who here HATES torx screws?

I've noticed that most of the high quality knife companies in Japan still use phillips head screws......Al Mar.....Sekicut, etc.
Does anyone know why? I asked Al Mar, but they just ignored the question. :confused:
 
Paladin2443 said:
I've noticed that most of the high quality knife companies in Japan still use phillips head screws......Al Mar.....Sekicut, etc.
Does anyone know why? I asked Al Mar, but they just ignored the question. :confused:
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In Japan tradition and precision are respected, things that work are not discarded quickly, especially in something as basic as a knife. On the other hand, Japan is a country that likes the newest and the best.

Between these two poles lie a variety of quality and price, and only you can determine the value. Seki is still a good value in my opinion....usually.

midget - Get with the program! Never heard of torx before!?! I bet that if you look at your car there are tons of them! Or try your washer/dryer? Just drag yourself into the 21st century, get a set of Wiha drivers and quit whining about it. (And while you're at it, pick up a couple silicon oven mitts.)


Steve-O
 
LyonHaert said:
I will admit that while telekinesis would be handy, too much could go wrong if the subconscious had any weight in the matter.
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no no no! you're ruining it! ;)

it ignores wayward thoughts, but has a built in neural-safety, where it stops driving if your situation becomes "unstable". :p

abe
 
Torx screws are great. But you must make sure to use quality drivers. NEVER EVER use screwdrivers sold as "star". They will bugger up your screws and probably bugger themselves up at the same time. Wiha, Chapman tools, and Snap-On are three companies which make top quality torx bits (and other bits for that matter). I believe that the small Craftsman torx drivers are really rebranded Wiha.

Personally, I prefer the Robertson square drive: it never cams out, the screws never fall off and it never ever strips. I've only seen them in woodwork, never on a knife. Torx screws are a close second though.
 
With the right tools I don't really mind Torx, but for some reason I prefer Square Drive...

Can't stand flat head, philips is good tho.
 
Steve-O said:
In Japan tradition and precision are respected, things that work are not discarded quickly, especially in something as basic as a knife. On the other hand, Japan is a country that likes the newest and the best.

Between these two poles lie a variety of quality and price, and only you can determine the value. Seki is still a good value in my opinion....usually.
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Steve-O.........

There's no doubt at all about the quality and value of Al Mar or Seki in my mind.

I just bought a Seki SC-168. Not only is it beautiful, but it's the sharpest knife I've ever seen! It has bitten me twice already,
and both times I didn't even know it until I saw the blood! :(

BTW, the best value in a Torx driver is the Husky unit that Home Depot sells for $5.99. It has drivers from #4 to #15,
so all bases are covered......with reference to knife maintenance. :)
 
710BMFAN said:
Why the hell does everyone think that any size phillips bit will take out any size phillips screw?
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Oops. No wonder all these phillips screws I have here are all beat up.

Seriously, though, an advantage of Phillips over Torx is that you don't need the exact size bit for any given screw. I make do with 3 or 4 phillips sizes, which are useful for a wide range of screw sizes.
 
LyonHaert said:
What happens when Murphy's Law strikes and someone interrupts your thought process of unscrewing/screwing these ThoughtScrews, and it:
A. Goes flying off into the unknown?
B. Tightens too far and strips its own threads?
C. Does something other bizarre thing because it's controlled by suddenly disrupted thought patterns?

I will admit that while telekinesis would be handy, too much could go wrong if the subconscious had any weight in the matter.
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The thing about it is it takes time to develop the kind of focus to employ the TK so if you do get distracted it just stops working, so unless you're real good, you're back at square one as with a slotted screw. Plus the whole feedback thing is tricky because you don't get that manual "feel" when tightening resulting in many a stripped thread (not unlike this thread :D ).

I'll stick with the Torx. The set I got at Sears is very nice. It comes with T5, T6, T7, T8, T10, T15, Ph00, Ph0, Ph1, Flat 2, 3, & 3.5 heads in six bits, four of which store in the handle, one on the tip and one on the inside of the handle cap which can be used as a driver itself. That comes in handy when you are using more than one size. The whole unit is roughly shaped like a capped pen with a fat cap. It is six inches long but can telescope to 8.5" which is secured with a knurled screw cuff. Best of all is the Craftsman warranty.

Any screw beats a rivet where a knives are concerned.
 
After I got my Husky torx set from Home Depot, I love them.

I distorted the phillips head screw on my Spyderco navigator clip when I unscrewed it due to the torque. Now it's a little rough on the edges. Never happened with a torx.

Mike
 
Torx don't strip out as much or as easy as the hex head does. I can't tell you how many times I've had to cut a slot into a hex head screw to make it a straight head screwdriver type head. I've never had to do that to a torx so, I would have to say put me in the 'I favor the torx' category.
 
One more thing.I think alot of the sturdiness of the screws have to do with what materials they are made of and if they are made in the USA or imported from lower quality manufacturers overseas.
 
TOMBSTONE said:
One more thing.I think alot of the sturdiness of the screws have to do with what materials they are made of and if they are made in the USA or imported from lower quality manufacturers overseas.
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I've been researching micro screws. I was told by several american companies the best micro screws are coming from China. They have the newest machinery. :eek: Food for thought.

Torx is still the best for machine screws. ;)
 
Chuck Bybee said:
I've been researching micro screws. I was told by several american companies the best micro screws are coming from China. They have the newest machinery. :eek: Food for thought.

Torx is still the best for machine screws. ;)
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Yes, they tell you that so they can continue to buy cheap and sell at higher profit instead of keeping us Americans employed producing quality products.I have gone to a local fasteners distributor,and just about everything is imported.It is the worst junk I have ever used.I actually crushed the threads on a screw attaching a recoil pad on my synthetic shotgun stock using a pre-drilled factory hole. :barf: :barf:
 
TOMBSTONE said:
Yes, they tell you that so they can continue to buy cheap and sell at higher profit instead of keeping us Americans employed producing quality products.
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Why would American companies say this? The business world survives on repeat business. How long will they stay in business if they lie to their customers?

I compared the screws myself. The hardness was more uniform, the accuracy of the thread was better and the heads were polished better. I compared against several US company made screws.

TOMBSTONE said:
I have gone to a local fasteners distributor,and just about everything is imported. It is the worst junk I have ever used. I actually crushed the threads on a screw attaching a recoil pad on my synthetic shotgun stock using a pre-drilled factory hole.
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Why did you buy the inferior screws? Did you return the screws and ask for replacement or a refund? Let the distributor know they are selling crap.

When I worked in aerospace I got to see the quality of Chinese parts and labor. When required by specifications their quality is great. It was so good it was scary.

As long as we keep blaming someone else we will continue to lose.

Torx is still the best (again)!
 
I bought them because all they has was imported crap.This is a big supplier.I complained about have non-domestic hardware,but he didn't seem to care.All the other schmucks keep buying their crap too.Go to wally world and everything is made in China,indonesia,Korea etc.They don't keep having repeat customers because of the good quality.It is almost impossible to find USA made items anymore.People care about price and consider quality later.PLus what is the difference between one China made item compared to another made in India when there are no American products being sold as another option? I even tried to find USA fasteners on line,they only sell in bulk.I want to buy a few screws at a time.Oh well I give up,Torx still suck though,you can have them ;)
 
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