What's up with cold steel testing triad locks against cheap knives?

Thanks guys, I can tell you this. We have had some real battles in the last two weeks. (benchmade and zt again) yes the zt300 was a shocker, and I personally own one.
Cold steel is of the feeling that they will stand by no longer while other knives claim ,or imply, to be better ( as far as strengh and durability go). Everything else is preference or how you use you knife that's makes a design or brand better for you. Plus just plain fanboyisem (and there is nothing wrong with that).
 
If you are the type of person that can't handle simple truth, I don't want you as my friend because I don't respect you.

There is absolutely NO reason why comparing two knives is bad. No reason. Competition makes the losers try harder. The consumer is better off. Like I said, Cold Steel showed me the limitations of my Tatanka. I am grateful for that. Lynn even said the Tatanka was a good knife in his latest article.

Truth is a good thing. But, you have to be man enough to handle it.
 
DemkoKnives said:
Thanks guys, I can tell you this. We have had some real battles in the last two weeks. (benchmade and zt again) yes the zt300 was a shocker, and I personally own one.
Cold steel is of the feeling that they will stand by no longer while other knives claim ,or imply, to be better ( as far as strengh and durability go). Everything else is preference or how you use you knife that's makes a design or brand better for you. Plus just plain fanboyisem (and there is nothing wrong with that).
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The fact that you came on here and defended your position with regards to yourself and the videos you make shows true character. While I may not completely agree with the relevance of these tests, I understand your passion for your design and thank you for the comments. Cold Steel makes a great product.
 
I love what you are doing and if I ever invent a crazy lock I will be the first to text against yours lol.

Although I really never will, just love framelocks and for beater the AK and lawman.
Can you please pick up Manix 2 and an Adamas to test against?
Thank you
Matt

DemkoKnives said:
Thanks guys, I can tell you this. We have had some real battles in the last two weeks. (benchmade and zt again) yes the zt300 was a shocker, and I personally own one.
Cold steel is of the feeling that they will stand by no longer while other knives claim ,or imply, to be better ( as far as strengh and durability go). Everything else is preference or how you use you knife that's makes a design or brand better for you. Plus just plain fanboyisem (and there is nothing wrong with that).
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The more locks you test the more interesting it is to me. Ball lock, compression lock, button lock, axis lock, arc lock, etc.
 
Thanks again guys. I personally fell the test can be a double edge sword. While we will show some knives are not what they claim, we will also show how good some of our competers are. Sure I'm not the best guy to do it as I have interest in my knife winning , a third party would be ideal, but I was assigned this job by my employer so here we are. Overall I think it will improve the industry as a whole. I know if my "best" knife performed poorly I would be back on the drawing board for a planning for a rematch
 
DemkoKnives said:
Thanks guys, I can tell you this. We have had some real battles in the last two weeks. (benchmade and zt again) yes the zt300 was a shocker, and I personally own one.
Cold steel is of the feeling that they will stand by no longer while other knives claim ,or imply, to be better ( as far as strengh and durability go). Everything else is preference or how you use you knife that's makes a design or brand better for you. Plus just plain fanboyisem (and there is nothing wrong with that).
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Was there a video for a Benchmade and a ZT300? I don't see them posted anywhere. I do see a 350, but no 300 or Benchmade.
 
I'm with Dave on this one. How many companies are in the market of selling overbuilt tactical folders while having no testing to show for it? 90% of them? More even? How many put their money where the their mouth is? Listen, I own several spydercos, I own 1 ZT and many other brands. Infact, I actually own the Otanashi Noh ken and several other blades from the James Williams line. The fact is, Coldsteel beat the competition in these tests..end of story. The knives that were defeated have their unique limitations that someone needs to consider now. I see nothing wrong with having more evidence and testing to make choices with.If only there were tests of more different folders in action.
 
Also, Stabman, it is a bit strange to me that someone who is finished with coldsteel and will not purchase another one of their products is so active in this forum. Perhaps, for your own sake you should bow out of commenting on products and a company you no longer have any interest in?
 
knife chop said:
I felt that the test was disrespectful to Sal.
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How is that? That test left me impressed with the Tatanka's Powerlock. It may have come up a bit short, but it still proved that the Tatanka's lock, when it's all said and done, is stronger than the blade itself.

