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Where would you say the Chinese are in quality?
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Out of curiosity I finally bought an Enlan El-04 and have found the quality to be far above the price point. The fit and finish is quite good - comparable to knives up to $100 bucks sold here. The only issue with the knife was a stiff axis lock and it has loosened up quite a bit after lubing and working the lock. It won't really change my buying habits (still a spydie fan-boy) but I was impressed with the quality of the knife for under $20 bucks.
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Don't come crying to me when you get sick from lead poisoning or other ailments, because you were too cheap to buy American and decided to buy a Chinese made knife.
Haa! Actually check out the Carson Tech Lab "Griffin" and "Exorcist". Jim Skelton has a video out talking about these two knives. Both models are designed and made, basically all processes in house.
Great review of what appears to be nice knives. I still prefer American, but own great knives from South Africa, Russia, Japan, Brazil, and France. I guess I could buy a Chinese made knife. Can
some one please provide me the name of an individual Chinese maker to buy a custom knife from? A person instead of a corporation?
Haa! Actually check out the Carson Tech Lab "Griffin" and "Exorcist". Jim Skelton has a video out talking about these two knives. Both models are designed and made, basically all processes in house.
Great review of what appears to be nice knives. I still prefer American, but own great knives from South Africa, Russia, Japan, Brazil, and France. I guess I could buy a Chinese made knife. Can
some one please provide me the name of an individual Chinese maker to buy a custom knife from? A person instead of a corporation?
Opinel, Wenger Patriot (paid $7), Case Sodbuster JR (seen them go for $10)
As for Chinese knives, it depends on who's making it and what the standards they hold for QC. So it's all over the place just like with any market.
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Bollocks. The Chinese like to produce junk, because they have a predatory business outlook, and would sooner screw you over than do a good job for you. How else can you explain all the crap that they make? Seriously, they should be embarrassed about selling such junk.
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I've found that the quality of Chinese made knives is up and down like the fiddlers elbow, across the spectrum of what's available.
In the past couple of years I've bought about 20 different sort of cheapies, mostly folders, to sell on to people at work who won't stump up for a decent pocket knife.
Some were carp that just belonged in the bin.
Some were pretty good for the price.
A few really impressed me for the price, like the Inron 803.
Spydercos like the Tenacious are consistently good, and Boker Magnums seem good too.
I've avoided any blatant ripoffs/copies. I like my Spydercos and Benchmades too much to be supporting carp like that.
In the past couple of years I've bought about 20 different sort of cheapies, mostly folders, to sell on to people at work who won't stump up for a decent pocket knife.
Some were carp that just belonged in the bin.
Some were pretty good for the price.
A few really impressed me for the price, like the Inron 803.
Spydercos like the Tenacious are consistently good, and Boker Magnums seem good too.
I've avoided any blatant ripoffs/copies. I like my Spydercos and Benchmades too much to be supporting carp like that.
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I find it pretty interesting that some companies are putting out Chinese-made knives with few or no issues, while others sell absolute garbage for similar prices. For instance, I own several Chinese Kershaws that compare favorably with their American knives in terms of workmanship. Sure, some may be made of lesser materials, but Kershaw specifies that. I also have a few CRKTs that are also made in China, and again, they are very nice. I can't recall off the top of my head which (if any) of my SOG knives are Chinese except for the Salute (definitely Chinese) and it is one of my favorite folders. However, I bought a Smith & Wesson "Extreme Ops" folder (Taylor) a few years ago that I liked quite a bit, which unfortunately fell apart under the lightest of use. My Gerber Armor tanto was a trainwreck out of the box and required significant tweaking to be even acceptable for use. Various others have arrived with abysmal blade centering, usually scraping against the liner, and adjusting them resulted in stripped screws, or downright unsafe locking mechanisms.
Plenty has already been said about Chinese QC, (un)verifiable steel and design copying, but for any of the knives made for Western companies in Chinese factories, it seems to me that much of it comes down to how much pride that company has in its products and its reputation. Have people bought flawed Kershaw knives? Absolutely, but by all accounts, Kershaw will make it right. I have 20+ Kershaws, many of them Chinese, with no issues to date. Although CRKT has a lot of designs that I don't care for, I think their Chinese knives are right up there with Kershaw's in terms of quality. That said, I no longer find myself compelled to buy Chinese knives, at least not folding knives, although I will buy those from Taiwan because I don't equate one with the other and have been pretty impressed with the Ontario, Cold Steel and SOG products coming out of Taiwan.
Plenty has already been said about Chinese QC, (un)verifiable steel and design copying, but for any of the knives made for Western companies in Chinese factories, it seems to me that much of it comes down to how much pride that company has in its products and its reputation. Have people bought flawed Kershaw knives? Absolutely, but by all accounts, Kershaw will make it right. I have 20+ Kershaws, many of them Chinese, with no issues to date. Although CRKT has a lot of designs that I don't care for, I think their Chinese knives are right up there with Kershaw's in terms of quality. That said, I no longer find myself compelled to buy Chinese knives, at least not folding knives, although I will buy those from Taiwan because I don't equate one with the other and have been pretty impressed with the Ontario, Cold Steel and SOG products coming out of Taiwan.
