Who compares to CRK?

The Bradley's do not come close to the sebs in quality. They are what they are, which is not a bad knife for the price, but they are definitely not CRK-comparable.

If you try to find a cheaper alternative to the CRK, you will end up wanting one anyway and will spend even more money in the end.

No substitute satisfies like a Sebe.

True, I wanted a seb and I was considerign a bradley alias instead for the price but I knew if I got that I would have a nice knife, but I would still wonder what the seb is like, lol, and there is no substitute...Its a one of a kind knife, nothgin compares to it except it...that goes for most high end knives...If your talking about a $100 production knife than in most cases tyhere are other knives that can substitute for it...but not the seb...
 
my lightfoot is also great, but i think most would consider greg's work to be of the custom variety.

Sure a lot of Greg's stuff could be considered custom. If you look at the Suppressor, 458/460 Mag etc they are all essentially a catalog item. They are all readily available either directly from Greg or through his dealers etc.

I think when you use the word 'custom' it implies you picked up the phone and said - I want that knife with SS Damascus etc. All of the CRK LE's have to considered to be 'custom' because, I like many others ordered theirs six months ago and waited for the email asking for payment.
 
Everywhere you look (take the general discussion forum, for example), people constantly search for an excuse not to shell out the dough for a Sebe - but they are often the same people willing to shell out $600 - $1000 for a handgun - I keep seeing comparison's between Sebe's and Handguns - Don't ask me why :)

So, they would rather buy a total POS blade (at best mediocre) for $100 than shell out an extra two bills for the standard in folder quality and design. Hmm, lots of money for something they will rarely carry, and if things go right, never use, versus something they can always carry, and probably use often. Which way does the value-for-the-buck scale lean now?

You can always make more money. You can never make more time. How much has been wasted if you don't already have a Sebe?
 
So, they would rather buy a total POS blade (at best mediocre) for $100 than shell out an extra two bills for the standard in folder quality and design. Hmm, lots of money for something they will rarely carry, and if things go right, never use, versus something they can always carry, and probably use often. Which way does the value-for-the-buck scale lean now?

i have no clue where you got the basis of your reply????? last time i checked there was a very well made knife WITH the same blade steel as the sebenza readily available for 100$(spyderco military)...and i'm susposed to believe the sebenza is more capableeeeeeeee WHY?
 
It's not, pride in ownership is higher

I have two sebbies and two William Henry knives. William Henry match CRK on fit and finish, often having a bit more embelishment for the same money.

Other then that I'd go custom, I'd love a Guy Stainthorp (uk maker) folder as the two fixed blades from him are really very good
 
That "production" designation might be a little misleading.

Not to stray O/T, but I've never really understood why the term "custom" was used the way it is in the knife world.

I agree on the 'custom' word.

There are production knives, hand-made knives, and in-between. CRK knives fall into the high-end of the in-between, and there are very few others in that niche.

A custom knife must be ordered to my design or fitting, and made especially for me. Note that this could be all hand-made, or an in-between with (for instance) a custom handle material, or a production (like a Buck custom shop).

Greg
 
As far as the Seb itself is concerned, you don't know until you get one. Mine is top dog in my collection. I have Striders, a Busse, customs, but that Sebenza is probably my most prized knife.

The only one I could consider on par, folder wise, would be my SNG. I have four other folders with S30V. An SMF, which is bigger than the Seb but just as well made as my SNG, a lil bit better maybe. A Spyderco Military, a Benchmade Ritter Griptilian and a Benchmade Rukus. All three are at the top of their respective lines. All three are great performers. But they don't hold a candle to the Sebenza, and I think that their manufacturers will be the first to say so.

I think custom folders are the next frontier for you man.
 
I agree on the 'custom' word.

There are production knives, hand-made knives, and in-between. CRK knives fall into the high-end of the in-between, and there are very few others in that niche.

A custom knife must be ordered to my design or fitting, and made especially for me. Note that this could be all hand-made, or an in-between with (for instance) a custom handle material, or a production (like a Buck custom shop).

Greg

I think of design and execution as two almost completely separate things. The methods by which something is constructed is execution. The manner in which something is configured is design. The fact that something is made entirely or largely by hand says absolutely nothing about the extent to which it's customized.

Sebenzas are basically machine-made and hand-fit. The plain ones are clearly production products, and yet they are higher in quality than many hand-made knives. The reason for this is that CRK understands when to use the machine and when to use the hand, and they set their operation up around that idea. The design relys on having its parts machined to very close tolerances. Performing those operations by hand would be a step backward in quality, not forward. OTOH, you have to hand-fit a lock bar to its tang to really get it right.

So, IMO, the thing that makes the 'Benzas so good is the way that machine and hand operations are combined. And that is a matter of the quality of execution, not the design.

I guess it could be argued that a 'Benza or Umfaan with unique slabs is a 'customized' knife, but it is still a production product. "Custom" would be the result if I had designed the Umfaan, drawn it up, sent it to CRK and they had made just one to my specifications - regardless of the extent to which machines were involved.

If significant hand work is going to be done on a knife, I think it's important for that work to be well blended into the composition. This is another real strength of the CRK products. The grinds are generally very well executed, but then all the milling is done by machine. They work well together to form a nicely resolved composition.

I have two knives from famous makers that are kind of botched in this respect. On one, the blank is laser-cut, but the grinds don't have good symmetry. On the other, the grinds look great, but there's a flubbed machine cut. When you build something, you've got to think about how well the parts add up. CRK does that very well. It's entirely possible to do good work and yet have the sum of the parts fall short of what the whole should be. That can happen with design, execution, or both.
 
