Who wants the SJ Tac back in production?

xaman said:
Bring the Original Back!!!
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Right after the CG SFNO :D

It wouldn't matter for me as to newer or older, I had it bad for a SJT until I saw the SFNO and years ago I handled a few SJ's, great knives:thumbup: still :confused: why I didn't buy one or more of them.

Helle
 
not me. i can't stand the tac handles. after having used one, they are even uglier and less comfortable than i thought.

i guess i'll just keep paying a premium for the good stuff...
 
I'd prefer the original SJ ovewr the SJTAC. Not that I have anything against the SJTAC...I just like the original SJ better.
 
give it a few years, and it will come back around :)


or, you could custom order one to you specifications, with any additional goodies (like a blade catch, a nuclear spine, flown handle - you name it) and probably have it shipped to you by the time the new satin jack model is released :D
 
I never really liked tac handles on the sj
The original Satin Jack is far more appealing to me.:thumbup:
 
i hated the 3rd gen handles and didn't really like the ergo handles much better. and for that matter, didn't like the straight handled badger attacks handle either :eek::eek::eek:

the third gens felt to thin at the index finger, making them feel slippery in the hand (slipping backwards (blade going towards the fingers) to be precise).

the ergo's were to large and boxy. I know they were meant to reduce fatigue by their angle and design, but my hands got more tired using them because of having to be in a spread out grip and holding onto them tighter then something smaller like the basic 9 handle.

and the shba had to large of a finger swell, making it feel like you should have your hand more forward, or more backwards - but couldnt do either because the only "comfortable" position was dead center of the swell. it was also super handle heavy, but that was due to the smaller blade, not so much a flaw in the handle design.


but thats just me :D. I love the fusion handles as well as the tac handles. they fit my hand in every grip, and I have no major immediate problems with them. if I ever get around to using them really extensively, so that my fatigue rate starts to become an active factor in how I perceive the handle ergonomics, my opinions may change.
 
Tac handles are atrocious. I just got my first tac from knob, (mil overrun batac)
It just confirmed the way I felt about these handles. Just don't fell proper in the hand and they look goofy. There will never be anything as perfect as the ba3 or the original SJ handles. Thats my opinion and personal preference...:p
 
the certainly don't have the visual appeal of the previous handle designs, as they are a mish mash of ergonomic curvatures, but having tried to design the most "ergonomic grip" for a knife handle - all of my main curves came out roughly the same. a wide curve on back with a slightly heavier curve for the fingers, placed moreforward then the spine.

it is definitely a "4 grip" handle, either forward and centered, or reverse and centered (including ice pick variations). wich is slightly better then the shba wich was a 2 grip handle, forward center or forward ice pick.

the 3rd gens allowed you to move your hands back for more "chopping power". being that they were more cylindical with less radical curves, they had the ability to fit more hand sizes and grip styles - but I always felt that that was a drawback. by making it smaller then needed and lacking in major ergomic curvatures, the resulting handle was not particularly "great" at any given grip.


I consider the sjtac to be a heavy use knife, one that requires maximum grip strength, thus I prefer a more solid grip with less available grip variations then a smaller less stable grip that has more hand positions available on it. whenever I use the sjtac in a detailed fashion, I inevitably grab the back of hte knife and use the tip, rather then trying to work with it from the handle, so anything but a heavy grip on the handle isn't really needed.

for me anyways :p

I'm trying to get together all the pictures of the various grips I have... I know I have one set of tac vs. 3rd gen vs. eu17 somewhere...

also, I loved the eu17 handles. and they looked good to boot :D
 
okay! so. grip variations within the small busse lines - I don't have them all, but I have some pictures lying around...

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top to bottom = mini eu17 with eu17 style handles
NARK with tac handles
3rd gen .220 sj with 3rd gen handles

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heres the 3rd gen handles in hand. the index area is what always annoyed me with this, as well as having the entire finger curvature sloping towards the blade, making you hand feel like it was lsipping forward. this may have been amplified on the models i had, as all of them had reletively slippery canvas scales.

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eu17 handles in hand. I loved them. pretty much no complaints. I think that these are a valid replacement for the tac handles for those who don't like how resticting the tac handles are to hand position, or how large the palm swell/finger swell is. I wouldn't have minded one bit if they had been used in the production lines.

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tac handle in hand. again, your limited to only 1 comfortable position - wich is holding the dead center of the blade. but, the index and pinky area is thick enough to supply a firm grip, and the palm sweels are super severe like they are on the shba. I can see where someone wouldn't like them, especailly if they have smaller hands. but I love them.

