What's up with the Cold Steel hate around here?

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I don't hate Cold Steel, but I doubt I'll purchase any more of their products. I honestly find the quality to be lacking in both their high-end and low-end products. Excluding my Cold Steel blades, I have never never chipped an edge on any of my knives, machetes, or axes/tomahawks. I own a Trail Hawk, a Kukri Machete, and a Trail Master in SK-5, and all of them have huge chips in the edge after medium-light use. They have all been used for chopping, but not on anything harder than pine. Again, that's a 0% fail rate on all my other knives, and 100% fail rate on my Cold Steel blades. Maybe I just have bad luck, but I'm done with them.
 
i only have one from CS, a Magnum Khukri. It's the only CS that I've kept, and I had extensively sharpen and reprofile that one because it came very dull and wouldn't hold an edge very long. It's ok now, and seems to still be sharp enough after a day's use. That said, I've gotten rid of or lost my other CS knives, mostly folders that I got when I started to get into knives about 15-20 years ago. I just started to not care about them after a while and felt that they were disposable. They wouldn't stay sharp, they were quite large and clumsy, and had a general overall feel of cheapness. I recently tried a Recon that belongs to my nephew to cut a lot of boxes down, and after the 4th box or so, they were just tearing from the force being exerted, and not cutting anymore. Great lock, everything else was crap. On our second load, I grabbed my Kershaw Rake and used that. It stayed sharp even after we were done with everything the next day.

I couldn't care less about their advertising, and haven't seen any of them. What I care about is how they perform, and how long they keep doing it well. Frankly, in my experience with their folders, they don't. Sure, the tri-ad lock is great, and probably the strongest folder lock in commercial production today, but that won't help me cut any better.
 
If you've seen that many "Cold steel Hate" topics, then I'm sure you've seen more than enough "Why does everyone hate Cold Steel/SOG/MyFavouriteKnifeBrand Products???" threads to know that they never seem to end well.
 
I don't hate them. I am disgusted with them and Buck and Case and Kbar and Camilius and .... who have closed USA factories and put thousands of work and now sell lower quality knives made in China or wherever they can make it the cheapest. A knife is a tool and I will spend the extra $$ to get good made in USA tools.
Scott

This is an idea that most everyone here can agree on, I'd think. It's such a shame that more and more classic knife brands are cranking out China products. I think we'd all love it if we could get our old favorites still USA made. Seems like 9 out of 10 products we buy nowadays(not just talking knives here) are made overseas. It's the way of the world and it's a pity. With so many formerly great knife brands doing it, I do still wonder why Cold Steel gets so much more flack for it while others get a pass...


You can still get quality knives that are Made in America !!!

BK&T
Ka-Bar has started to make many that were made overseas, in America again, because people complained !!! Many were already made here.
Buck---The black phenolic handle series are still made in America. 124 Frontiersman, 119 special, woodsman, special, pathfinder, & many, many more.
ESSE
Dexter-Russell
Old Hickory
Case
Leatherman
Ontario

I realize not all of those i listed make ALL their knives in the USA, but they still do have quite a few that are. Which is better than going out of business completely. They simply needed to fill a niche, for those that do not want to spend over $10-$20 on a knife. Good business sense if you ask me, unless you want to make them for .15 cents an hour/day like they do in China.
I'm just sayin. My 1988 Ford Ranger was not even made here. Assembled here, yes, with a Mitsubishi manual transmission. The sell out was back in the 70's. Imagine all the thousands of dock workers & families who would be without work, if we imported nothing. I'm just sayin.
 
I have a Mini Tuff Lite and have been pleased with it. But for some reason the larger knives just don't do it for me. Maybe it is because every one that I have handled could not be flipped open, but had to be opened all the way with the thumb.
 
There is quite a few choices of knife brands, the folks that hate Cold Steel have a selection of many other knives, but this topic has been talked about over and over again on this forum.

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No hate for CS from me. I have 2400+ posts at their forum and about half the knives I currently own are CS. Sure, there's an occasional thread where somebody takes a shot at CS or Lynn and then a bunch of people jump on the bandwagon to get their jibe in, but I don't take those threads seriously. It's mostly just people having some snarky fun. Other than than, I don't see an inordinate amount of genuine "hatred" levelled at CS here. In fact, I've seen lots of positive commentary since they brought Demko and his Tri-Ad lock on board. There are some who genuinely dislike the products they produce, the prices they ask for them, their videos, or just Lynn himself. That's fine. No skin off my nose. I have no problems with CS as a company, with their products and prices, or with Lynn Thompson himself, and that's all that matters to me. :thumbup:

Welcome aboard, btw, from one Sonoran Desert dweller to another. :cool:
 
I'm happy with my Spear point Recon 1 :)
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I don't hate them. I am disgusted with them and Buck and Case and Kbar and Camilius and .... who have closed USA factories and put thousands of work and now sell lower quality knives made in China or wherever they can make it the cheapest. A knife is a tool and I will spend the extra $$ to get good made in USA tools.
Scott

Scott,

Buck closed its U.S. factory?

Ka-Bar closed its U.S. factory?

Camillus closed their U.S. factory when the corporation went out of business due to not being able to turn a profit. Hardly a bankrupt corporation's fault that the name was purchased and is now used for foreign products.

At the peak of business, Ka-Bar, Buck and Camillus combined didn't have "thousands of work[er]s." These are small businesses.

