Who is copying who's axis or similar?

Ya, I agree, I pointed that out a few responses above. Whatever that lock is above, it's not an axis, in fact it works backwards.

Serg, do you know how Gerber's (and now Meyerco's, right?) bolt-action lock works?

Joe
 
Yeah... You might have a point..this does looks odd for and axis. Maybe the locking bar grips in the spring like on the locking wengers? But that also means that you can combine an axis with an auto..now that would be cool.

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I don't have anything to add, except MAN that Koyama is one sweet looking knife!

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Joe,

You are correct in the several points aboove, I believe that I just stated my feelings and opinions a tad too strong on the matter, now that I look at it in retrospect.

The design changes between the two are more than just a difference between a straight line pin movement and an arc. But I still feel that the Neely is probably a direct inspriation or starting point for the Axis design, but you are right, not a direct copy by any means.

Like I said above, I have two Neely locks the larger of the two does not see much regular use except as a finger toy( I have a tendency to always have something in my hand to twirl about). The smaller sees regular use in my front pocket as a small carry piece( I usually carry one small and one larger). When I use this knife I think of it as a slip-joint and not a locking knife. I have not cut myself with it due to it folding up, but I have learned nonetheless not to trust the lock tht much.

I have looked at the bolt action before but one of the things that I think of as the main similarity I don't remember exactly. That being that where the bolt engages in the tang of the blade, I can't recall whether it slides across the top of the tang(like the Axis or Neely) or into a cut hole in the very rearward of the tang.

Thanks and Take care.

Andy
 
Joe,
The BLackie Collins designed BOLT ACTION is a fantastic lock. The are around for VERY little $$$$$$. Do yourself a favor and pick one up for reference...and they are usually pretty good knives also.

The Bolt Action and the AXIS are similar in principle, but not in execution. The locking bar on the BOLT ACTION moves INLINE with the blade, not 90 degrees to it. Thus, the BOLT ACTION needs only 1 spring, powering it from behind. Think of the bolt like a plunger, with a coil spring behind it. If memory serves, the bolt is about .25" hardened steel rod, with a flat milled onto its underside that rides up on the tang [the tang area fo the blade resembles a AXIS blade] of the blade. The system is very "enclosed" compared to the AXIS. I guess you could say that it was a downside that the BOLT ACTION only had 1 thumb button, but some would think that is an advantage, because its 'half' as many things to accidently hit and unlock.

Booth are great locks, I've never had either of the fail me. I've of course carried an AXIS a bit in the last couple of years for testing sake, but I have ALOT of experience with a BOLT ACTION. My Dad was with GERBER KNIVES when I was in College, and I carried a BOLT ACTION as my "tactical folder of choice" for years, before we knew what tactical folders were. The lock is awesome, and as I mentioned the basic knife is pretty dam good too.

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Will,

I remember when I first started really becoming a knife fan -- late '80s I think -- occasionally there would be discussion about locks, and invariably a few people would chime in about the Bolt Action, how strong and reliable it was. At the time, I wasn't really thinking critically about knives, and had bought into the liner lock hype, so I dismissed all those folks. I think I will pick up a Bolt Action to check out!

It's Meyerco making Bolt Actions now, isn't it?
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Joe Talmadge:
Even knowing that, I still don't give the Neely lock that much credit. It's a lock that I have always thought was a terrible idea -- if your blade gets stuck and you pull back a little, the damn thing unlocks! Joe</font>
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I have often seen it referred to as the "Nearly lock".

Someone posted pictures of their stitches from the knife closing on them when they shook it dry from cleaning it.

I will have to check out the olt action. Does anyone know of any sources?



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Ooooopssss, I'm sorry Joe,
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">That is, when the 710's blade is fully open, the bolt (and button) is pulled forward onto the blade tang by the omega springs. To unlock the knife, you pull the button backwards. In the picture above, the knife is locked open and the button and bolt are all the way to the back.</font>
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I didn't considered this your statement. Probably I have skipped it because entire discussion turned to patent clearance and usually I'm skipping such statements, simply I know near the nothing about this matter.

I can imagine how bolt action lock works, especially after Will's explanation but I have never dealt with it.
 
I've got all of Gerber's Bolt Action models; I became smitten with the design in the late '80's/early 90's. They had a plain-jane drop-point model, one similar that you can exchange the blade for a saw, one with a gut hook, a filet knife model that's about the same size as the Spydie Catcherman opened and closed, and the Parabellum, which has a Randall-style border patrol handle and can be sheathed open or closed.

The Bolt Action for me was a great alternative to liner locks like the Puma Huntec, that I could see wearing across the blade tang in a matter of weeks and resulting in a wobbly blade. The regular drop point model can be opened with one hand by using your thumb on the blade as if there's a stud there. It's very smooth...

As far as I can tell, the Bolt is 410-or-so stainless that is in the shape of a wedge, thinning out at the point of contact with the blade. As the Bolt slides forward, it sandwiches between the blade tang and the zytel of the handle creating almost a friction fit. The harder you push up on the Bolt, the tighter the lockup laterally and otherwise.

I'm biased when it comes to the Axis mech, but the inventors (Jason Williams and Bill McHenry) told me that they had been working on it and perfecting it since the early '90's. They're good guys, and my money's on them as the originators of the locking bar concept (not all that similar to the Bolt Action).

Professor.

 
Forgot to mention that the filet knife and the drop point model are indespensible in the kitchen.

Professor.
 
Jay Williams and I invented the Axis,we began work on it in `93.We were aware of both the Bolt Action and the Neely Lock at that time,among many other mechanisms.We have made quite a variety of mechanisms over the years and continue to do so.We have built the Axis in an automatic form and the patent on this is pending,and should be issuing quite soon.

The Axis lock anticedes the SOG and Cold Steel new-gen efforts,and we will not discuss this subject at this time.The Axis Lock[TM] is property of Mentor Group,a DeAsis Family holding,and other than Benchmade Knife Company,at this time McHenry and Williams Metalsmiths are the only licensed manufacturers.Custom Axis Locks are available only from us and on an extremely limited basis.At this time I am accepting no custom orders and Jason is booked well into the future.It is entirely up to Lester De Asis to grant permission for anyone to use this mechanism,not M&W.

The Axis Lock mechanism has been granted a US Patent, # 5,737,841 .The date on this document is Apr. 14, 1998.International patent protection is in effect.

I hope this clears this up.I can be reached at ;

bmchenry@benchmade.com

Thanks,

Bill
 
Hi Bill, I was keeping an eye on this thread to see you weigh in. That's great news about the upcoming patent. I'd love to see something go into production soon, but I know how these things can take time.
Keep the momentum going on this one for us.
thanks,
Erik
 
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