Whats up with 1sks?!!

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This is crazy! I had to wait for 2 weeks exactly for my order to arrive from 1sks. They took the money out of my checking account on the 16th and finally after numerous emails, the UPS guy showed up this afternoon. Relieved at finally having my package I ripped it open, grabbed the knife box inside and popped it open. They sent me the wrong $#@%%^^^%$$# KNIFE!!!!!!!!! Apparently they aren't concerned about ever making another sale with their customers.

Kris
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kwheeler3644@cs.com
 
Moving to the GB&U forum... where this belongs.

Please feel free to call us to try to resolve this problem, but without your name, and what you ordered, it's hard for me to track down what went wrong and try to correct it.

I'm guessing that your name is Kris Wheeler, and that you ordered a Spyderco LBK. I'd like to know what you got instead, what was on your invoice, etc. Again, this is best handled by the phone, instead of immediately running to the forums and badmouthing us.

As for the delay with your order - the knife you ordered was out of stock at the time you ordered it (which was a Saturday). We already had some on order, unfortunately we were shipped blue models instead of the black we ordered... requiring a slight delay while the distributor sent us the correct model. Your order was shipped as soon as it came back in stock.

Again, please call me at 1.800.969.7771 and I'll do my best to fix this.

Spark

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I ordered a BM730 Axis from 1sks on a Friday morning.There was some problem with the creditcard number(either I gave the wrong number or they wrote it down wrong I don't know which). Anyway I gat a call from Spark that afternoon, the problem was corrected and I had my knife by the next Thursday. I guess what I'm trying to say, is that Mike & Spark will go out of their way to make things right !
John

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Geesh .........with all respect to Mike & Spark, can't this stuff be handled privately. The slamming in public needs to stop. Makes me afraid as a dealer to make a mistake in fear of this kind of stuff happening. Remember, the GBU is a last resort for solving problems!

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Mike Payne
 
TGBU is about the good and the middlin' as well as about the bad. Some members will run right over here and post if they get sent the wrong knife, or if it's been almost two weeks and the knife still hasn't arrived, or sometimes even if they send an email and STILL haven't got a reply and it's been MORE THAN FIFTEEN MINUTES ALREADY FOR GOSH SAKE, and some of those members will add HE'S A $#@%%^^^%$$#!!!

If you start getting nervous ... stop and think a moment. Give the readers some credit.... People reading this can see what the facts are and I'd like to think they're not influenced by remarks like "$#@%%^^^%$$#." If somebody posts something like, "They sent me the wrong knife (I'm not sure if I screwed up the order or they did), but I called them and they straightened it right out" would that post destroy your business? Is this thread any different than that hypothetical post? Will it have any different effect?

-Cougar :{)
 
I think the GBU is really a cool place/idea. In fact, from what I see as far as posts go it gives people an outlet for their frustrations and they learn, rather quickly, that their views may not be as correct as they once thought. Much better alternative to post here and learn I may be wrong than just write off someone for a mistake and never give them my business again. Or at least that's my take on it.
Shawn

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I never exactly thought about it, much less put it into words, but Cougar Allen's post is exactly correct in my case.

I read some posts in this forum and immediately think "Man, that should have been handled by email..." But that is the way I deal with it. Some people have to vent, some more publicly than others, to feel better.

I read the posts in this forum with my super stealth reality filter glasses... that is to say that I CAN, as Mr. Allen pointed out, realize from all the available information what I believe to be the real situation.

Personally I forgive screw-ups, real or perceived, from anyone who genuinely attempts to rectify the situation OR explain it to my satisfaction. But that is MY way of doing things, don't necessarily expect it from everyone else. My philosophy is that whether you are a Dealer, Maker, Hard Core Knife Nut or Newbie, you are Human afterall....

Well, except for Mr. Allen and Vampire Gerbil of course...
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Cougar- One of the first and funniest things I noticed here at BFC when I first found it was the "From" part of your profile...

"Remulak, (a small town in France)"

From that point I knew I would be spending a lot of time here.

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Brandon

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Well here is the email I got and the response.

To whom it may concern,

The knife I ordered was the spyderco ladybug, The one I received was the
ladybug 2 with the sheepsfoot blade. The envoice stated that it was the
ladybug like I ordered. I can appreciate the fact that you were having
difficulties for a little while, however, why was I not contacted?

You where not contacted simply because we assumed the knife we sent was the correct knife. Why would we contact you? You placed an order and we shipped it. How is the box the knife came in marked? Does it say SC-LBK? If so then we would assume that the manufacturer placed the right knife in the box. If they did not then you are giving us a bunch of grief over a mistake which was not necessarily caused by us. If that makes you feel better then fine but to do it in public before we find out what the real problem is and where the real blame lies is not cool in my book.