I would have to say Kabar and SOG, maybe Gerber.. Don't but a CRKT folder... not too good...
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I showed a neighbor of mine my Umfaan and she got very quiet and asked "Are you allowed to carry that?"

Baa-aa-aa.
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The Benchmade Skirmish is a wicked ti framelock, really nice, and the Darrel Ralph mid-tech Combat Elites are almost like oversized Sebenzas.

C'mon, be honest. She was talkin 'bout what ya had in yer other hand, right?
 
custrom is not bespoke

bespoke knife would have ben made specialy for you, a custom is customised from a standard design, with knives it could be anything from different blade steel, handle material or just taking the clip off to fit in a sheath
 
custrom is not bespoke

bespoke knife would have ben made specialy for you, a custom is customised from a standard design, with knives it could be anything from different blade steel, handle material or just taking the clip off to fit in a sheath

In the context you're using them, "custom" and "bespoke" are synonymous.

My point was mainly to differentiate between aspects of design and aspects of execution. Customization derives from design, not the method of fabrication.
 
In answer to the original post, William Henry's folders are at nearly the same level as CRK. Klotzli is also very close.

- Mark
 
Here's a fourth (or fifth) vote for the Bradley Alias. I still want a Sebenza, but less so now that I've bought an Alias II. "Compare" is needing definition, but the materials are nearly the same (same handle, blade and washers at least). The overall quality; well, how you gonna beat the Sebenza for $165? Kinda hard. If you want a strong titanium handled, S30V blade framelock with bronze washers, then you'll enjoy the Alias, but if you're like me, you'll still want to see what a Sebenza is all about.
 
Honestly..I have had so many different fixed blades and as for detail to finish, nothing compares to the CRK one piece range. They are a pleasure to behold. Strength wise, Busse flogs them. But the one piece range in CRK is just so classy!

I've got a few CRKs ... and a few Busses.

Love them both and will keep both.

My CRK one-piece knives may not be quite as sturdy as a Busse, but I have treated them quite badly ... and they just laugh at me. :D
 
Living in Boise, I know Chris Reeve & Scott Cook both. I own knives from both of them.
Scott worked for Chris guys... And although I'm not personally desiring Scott's folder, it is very good looking. I like his Owyhee (small) that I use for deer though!

I seriously love Chris' folders... I'm attempting to talk myself into getting a big old Seb with Ivory inlay... $650 is a whole lot to pay. But they look so good!

I lost where I was going with this... Anyway, I have been in both of their shops. I know Chris to have extreemly high specs and quality control/QA, and he works on his knives from a Tooling Engineer point of view. This is the person I want to have build my knife.
He puts all his knowledge and time tested skills into them.

Scott has creativity and still has a very... Kid like 'young-boy-ish' happiness to him when you are watching him work. Being around him almost made me want to find an old folder and play mumblety-peg. He seems much more happy just tinkering with what he does.

So for my serious time when I carry for protection, I go with Chris Reeves... For my time off in the hills and goofing... I take my Scott Cook.

In the end... With whatever you find, it is a personal choice.

I love them both.

Toe Jam
 
Here's an interesting quote from Sal of SPyderco:


More profit is usually associated with higher price. That's normal. Profit is usually a percentage of sales price. To think that a high priced auto should garner the same proft as a low priced auto is not in accord with business. It might be the same percentage, but being more expensive, it will be more profit.

Unless you are a manufacturer, familiar with close tolerance manufacturing of heat treated steel & Titanium parts, you are not likely to be able to see all of the differences between one of Chris' knives and others. For example; CRK keeps 0.0005 tolerance on surface grinding. That's one sixth the thickness of a hair. Do you have the knowledsge and equipment to discover that tolerance?

In the end, it's all about trust. CRK took many years to build and maintain their repuation. Built with consistent focus. Even those trying to make a "cheaper" version must "leave out processes" or "soften their tolerance", or they will cost as much.

Rarely do you pay for the "name". That's a bullshit sales pitch made up by the ignorant claiming to offer the same for less. Money valuation between countries might offer a "deal" for a while until the money value balances, but all in all, you will get what you pay for.

sal
 
I have a fair range and variety of Spyderco folders, all of them very good. However, IMHO none of them are in the same class as the Sebenza for fit, finish, solid construction and overall feel in the hand. I also like the more traditional style of the Sebbie.

I've only handled one Strider (frame lock) and remember thinking that it felt quite solid and well made, but as already mentioned they are definitely designd to appeal to a specific market.

The CRK fixed blades are superb in every way. I would trust one anywhere, anytime. But, if you want " in your face muscle" in a fixed blade just get a Busse.

Maybe this analogy will explain my view on the the two brands of fixed blades.

CRK Fixed= Ferrari (Good looks speed power)
Busse = American muscle car (Not here to look pretty, Big V8 get out of my way power)

So I don't think you'd go wrong with either of these brands, just depends on your tastes and prefernces.

I'm sure there are other brands out there but I only have experience with the ones mentioned in ths post.
 
i have no clue where you got the basis of your reply????? last time i checked there was a very well made knife WITH the same blade steel as the sebenza readily available for 100$(spyderco military)...and i'm susposed to believe the sebenza is more capableeeeeeeee WHY?

I own four Millies. I can say without a doubt that the Sebbie is on a higher level in every way. You cannot compare two slabs of titatinum machined with tight tolerences, quality bushes, frame lock, quality steel blade all being put together by hand to the Millie which is all of the above but with a liner lock and G10 scales.

(With respect) Your post leads me to believe that you have not handled a Sebbie long enough to establish a valid opinion of it.
 
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