Who is okay with linerlock slip ?

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craytab said:
When people drink marketing cool aid rather than reading the fine print in the warranty it makes me wonder about said people :thumbup:
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I get what you're saying, but for me personally if a company doesn't live up to the marketing I stay away from that company. There are enough quality manufacturers out there that I don't have to waste my time with people that think little enough of me to lie in an attempt to separate me from my money. If the folks running the company are comfortable with the marketing being full of lies, they likely have no problems feeding their customers lies when it comes to customer service and warranty work as well. You're better off just dealing with the companies that are run honestly, in my experience.

To apply that to your statement, if a company is marketing their liner lock as a hard use knife I'd write that company off altogether rather than read the fine print in their warranty.
 
spketch said:
I don't tolerate any amount of slipping on a liner or frame lock. Slight blade play is really not the big deal some people make it out to be, but if the lockbar is actually slipping I consider that a major flaw and would not trust or use the knife.
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+1. Bladeplay that doesn't affect performance is fine. Lock slip and I'm done with the knife.
 
Cory Hess said:
I get what you're saying, but for me personally if a company doesn't live up to the marketing I stay away from that company. There are enough quality manufacturers out there that I don't have to waste my time with people that think little enough of me to lie in an attempt to separate me from my money. If the folks running the company are comfortable with the marketing being full of lies, they likely have no problems feeding their customers lies when it comes to customer service and warranty work as well. You're better off just dealing with the companies that are run honestly, in my experience.

To apply that to your statement, if a company is marketing their liner lock as a hard use knife I'd write that company off altogether rather than read the fine print in their warranty.
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Im totally different. I dont read the marketing of a knife at all. I dont look at knife ads whatsoever. If I see a knife that interests me being sold on a forum or a dealer website I buy it and evaluate it on my own and on its own merits. If I read into ANY marketing for any product? I probably would have a lot more money in the bank and zero possessions.
 
PURPLEDC said:
Im totally different. I dont read the marketing of a knife at all. I dont look at knife ads whatsoever. If I see a knife that interests me being sold on a forum or a dealer website I buy it and evaluate it on my own and on its own merits. If I read into ANY marketing for any product? I probably would have a lot more money in the bank and zero possessions.
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I hear you, and I'm probably hard on companies. However, running my own business I've come across many people that were sold a bill of goods by a competitor who failed to stand behind their product. I can see how it's easy to blame the person that got lied to for not seeing it coming, but after a while I started wondering why those companies felt it necessary to lie to begin with. I don't lie to people, and have lost a couple customers because of it. However, many of those have come back after seeing what else was out there, and I've kept some good customers because they know that they can trust me. I no longer blame the victim in these cases. It's the companies that are doing wrong, not the person that doesn't know enough about the product to know that they're being deceived.

If you look through the maker's market here I feel that most are very honest about their products, and you can feel comfortable knowing that what you're buying is what you'll receive. Likewise, I feel that there's a couple manufacturers that attempt to present their knives in an honest way. With that option I don't understand why anybody would send their money to a company that openly lies about their product. Why reward somebody for attempting to take you for a fool? Even if you are savvy enough to doubt their word their intentions were to be dishonest. I prefer not to do business with people like that.

One of the steps I take when researching a knife is to look at the manufacturer's website to try to get a feel for how they'll stand behind that product. If they come across as overselling the knife, I'll look elsewhere.
 
If I wanted a slipjoint or friction folder, I'd buy one. A linerlock that slips under normal use is defective, no matter what knife.
 
I adjust all my linerlocks (which is mostly what I carry along with my SAK Tinker) so that the lock sits in the middle of the tang not on the spring side. Never had one "slip" on me having done that; but then I don't use folders for "hard use"(any folder will fail with "hard use") and I don't consider cutting card board or those d%&* clam packs (which I hate) "hard use" - that's just normal usage, I use a fixed blade for "hard use" applications whatever that means.
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Lock slip=return to manufacturer for repair...no I don't think it will cause a knife to fail under normal use, but when you pay what a lot of us do for a folding knife lock slip is an unacceptable defect.
 
Who knows when you ll need a strong folding knife. If I have a choice between a strong pocket knife and a less strong knife, other factors being comparable, I ll choose the strong one. Some people think I m simple minded.;)
 
shinyedges said:
Yup I feel the same way about the marketing of items, then when an uneducated consumer uses the tool in a "hard use" task and gets bit.. the company has the ability to say they meant "hard use" means what ever they feel is "hard use" ie.. cutting butter lol

Just so I don't have a pack of raving liner lock fans on my coat tails, MANY companies are guilty of the same marketing crap not just the company that makes the OP's knife.
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My question is pertaining to knives in general.

This has been something ive mulled over forever. Recent thread topics have inspired me to ask.

Thx.
 
Cory Hess said:
I hear you, and I'm probably hard on companies. However, running my own business I've come across many people that were sold a bill of goods by a competitor who failed to stand behind their product. I can see how it's easy to blame the person that got lied to for not seeing it coming, but after a while I started wondering why those companies felt it necessary to lie to begin with. I don't lie to people, and have lost a couple customers because of it. However, many of those have come back after seeing what else was out there, and I've kept some good customers because they know that they can trust me. I no longer blame the victim in these cases. It's the companies that are doing wrong, not the person that doesn't know enough about the product to know that they're being deceived.

If you look through the maker's market here I feel that most are very honest about their products, and you can feel comfortable knowing that what you're buying is what you'll receive. Likewise, I feel that there's a couple manufacturers that attempt to present their knives in an honest way. With that option I don't understand why anybody would send their money to a company that openly lies about their product. Why reward somebody for attempting to take you for a fool? Even if you are savvy enough to doubt their word their intentions were to be dishonest. I prefer not to do business with people like that.