As for Cold Steel, it never had a factory.
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dano:

cs is bashed because it's the cool thing to do on the various forums.

AND SO . . .
dano:

thompson's approach is questionable, and seems to focus on the mall ninja types. I've always felt that the triad lock (and associated models) should be heavily pushed, as it's a fantastic design that doesn't get much notice.
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godot [still waiting]:

. . Lastly let's discuss guarantees. Here's theirs[Cold Steel's]
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Warranty:

We stand behind our knives and swords 100%. We subject them to the highest standards in the industry and strive to make each as perfect as possible. We warrant that our folding knives, fixed blade sheath knives, and swords are free from defects in workmanship and materials.

Total satisfaction or your money back!

If you are dissatisfied with merchandise obtains from OUR site, simply return within 30 days for a refund. (Items should be returned in the condition received). This money back guarantee applies only to items purchased directly from Cold Steel, Inc. Items purchased from other sources will be repaired or replaced if defective.
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WOW, If I'm reading this correctly, if they send me a broken knife, I'll get a refund. If the knife breaks, through normal or even light usage, I've got a paper weight. Long story short (I know too late) I don't hate them, just have very low expectations.

Yes! Is that double talk or triple talk? "free from defects in workmanship or material" OR "Total satisfaction or your money back" OR "returned in the condition received" OR "repaired or replaced if defective" ?

I am sensitive to the language because I just got a letter from another maker saying the knife I sent back was defective but all I can get is a credit towards another product - no replacement or repair. (For another thread later.)
 
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As for Cold Steel, it never had a factory.

True. CS designs and sells. They have always had their products made around the world (Japan, Taiwan, China, India, and South Africa). Their discontinued Carbon V stuff was made in the USA by Camillus.
 
I have two cold steel knives the recon1 and mini pendelton hunter. Both great knives yeah prices can be a little high but they preform great even though it is AUS8 steel . I'm not a fanboy at all they are just great working knives.
 
I own CS stuff... but they're to the knife world like Bose is to the audio world. adquate but overhyped.
 
I've used a recon but other than that I have no experience with them. I don't quite like they're advertising, nor most of their designs. Just not my cup of tea I guess.
 
I actually like the cold steel knives I've held. Got a small serrated kitchen type knife at the flea market once for $2. Love that freakin' knife... cuts beautifully, is quite flexible and feels great in the hand.
 
I feel like some of their knives are more than worth the price. The higher end fixed blades are not.

For the price of a Trailmaster in San Mai, you are into Busse, or custom price range.

I had a San Mai trailmaster for about 10 years. I always contemplated re-handling it. I am not a huge fan of the handle material. It got soft and would squirm and twist on he handle. It also absorbed fluid from the hand, and would become a bit slick when the oils and sweat would exude from the handle. More importantly, and annoying, with hard chops, due to the softness of the handle material, it was nearly impossible to keep the blade edge straight in a hard chop, it would turn and twist, blowing the cut. I did like the knife and got a lot of use out of it. Enough that I was considering paying some one to customize the handle for me. A stacked leather (Ala Falkniven's option). A micarta or G10 option would be even better, from a rough user standpoint.

I won't ever buy one with a stub tang and welded cable/nut arrangement. Ever.

I have about 20 products from them, running the gambit of stuff (blow guns, throwing knives, hawks, pole axe, bad axe, special forces etc etc etc).

They are pretty tough to beat for a lot of the stuff they sell.


Some of their folder designs have been complete crap. A few tweaks and it is top notch, but, instead of fixing the issue, they just sell the junk.

The Black Rhino is one of those crappy designs. It is a great handle and blade combo. The lock is strong until the spring they use creeps forward and hits the edge of the knife, denting it every time it is closed. The spring, as it works forward also makes the lock up start to play and move. I bought two. One I had engraved for my father's retirement. There are any number of fixes for this. The spring could be anchored so it does not work loose. The locking bar can be made with a tiny rise or bump in the design (which is what they do on most of their Triad Locks). They replaced mine with another completely flawed, worthless one. Within one day, the locking spring had moved forward 1/2 an inch and caused the same problem. I called their customer service, and was told "tough, we don't make parts or spares." I tried two different epoxy fixes, to no avail. I tried a tiny groove (with a needle file) to stop the forward movement of the spring. No go, and the lock up is not solid anymore.


The Triad lock on their other knives is literally the best thing on the market! I have another one (the recon 1) and it is just pure genius. Literally, they let a 2 dollar part ruin an awesome knife.



Another example would be the pocket bushman. The original lock had a design flaw. Instead of fixing it, they sold all the flawed ones, and then when the publicity got negative enough, they fixed it. I have one of the new ones, and it is great.


They make a lot of items that are really unique to them. They are not afraid to make designs that might not sell, but are super cool.

Pole axe, spears, super heavy duty blow guns, all great.

I can't say how sad I am that I missed the Swiss Halberd when they were on closeout! Who else would make one, and at that price point!

They do a pretty good job on edges, and on the profiles. They make knives that are shaving sharp out of the box, and most are great geometry for actual use (cutting and slicing).

They are not the strongest knives in the world. Lets just get that out there. They are not the sharpest knives in the world.
 
I had a medium voyager. It seems like most tri-ad knives cold steel makes have very thick handles. I hate thick handles. The tri-ad lock also had a very stiff spring so it was hard to depress and was very annoying. The coatings they use are terrible. Black sharpie would probably hold up better. I do like the looks of the mini recon though but don't think it's worth $70.
 
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