Also, common sense, and a slight understanding of tool engineering, would tell you that VG10, being significantly harder than the stainless that the locking mechanism is made of, is going to:

A) Deform the lock face more than the softer AUS8A
B) Be more brittle than the softer AUS8A, causing it to fracture, rather than flex, under a heavy load.

The tests are legit-the blade material of the Tatanka makes it less forgiving of abuse than AUS8A.

And while looking at the design of each, the Triad will obviously be able to withstand greater loads than the powerlock, with everything else being equal, the powerlock is still a really good design. Demko's test proved that.
 
BellaBlades said:
I love what you are doing and if I ever invent a crazy lock I will be the first to text against yours lol.

Although I really never will, just love framelocks and for beater the AK and lawman.
Can you please pick up Manix 2 and an Adamas to test against?
Thank you
Matt
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I'm not an engineer, but I have an idea for a lock, that in theory, should be close to a triad in strength, but still allow for some flow through, like a frame or liner lock.

But we all know that there is a difference between theory and reality.
 
Poleaxe said:
Also, Stabman, it is a bit strange to me that someone who is finished with coldsteel and will not purchase another one of their products is so active in this forum. Perhaps, for your own sake you should bow out of commenting on products and a company you no longer have any interest in?
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There are no negative repercussions if I feel like commenting, so I will if I feel like it. :)
I own more of their products than many people posting here, so I've certainly bought the right to an opinion, if such qualifications were necessary.
 
I am stoked about Cold Steel testing against other brands and stoked about the new steels. Keep it up :thumbup:

...but bring on the new AK-47 already!
 
Freman Bloodglaive said:
The gentleman doing the videos is Andrew Demko, the designer of the Tri-Ad lock. He has confidence in his design, and Cold Steel's execution of his design. So far he hasn't had reason to doubt his confidence in their product.

Linerlocks and framelocks are not used because they are strong. They are used because they are cheap. Chris Reeve didn't patent the framelock, and the linerlock is an old design (although improved by Michael Walker). In that respect Cold Steel go into testing knowing what the outcome will be. The real challenges are backlock variants like the Tatanka which demonstrated itself to be a very tough knife in Cold Steel's testing. Well the lock is tough. The blade steel is a bit on the hard side but that's a Spyderco thing.
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Only speaking what i have read, but Bob Terzuola quashes the misconception of the linerlock's origin and strength in his book on tactical folding knives.

Not to argue. Just food for the conversation.
 
stabman said:
There are no negative repercussions if I feel like commenting, so I will if I feel like it. :)
I own more of their products than many people posting here, so I've certainly bought the right to an opinion, if such qualifications were necessary.
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It just seems like, in general, that a grown man constantly chiming in on threads with snarky remarks proclaiming to never buy a companies products again is a little silly. It serves no purpose other then to stir the pot and muddy the water on something you are no longer invested in.
 
Poleaxe said:
It just seems like, in general, that a grown man constantly chiming in on threads with snarky remarks proclaiming to never buy a companies products again is a little silly. It serves no purpose other then to stir the pot and muddy the water on something you are no longer invested in.
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He was not being snarky. He ( and many others)is clearly not happy with the NEW testing be conducted. He is not stirring the pot. He is discussing the exact point that the OP started in this thread. Your either pro or con, right? Wouldn't be much of a discussion if everybody agreed. "Muddy the water"?
I feel sorry for Andrew. The boss should have had some regular employees break the other manufacture's knives. Andrew is one of the most well known, living knifemaker/designer, for God's sake. He doesn't need this sh__.
 
I haven't really heard much criticism or claims by other companies. Where are these challenges being generated from?
 
mwhich50 said:
I haven't really heard much criticism or claims by other companies. Where are these challenges being generated from?
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^ Most of the challenges appear to be coming from owners of some of the knives which have not faired well in the tests. With many in the community drawing strong conclusions from the tests ("I wouldn't take a ZT if you gave it to me") and no formal response from the makers of those knives, the owners are reacting. I think one benefit of this thread is to help distinguish between the test results (which appear to be clear), and the conclusions being drawn. Of course I'm just a girly man. :rolleyes:
 
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