I see these brands being put down a lot in older threads and usually anytime one has been brought up. I'm just wondering as to who actually buys these knives and keeps these companies in business? We have so many in this forum community and very,very few purchase or at least admit to purchasing from these brands.I know a lot might say that it's mall ninjas and the like but are mall ninjas willing to put up that kinda cash when they can get something from a more respected brand for the same money like kabar,ontario,benchmade,coldsteel? Those all sell combat knives. I understand that companies like United and the like sell a lot of cheap fantasy blades but both these brands are both in completely different price zones.