One of the steps I take when researching a knife is to look at the manufacturer's website to try to get a feel for how they'll stand behind that product. If they come across as overselling the knife, I'll look elsewhere.
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Who is lying? I see a bunch of nebulous ad copy made to deceive the stupid. If that ad copy hurts your sensibilities fine. But to throw out accusations of lying is, well, just as bad as believing the ad copy. And when researching a knife to try to get a "feel" for the company for how they will "stand" behind their product, there is this thing that tells you exactly how they will stand behind their product, no nebulous ad copy interpretation needed, it's called the warranty.

PURPLEDC said:
Im totally different. I dont read the marketing of a knife at all. I dont look at knife ads whatsoever. If I see a knife that interests me being sold on a forum or a dealer website I buy it and evaluate it on my own and on its own merits. If I read into ANY marketing for any product? I probably would have a lot more money in the bank and zero possessions.
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Now that makes way too much logical sense. Knock it off!
 
So saying your the #1 hard use knife in the world doesn't imply being better than anyone else?
PURPLEDC said:
If I take a liner lock and put pressure on the spine of the blade and the liner slips at all I call that a failure. If I smack the spine of the blade and it slips I call it me being stupid.




I only know of a single company that actually makes serious claims at being superior to anyone else and I dont think its the one you are referring to. And at the end of the day, marketing is just marketing. I dont really blame the company for someone taking it literally. And really how cool would a knife ad in a magazine look if it said "We are Pretty good knives! We dont make the best product out there. They are OK, but there are less costly options that perform better for certain tasks!"
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I agree with this, to some its fixed blade or slip joint with all folder locks being equally inferior to a fixed blade. To me some locks are more resistant to disengagement then others, a knife sold as #1 hard use knife in the world that users a liner lock is in danger of cold steel suing them lol
whp said:
Who knows when you ll need a strong folding knife. If I have a choice between a strong pocket knife and a less strong knife, other factors being comparable, I ll choose the strong one. Some people think I m simple minded.;)
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Slipping under extreme duress, it bothers me as much as it bothers me knowing my chainsaw chain can slip and come undone, if I tried digging it into concrete, or my spade handle drill could potentially break my wrist if I hold it one handed and it grabs...

I tend not to abuse or mishandle my tools, and a (well made) Liner lock is just fine for my purposes.
 
shinyedges said:
So saying your the #1 hard use knife in the world doesn't imply being better than anyone else?
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Not if you understand the purpose of marketing. And if i go to most knifemakers websites they ALL claim that their goal is to make the best knife available. Also it depends on what context you take that statement. Saying you are the number 1 hard use knife in the world could simply mean that of the hard use knives currently available they are number one in sales and or popularity. It doesnt neccessarily mean they are the best. And even if so then the best in what sense? That isnt expressed nor is it implied for good legal reasons. Besides, I know redbull doesnt give me wings, i know that its gonna take me more than 15 minutes to save ten percent or more on my car insurance regardless of if everyone knows that. And i know that if i buy my daughter toy it most certainly isnt going to be as awesome as it was in the commercial. And i dont need a printed box to tell me so.
 
I understand your point of view. Just out of curiosity.. do you think a company can market their product in ANY way no matter how ambiguous or far from the truth? With zero accountability? And if a customer has a mis hap with said product its ALWAYS the stupid customers fault for buying a product that he believed could do something or was capable of tasks it actually wasn't due to the ambiguous marketing?
PURPLEDC said:
Not if you understand the purpose of marketing. And if i go to most knifemakers websites they ALL claim that their goal is to make the best knife available. Also it depends on what context you take that statement. Saying you are the number 1 hard use knife in the world could simply mean that of the hard use knives currently available they are number one in sales and or popularity. It doesnt neccessarily mean they are the best. And even if so then the best in what sense? That isnt expressed nor is it implied for good legal reasons. Besides, I know redbull doesnt give me wings, i know that its gonna take me more than 15 minutes to save ten percent or more on my car insurance regardless of if everyone knows that. And i know that if i buy my daughter toy it most certainly isnt going to be as awesome as it was in the commercial. And i dont need a printed box to tell me so.
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I'm well aware of how it works, I do agree with you stupid has no cure, but I also ask you the same question as purpledc.

Red bull was sued and lost over their use of "red bull gives you wings" fortunately there is a legal system to sort out marketing that out right lies or is TOO ambiguous to the point of dangerously misleading customers.

And once again i agree if someone thinks red bull will give them wings then they fall into the stupid group lol But allowing companies to market their item ANY way is wrong in my book as well. Young people need to learn and may not have the discerning ability of an older person or people of lower intellect for a variety of reasons shouldn't be misled to the point of danger because a company wants to make some coin.

Anyway i have a feeling your not getting what where im coming from so ill just end it here. I tried to explain my point of view.
craytab said:
What is hard use? Do they define it in any way what so ever? Nope. See how marketing works?
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spketch said:
Agreed.

Redlynx, slipjoints are a different beast. My swiss army knives take around 25-50oz of pressure to close the main blade, but you have to put that pressure on the blade though the entire arc of motion.

I have a bum liner lock which takes about the same amount of pressure at first. Once the lock slips off the tang though, the blade is free to swing completely closed with no resistance. This is very dangerous as one tap on the spine can slam the blade down on your fingers.
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True, the slipjoints I have include a fairly resistant back spring.
 
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