Who is okay with linerlock slip ?

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Murphy's Law applies in all cases...

If anything can go wrong; it will go wrong.
 
shinyedges said:
I'm well aware of how it works, I do agree with you stupid has no cure, but I also ask you the same question as purpledc.

Red bull was sued and lost over their use of "red bull gives you wings" fortunately there is a legal system to sort out marketing that out right lies or is TOO ambiguous to the point of dangerously misleading customers.

And once again i agree if someone thinks red bull will give them wings then they fall into the stupid group lol But allowing companies to market their item ANY way is wrong in my book as well. Young people need to learn and may not have the discerning ability of an older person or people of lower intellect for a variety of reasons shouldn't be misled to the point of danger because a company wants to make some coin.

Anyway i have a feeling your not getting what where im coming from so ill just end it here. I tried to explain my point of view.
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I know exactly what you are saying. Unfortunately it is not correct. Hard use is not defined in the warranty. In fact, the exact opposite is defined. A knife is to be used for nothing but cutting in most warranties (ZT specifically, which is what we are talking about). Stupid people can do whatever they stupidly want with their knives but the only thing covered by the company is in the warranty, not the marketing.
 
I had a Gerber lockback close on me when prying a staple out of wood. I think a working knife should be able to handle that. Once it happens to you, after the bloody cleanup, one becomes quite gunshy. For that reason I have since preferrred flippers or knives with choils which would contact the index finger instead of the edge upon accidental closing. That said, I have been using an axis lock knife as an edc for a while and it has no flipper or choil but has shown no sign of potential failure in normal working use. Extreme testing like Cold Steel does is interesting but unless a lock fails very easily I don't think it reveals much about safety in normal use.
 
Companies are liable for more than whats in their warranty, if they market a product with potential for misunderstanding and an injury occurs..... see how that works? Every day in the usa people win lawsuits for exactly that. Dont believe me? google is your friend.

Ambiguous loosely used words leave room for them to back out of a warranty, but in this case also for potential lawsuits. You never answered the question of manufacturer liability for how they sell their product.

I could be beating a dead horse here as clearly even though you think you understand, we are not on the same page. And believe it or not craytab just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make it incorrect.

oh and the knife the OP is talking about is an emerson not zt.
craytab said:
I know exactly what you are saying. Unfortunately it is not correct. Hard use is not defined in the warranty. In fact, the exact opposite is defined. A knife is to be used for nothing but cutting in most warranties (ZT specifically, which is what we are talking about). Stupid people can do whatever they stupidly want with their knives but the only thing covered by the company is in the warranty, not the marketing.
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shinyedges said:
I understand your point of view. Just out of curiosity.. do you think a company can market their product in ANY way no matter how ambiguous or far from the truth? With zero accountability? And if a customer has a mis hap with said product its ALWAYS the stupid customers fault for buying a product that he believed could do something or was capable of tasks it actually wasn't due to the ambiguous marketing?
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I think the accountability of using a knife should rest solely on the shoulders of the consumer regardless of the marketing. The only time i feel a company has any obligation to the consumer post sale is if the knife fails when being used in the manner in which it was designed. That is defined by the warranty, not the marketing. So i think a companies marketing can be as vague as they wish. Because marketing in most cases is not a legally binding outline of intended use. It is a tool for generating a feeling or interest in a product. It is not intended to go into specifics about an items intended purpose. Any assumptions made by the user because of the marketing is the customers fault in my eyes.

If its not outlined in the warranty disclaimer which as far as i know is the only legally binding contract the company engages in with the consumer then the burden of responsibility lies on the consumer. I think consumers these days look for any and every reason in which they can cry foul. Whether its hot coffee, a wet floor sign or a knife lock. I say use your common sense and quit looking for reason in which you dont have to. I find it ironic debating the concept of accountability with individuals who wish to not have any.

Edited to add: there are laws and rules about marketing. This is correct. But from what i understand it is to prevent false or grossly exaggerated claims. Redbull gives you wings is an actual statement that can be taken literally. Albeit you should never take it literally it is written that way. Saying you are the #1 hard use knife in the world has many possible intended or implied meanings of which there is no literal way to take it without embellishing exactly what was said. it exudes a feeling of confidence in the product without ever claiming anything regarding its capabilities.
 
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I hear ya, each state gives the consumer different rights when it comes to warranties, some more than others. In this case the marketing is up for question not the warranty and companies are held accountable for *false advertising* whether that is the case here or not is up for a judge and a room full of people to decide. Marketing should have guidelines or rules otherwise companies could say what ever the hell they want and cause more potential harm. Laws exist for a reason.
PURPLEDC said:
I think the accountability of using a knife should rest solely on the shoulders of the consumer regardless of the marketing. The only time i feel a company has any obligation to the consumer post sale is if the knife fails when being used in the manner in which it was designed. That is defined by the warranty, not the marketing. So i think a companies marketing can be as vague as they wish. Because marketing in most cases is not a legally binding outline of intended use. It is a tool for generating a feeling or interest in a product. It is not intended to go into specifics about an items intended purpose. Any assumptions made by the user because of the marketing is the customers fault in my eyes. If its not outlined in the warranty disclaimer which as far as i know is the only legally binding contract the company engages in with the consumer then the burden of responsibility lies on the consumer. I think consumers these days look for any and every reason in which they can cry foul.
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shinyedges said:
Companies are liable for more than whats in their warranty, if they market a product with potential for misunderstanding and an injury occurs..... see how that works? Every day in the usa people win lawsuits for exactly that. Dont believe me? google is your friend.