It would have been wonderful to have at least received a message on my answering
machine stating what was going on. Instead, nothing.

Again why would we contact you when from our point of view the order was fine and shipped within the 14 days we allot to all orders.

I had no desire to "rake you over the coals" as you put it, but, I am in management at a very
large book distributorship, and had we handled an order as incompetently as
this one has been handled, someone's head would have rolled.

Incompetent? You are assuming that we knew all along that we sent you the wrong knife.

Great! You are in management. So I will take to the liberty to talk to you in a different light then I would a regular customer. In that regard I just edited the answer to your first question so we are speaking man"ager" to man"ager". Let's stick to the facts here and remove emotion, first rule of effective management. Based on what you wrote above you would fire someone who makes a simple mistake? So using your method of management, a customer orders a book. Let's say, Stephen Hawking's "A brief history of time" and he is accidentally shipped the sequel. The customer receives the book and never calls in to report a problem with their order. Insted they go to BookForums.Com and pick the most popular forum and slams your company. Based on what you said above, you would find out who shipped the order incorrectly and you fire them on the spot? Man I am glad I don't work for you.

You placed your order on Saturday the 13th. You received it on the 26th which is within our 14 day shipping window that you are aware of. If you are not aware of it then you may want to read the screens presented to you during the order process. Here is one of the lines you would of read if you had looked.
"Most orders are filled within 48 hours. You should expect to receive your order within 7-14 days depending on where you live and the desired shipping method."
It also appears on our shipping info page. http://www.onestopknifeshop.com/store/shipping.html

We don't stock every knife at all times, no one can. I also doubt very seriously that your company does either and you may be out of a book when a customer places an order on occasion yourself. We run a very efficient inventory management system and when the item you ordered was out it was reordered immediately. In your case we received the wrong color when it came in (blue). We then ordered again and according to our records we received the correct model. Now I do not doubt that a mistake was made and I will do what ever I must to correct it. This is not a perfect world and mistakes do happen, it is how we handle them that we are judged by.


I truly enjoy
"looking" through your store and I love the time I spend on Bladeforums,
however, I do not appreciate being badmouthed on the forum.

You are kidding right? You think you can go in and badmouth us and not expect us to return in kind? You could of called us to correct the situation. You sir chose the immature route, we only responded to it. Big difference. I guess you expect that you can just say whatever you want without being held responsible for your actions because "the customer is always right". Wrong, you were wrong in how you handled it and now you are upset because we called you on it? Funny.........

Again keep in mind that this is not our normal response but since you admitted being in management I am not responding to you in a normal fashion either. You bought a $16.99 knife which we made all of 3 bucks on and you then have wasted a bunch of my time responding to your immature outburst. I am getting tired of seeing people using my forum as a sounding board to bitch about customer service issues before taking the appropriate steps to correct the problem first. No you chose to slam my company in public with no accountability, not cool in my book.


I admit my post there was hostile, but the response to it was very immature and just as hostile.

I would of used the "kill 'em" with kindness routine if I had been given the chance. Again I don't like people using my forum, especially the wrong one to begin with, to air their problems with dealers before taking the proper steps to rectify the problem first. Am I being a bit harsh with you? Probably.

I am not concerned about getting my knife exchanged or whatever it
is you do in cases like this, I really do not have the time or the money that
it would take to ship it back to you, get you to replace it, and wait for it
to be shipped back.

Give me a freaking break dude. You have the time to write a post slamming my company in our busiest forum, yet you don't have the time to pick up the phone and call us to see how we could solve this problem? I am not falling for that. FWIW I would pay for the return shipping on any order we screw up. But you would not know this because you never asked.


Once again, I appreciate your attention in this matter.

And I would appreciate the chance to rectify the situation to your satisfaction but if you don't give me that chance there is not much I can do, right?