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Chinese are more than capable of making quality, top notch products; it's just how much the company (from whatever country) who contracts the Chinese manufacturer are willing to pay for quality control and materials.... at the core, it's all able economics- sadly to say currently, it's all about quantity overr quality- but again Chinese manufacturers are not the sole ones to blame.
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Personally I don't care if they make them good or not. I do as much as I can to avoid buying products from China. They are known for knock offs, saying something is a certain type of material and giving you something else, using dangerous substances in manufacturing products that are not safe to consumers all sorts of shyster nonsense. I'm not going to help them destroy another American business, they've done enough damage to the economy.
I am going to put my disclaimer on this thread:
I don't want to see any China bashing, political opinions, global market "they took yer job" nonsense, if we go there the thread will get locked and the chiclets will fly. I know we all have our opinions on the matter and I'm not sure why this thread is in Feedback, but it is what it is. Carry on if you must.
I don't want to see any China bashing, political opinions, global market "they took yer job" nonsense, if we go there the thread will get locked and the chiclets will fly. I know we all have our opinions on the matter and I'm not sure why this thread is in Feedback, but it is what it is. Carry on if you must.
ymbo55;13264616]they really made a lot of junk.
i wont buy chinese knife anymore.
u americans say"buy quality u only cry once"
i am chinese btw.
oh,and the terrior in Kunming made collcetor even harder to buy knives,this is the country when you buy cooking knife they check your ID,what do you except.
LOL
sorry about my english ,hope you guys get it.
Scurvy092;13264678]I wouldn't say quality is the biggest falling down point of Chinese knives especially considering the price point they are delivered at. The problem is their materials, their propensity for not being able to come up with original designs, their human rights/labor record along with all of the other geopolitical issues associated with China.
There is also the concern about if the materials claimed are the actual materials used.
David Lowry;13264795]I am not dropping $150 on a China made knife. I can get a 0550 or 0801 by ZT for between $150 and $200. I would rather have a steel frame lock made in the USA or Japan or Germany than a titanium frame lock from China.
I think their quality is pretty good when the manufacturer having the knives made there wants it to be.
I feel like they are the shysters of the global market. Lead in paint. Poison in drywall. Etc.
jbass;13264881]I will not buy a knife made in China. I am sure that some of them are high quality but I would rather give my money to American owned companies employing American workers and using American materials. That being said, I have made exceptions for a few knives from American companies that have been made in Taiwan and Japan, and a knife that was made in the U.K. I reason that they are allies of America and they will get my money long before it goes to China. (Yes, I know that this is a little off the topic but it seemed like a good place to state my approach.)
Kowan;13265337]All of my knives are made in the USA. There are decent knives made all over the world, but I choose to buy only if it's made here.
I vote in elections and I vote with my wallet.
TOMBSTONE;13267704]Personally I don't care if they make them good or not. I do as much as I can to avoid buying products from China. They are known for knock offs, saying something is a certain type of material and giving you something else, using dangerous substances in manufacturing products that are not safe to consumers all sorts of shyster nonsense. I'm not going to help them destroy another American business, they've done enough damage to the economy.
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Is the Political Arena the correct forum to bash the commies?
Sorry,I am a cold war Vet and have an ingrained aversion to anything Communist.:thumbup:
i wont buy chinese knife anymore.
u americans say"buy quality u only cry once"
i am chinese btw.
oh,and the terrior in Kunming made collcetor even harder to buy knives,this is the country when you buy cooking knife they check your ID,what do you except.
LOL
sorry about my english ,hope you guys get it.
Scurvy092;13264678]I wouldn't say quality is the biggest falling down point of Chinese knives especially considering the price point they are delivered at. The problem is their materials, their propensity for not being able to come up with original designs, their human rights/labor record along with all of the other geopolitical issues associated with China.
There is also the concern about if the materials claimed are the actual materials used.
David Lowry;13264795]I am not dropping $150 on a China made knife. I can get a 0550 or 0801 by ZT for between $150 and $200. I would rather have a steel frame lock made in the USA or Japan or Germany than a titanium frame lock from China.
I think their quality is pretty good when the manufacturer having the knives made there wants it to be.
I feel like they are the shysters of the global market. Lead in paint. Poison in drywall. Etc.
jbass;13264881]I will not buy a knife made in China. I am sure that some of them are high quality but I would rather give my money to American owned companies employing American workers and using American materials. That being said, I have made exceptions for a few knives from American companies that have been made in Taiwan and Japan, and a knife that was made in the U.K. I reason that they are allies of America and they will get my money long before it goes to China. (Yes, I know that this is a little off the topic but it seemed like a good place to state my approach.)
Kowan;13265337]All of my knives are made in the USA. There are decent knives made all over the world, but I choose to buy only if it's made here.
I vote in elections and I vote with my wallet.
TOMBSTONE;13267704]Personally I don't care if they make them good or not. I do as much as I can to avoid buying products from China. They are known for knock offs, saying something is a certain type of material and giving you something else, using dangerous substances in manufacturing products that are not safe to consumers all sorts of shyster nonsense. I'm not going to help them destroy another American business, they've done enough damage to the economy.
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A little late to the dance eh Rev, or did you mean any more china bashing?
Is the Political Arena the correct forum to bash the commies?
Sorry,I am a cold war Vet and have an ingrained aversion to anything Communist.:thumbup:
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