
 
Thanks to your thread, I learned about the Cat'sEar too. Take it easy for a bit, Doc. Those pupils look shot. :eek: Don't go driving anywhere til' they contract some. :)

Yeah, no worries, dttomcat - I walked to the doctor. I'm glad he's close by.

Doc
 
Coltsfoot never gets 18" here. I'd say six or 7" is a tall stem here.

In fact until a few "year" ago I never realized that that leaf was coltsfoot because I always noticed it before the leaves came out and then never paid attention to it once the bloom was gone.

Also I thought the warning you were alluding to was that the young flowers are carcinogenic and hepatotoxic.

The main use I always heard for it was respiratory but the negatives always scared me off from using it.
 
Coltsfoot never gets 18" here. I'd say six or 7" is a tall stem here.

In fact until a few "year" ago I never realized that that leaf was coltsfoot because I always noticed it before the leaves came out and then never paid attention to it once the bloom was gone.

Also I thought the warning you were alluding to was that the young flowers are carcinogenic and hepatotoxic.

The main use I always heard for it was respiratory but the negatives always scared me off from using it.

Me as well. In fact, I forgot that the plant is edible. I guess, because of the negatives, I dismissed the edible characteristics.
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Actually, first I guess it should be said, "THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR DETERMINING THE SAFETY AND SUITABILITY OF USING ANY WILD PLANT FOR FOOD OR MEDICINE, IS YOURS! IN OTHER WORDS, YOU TRY IT, YOU GET SICK - YOUR FAULT!!!! And just because some other person can use a particular plant with complete safety, doesn't mean you can. You may be hypersensitive to a particular plant and you don't know, because you've never tried it before. Forage safely and wisely!

Now onto the Coltsfoot warnings (here's a few):

"Coltsfoot (Tussilago farfara) - Tyler (1987) considers leaves and flower heads unsafe for use as a demulcent and against coughs; may contain liver-damaging pyrrolizidine alkaloids (Bergner 1989). Rated relatively safe by Duke (1985)" (Common Poisonous Plants and Mushrooms of North America, Nancy J. Turner/Adam F. Szczawinski, Timber Press, 2001, ISBN# 0-88192-312-5 page 277)

"The yellow flower heads which appear before the leaves in early spring, are very good raw in salads. Their peduncle is juicy, sweet and aromatic, and tastes even better than the flowers themselves. They are delicious simply sauteed in butter.
Coltsfoot flowers contain mucilage and a yellow coloring matter (xanthophyll).
The leaves are edible as well. When very young they can be eaten raw, especially the petiole which is juicy and pleasant tasting. The whitish down covering them can be removed, after which they are chopped up and added to salads.
When they get older, the rubbery leaves are better cooked. They make excellent fritters. In order to be used as a vegetable, they require long cooking and should preferably be boiled in a change of water.
Ashes made from the leaves can be used as a salt substitute. They are dried and burned in a dish so that the impalpable ashes can be easily gathered.
Coltsfoot leaves contain mucilage, a resin, tannin, an essential oil, inulin, vitamin C, minerals and an antibiotic substance.
The plant also contains pyrrolizidin alkaloids, which have a detrimental effect upon the liver. It should therefore only be eaten in moderation.
Leaves and flowers are emollient, demulcent and expectorant.
Coltsfoot has been used medicinally in Europe since Antiquity. It has recently been banned in several European countries due to its alkaloid content.
The leaves dye wool yellowish green with alum and green with ferrous sulfate."
(The Encyclopedia of Edible Plants of North America, François Couplan, Keats, 1998, ISBN# 0-87983-821-3 pages 454-455)

"However, coltsfoot also contains toxic pyrrolizidine alkaloids, which cause liver toxicity. Because these alkaloids are easily extracted in hot water, a tea made from the fresh plant would presumably contain them. Another compound found in coltsfoot mucilage is tussilagone, a sesquiterpene that has been reported to be a potent cardiovascular and respiratory stimulator...........................Given the risk of exposure to pyrrolizidine alkaloids from prolonged use of coltsfoot, people suffering from throat irritations and asthma should consider alternative herbal remedies...." (Edible & Medicinal Plants of Canada,- MacKinnon / Kershaw, Lone Pine, 2009, ISBN# 978-1-55105-572-59-6 page 364)

Well, I think you get the idea.

Doc
 
Now doesn't Comfrey also have those same alkyloids?? I know they don't recccomend Comfrey for internal use anymore but dry hot weather makes it worse??
 
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