Ambiguous loosely used words leave room for them to back out of a warranty, but in this case also for potential lawsuits. You never answered the question of manufacturer liability for how they sell their product.

I could be beating a dead horse here as clearly even though you think you understand, we are not on the same page. And believe it or not craytab just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make it incorrect.

oh and the knife the OP is talking about is an emerson not zt.
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Okay, so let's see some evidence to back up your claim. Where are the law suits won by people suing "hard use" knife companies. Plain and simple. Prove it.
 
Dude now i remember why i have you on ignore lol

Your not stupid and can draw the parallel from other similar court cases where marketing has been found to be too far from the truth and the plaintiff was awarded. Or maybe you can't? hmm oh well. What did you say about stupid earlier? Being narrow minded doesn't make you seem smart.
craytab said:
Okay, so let's see some evidence to back up your claim. Where are the law suits won by people suing "hard use" knife companies. Plain and simple. Prove it.
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shinyedges said:
I hear ya, each state gives the consumer different rights when it comes to warranties, some more than others. In this case the marketing is up for question not the warranty and companies are held accountable for *false advertising* whether that is the case here or not is up for a judge and a room full of people to decide. Marketing should have guidelines or rules otherwise companies could say what ever the hell they want and cause more potential harm. Laws exist for a reason.
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Again i disagree. The dont think marketing does any harm. The people who innaccurately interpret its meaning do. I believe the person kills the man not the gun.

shinyedges said:
Dude now i remember why i have you on ignore lol

Your not stupid and can draw the parallel from other similar court cases where marketing has been found to be too far from the truth and the plaintiff was awarded. Or maybe you can't? hmm oh well. What did you say about stupid earlier? Being narrow minded doesn't make you seem smart.
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That right there is what i think the problem is. People drawing parallels when sometimes they dont exist.
 
shinyedges said:
How about this one:https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...=R5nz9EnZm9AyTiVgU-GMrg&bvm=bv.96952980,d.aWw


here is what the Federal Trade Commission says on the subject: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...LCoPVP0iIIo3QLijg&sig2=nbaTBSPAAP2k2-b4zyIIRQ
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Redbull made a specific claim that can be taken literally. Its not the same thing as saying number one hard use knife in the world. And redbull settled because sometimes its less costly to do so. It doesnt mean anyone would have won the lawsuit. It just meant it may cost less to settle than persue it in a court of law. The claim of emerson could have many many meanings. If you assume what that is its on you. Now if it said " emerson givea you an extra 4" where it counts" that is a little easier to call out. Of course it could mean the blade length but if you are a gold digging scammer or just plain stupid i could see someone getting into trouble.
 
red bull gives you wings can be taken literally? yea ok. We all got opinions its ok to disagree.
PURPLEDC said:
Redbull made a specific claim that can be taken literally. Its not the same thing as saying number one hard use knife in the world. And redbull settled because sometimes its less costly to do so. It doesnt mean anyone would have won the lawsuit. It just meant it may cost less to settle than persue it in a court of law. The claim of emerson could have many many meanings. If you assume what that is its on you. Now if it said " emerson givea you an extra 4" where it counts" that is a little easier to call out. Of course it could mean the blade length but if you are a gold digging scammer or just plain stupid i could see someone getting into trouble.
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Is this about marketing or locks? :confused:

If about locks, I don't want one that doesn't work.

If it's about marketing, well...every city I've ever been to has a pizza place that serves the "World's Best Pizza"...many times, more than one place in the same city makes the same claim! :eek:
Some of them must be making false claims, eh?
 
The worlds best pizza is subjective, Ive never had a pizza close on my fingers that was sold as the #1 hard use pizza on earth lol Tool with safety device that fails that is sold as the best of its kind....very different from taste bud perception. Imo anyway.
 
shinyedges said:
Dude now i remember why i have you on ignore lol

Your not stupid and can draw the parallel from other similar court cases where marketing has been found to be too far from the truth and the plaintiff was awarded. Or maybe you can't? hmm oh well. What did you say about stupid earlier? Being narrow minded doesn't make you seem smart.
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Well, since you are calling me stupid, stop reading what I am writing smarty! The Ignore list is there for a reason!

shinyedges said:
How about this one:https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...=R5nz9EnZm9AyTiVgU-GMrg&bvm=bv.96952980,d.aWw
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I didn't know red bull makes knives now?!?

Again, prove it.

stabman said:
Is this about marketing or locks? :confused:

If about locks, I don't want one that doesn't work.

If it's about marketing, well...every city I've ever been to has a pizza place that serves the "World's Best Pizza"...many times, more than one place in the same city makes the same claim! :eek:
Some of them must be making false claims, eh?
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Hey, I take great offense to that. The pizza place by my house does make the best pizza. They even say so.
 
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