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I sincerely apoligize for wasting your time with my obviously inconcequential order. I will not do so in the future.I am inclosing my copy of the email I sent you back verbatim, not just using the parts which set you in a good light. it follows.The knife I received is the ladybug II not the ladybugI which I ordered. I partially apologize for my post on Bladeforums. I tried emailing 1sks several times and received no satisfactory response. I realize that you are only human and that mistakes happen, however, I received no notice that the knife was out of stock, I was unable to track it via your UPS page, and I received no response to my initial emails. Phoning you is not an option for me, as I work extremely strange hours. No, the knife does not match what was on my order. As clearly as I can make out, my order specifically calls for the ladybug I. I "blasted you in public" as a last resort after I felt other means of resolving the matter had been exhausted. I did not realize that your email server had been down. Once again, there was no indication of that, so I had no choice but to think that I was being "blown off". I do, however, appreciate the efforts that are now being made to rectify the problem. As I have stated before, I have neither the time nor the money to ship the knife back to you for an exchange. After seeing how well you have finally dealt with this matter, I will do business with you again. In the future, how about trying to let people know when an item is out of stock? Thanks for your attention in this matter. I do admit I was wrong to attack you in public. As I stated in my email, I only did this when I felt all other options had been exausted. I have changed my mind about doing business with you in the future. So don't worry about ever letting anyone know when the knife they ordered was out of stock.
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Kris

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kwheeler3644@cs.com
 
Here's a fine example of why you should exhaust all means of communication before making a negative post.One thing I noticed Kwheeler in the original post you did not mention numerous e-mails failed.If that did occur, a post here or on 1sks forum asking if something is up with the server would have went a long way.Is it possible something good be wrong with someones e-mail and they may not discover that immediatly.If you had gotten blown "off"
after an attempted post at bladeforums contact then maybe I can see doing what you did.Even though I drive a bus most of the day,I still can manage to find a phone whether home or out on the road.I find it difficult to believe that finding a phone at some point would be impossible.That aside though there where other options other than a e-mail.It's really none of my business but since it is posted publically,what the hell so here's my 2 cents.Mike T,even though this guy was dead wrong and even though he deserved the response he received.I would have refrained from it only that I'm sure he felt bad about it after things where explained.I'm sure he would have sooned to follow with a public apology also in his post,but now it seems the business relationship has ended on a bad note. "Can't we just all get along"
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Love, with hugs and Kisses
your forum buddy,Ralph
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P.S.Have a happy holiday everyone don't be mad at each other have a Brewsky on me,I've already had a few
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Heres a pic of my newest addition by the way ain't she grand!Don't Worry be Happy!
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[This message has been edited by TOMBSTONE (edited 05-27-2000).]
 
Kris, regardless of how you feel I would have greatly appreciated a phone call as an attempt to rectify this situation.

I don't know how we managed to order a Ladybug II, since we place orders directly off the invoices.. and every invoice we generated was for a SC-LBK, not a SC-LBK2... and we don't even have the LBK2 even listed on our site!!! It's not even in our inventory system here at the office - It's really odd, but I guess mistakes happen.

Again, I apologize for this happening, but next time how about giving us a call?

Spark

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[This message has been edited by Spark (edited 05-27-2000).]
 
Well Spark is here now and it seems that he was sending some email to support@bladeforums.com which Spark gets and other email to info@bladeforums.com which I get.

The one rule of thumb that you have all heard me say over and over is that the root of most problems can all be traced back to errors in communication.

I stand behind what I said even though I have just now read his other emails sent to Spark. The customer may not always be right, but they are always king and I will do what I can to rectify any situation that is obviosly not the customers fault. All I need is the chance to do so.

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I recently ordered a CRKT Kasper from 1SKS. At the appropriate date I received the knife as ordered. I'll use them again! The price was right and the service was great.

DH

 
You mean this walleyed hissy fit was over a $17.00 knife?

Man, and I came up with that thoughtful response too. I'm going to cut and paste it into a .txt so I can used it when you screw up and ship someone a decorated Sebenza instead of the regular
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Brandon

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I've got the schizophrenic blues
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Geez Mike,

For someone who's working 80 hours a week, where do you find time to write thousand word essays? Since you're probably going to send him another knife anyway why don't you just say, "Sorry bout that. We'll get another knife right to ya."
 
Probably because the original post at the top of this message appeared in the general forum. So ya I was a little pissed off about it. This forum is to be used as a last resort not a first line of offense. I know that the UBB limits us to how much info you can get before posting to this forum but this **** is getting silly.

If you go back and read most of the posts in this area that are negative you will normally find that some how communication broke down. I am not saying that it is the customers fault or that the dealers don't screw up. What I am saying is that this is the real world and people make mistakes.

If he was not in management himself I would of handled this completely differnet. But when he compared his book business to mine and in effect told me how I should operate I took offense to it. No big deal.

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What follows is the email I just sent to Mike. Look, I appreciate that you were a little mad over the whole deal with 1sks. I have partially apologized for this. Now, drop it. Quit attacking me. It really grows tiresome. I am mature enough to apologize and quit when I am wrong, are you not the same? Now can we all just quit with the tirades???

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