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tac handle in hand # 2
 
now for some other smaller busse grips that lead to the new handles -

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the pbf 4"/killer bee handle. this was straighter then the larger pbf's, and represents one of the simplest busse handles. I liked it a lot, especailly with a thicker cord wrap. I can only assume that it would be very comfortable and utilitarian with slabs added - as long as they werent to rounded. I can't help but think that putting round scales on this handle would make it to "pole" like, suseptable to turning in the hand. one of the most tankish knives I've ever handled.

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8"pbf handle. these were tapered towards the blade without any palm swells or curves to speak of. they were okay but as a general duty knife I didn't like the handles all that much. having the pinky be so much wider then the index finger just felt wrong. but, as a fighter the handle kept your hand firmly pressed against the top/bottom gaurd, wich was very secure. I'm of the knife fighting school that involves pretty much only heavy push cut slashes and heavy handed one target stabs - so one solid grip position is just fine with me. woulda had to get rid of that choil to even consider it as a fighting knife though. choils have no place on any knife that is meant to keep you alive. (my opinion).

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the tiny little skeleton key. basically a miniturized 3rd gen handle. on a smaller knife, I liked the finger curvature better then on a larger knife because it was meant for detail work, and you couldn't really get a full grip anyways. most of the time, my fingers were on the first nuckle when holding it, rather then in a full fist grip.

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the police recruit (?) handle, with factory slabs (grooves added by me :( ). with the slabs that came from the factory - this is one of the more filling natural grips that I've handled from busse combat. if you grabbed a peice of putty an d gripped it into a "handle sized mass", thats what this feels like. really rock solid, about as good of a grip as I could expect from such a small handle/knife without being uncomfortable.

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the basic 7 grip. thin, but awesome. it's like a shba grip if the finger swell was toned down considerably. I personally liked the thinness of the handle because it gave you a more stable grip by reducing the possibility of the knife turning in your hand. and the 3 different textures on the resiprene-c actually made the knife feel more stable in the hand (though I don't know if it actually was).
 
OOOOH!
Thanks for comparison pics LVC

I'm with you on the EU's , those handles are super nice!!!
too bad they are almost impossible to find these days :grumpy:

As far as TAC goes, folks on the forums either love them or hate them

What happened to the SJ. the blade looks like it was tossed into a tree shredder for a second or two.

I'm gona post a thread later tonight to figure out how everyone feels about all these different handle types.. I'm sure we will get some insight out of it.
 
LVC: That police recruit with slabs on it is sweet. I love the frint.finger guard. That's what I am looking for in a Busse EDC. Very nice.
 
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straight handled badger attack handle. suuuuuuper heavy. 1/4" thick, and you felt it. the blade itself wasn't heavy enough to counteract how much metal was present in the handle, as well as the thick non-grooved handle slabs. the result was a very handle heavy blade. for me, the finger swell was too severe, and too wide. if my hands were larger, I think I would have liked it a lot more. but as it was, the hand positions were very akward and I could never blindly index where the edge would be because of how handle heavy it was. it almost felt like there wasn't a blade at all.

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fusion handle. I love it. pretty much no complaints. but my hand is the perfect size for it, so that probably has a huge affect on why I like it so much...

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ergo handle. I felt it was too boxy - specifically in the pinky area. the pinky portion of the hand is inherently the most weakest, and having the handle be so tall in that area forced the hand to grip that area harder then with other handles, so I found myself fatigueing in that area faster then I thought necessary.

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modified ergo - terror monkey style handle. oddly, by reducing the size of the pinky area it made it easy to use the e-handle for longer periods of time. BUT, the pinky area was still super tall, so this handle was always really akward for me. I liked it better then the standard ergo grip though.

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and the good ol' war boar. weird handle. I hate ringed knives, because I feel that a ring is more likely to break your finger if someone punches the hand/knife, kicks it, or you take a spill and try to catch yourself with that hand. the fingers just aren't made to take lateral stress on the fine finger bones. BUT, the ring was large, and you could strike fairly hard with it without the having the knife slip to bad. and no choil!!! :D:D overall I felt that the grip was very secure, but I would not want the ring on a normal knife. if my hands had been any smaller, the ring would have forced them into an akward drawn back position, or my pinky would be separated from a full fist grip (note that the pinky is pushed away from the natural curvature of the fingers), making it a little painful. I thought it was a good grip for the knife, but it had no personal funcitonality for me. maybe as a single edged knife...
 
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and just for the heck of it, active duty vs. custom active duty handles. I never liked the ad handles. the palm swell was to severe, forcing the hande to be to far back on the handle. when you gripped it hard it hurt the metacarpals.

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BUT!! the second you reduce the palm swell, you have an awesome handle. I loved this one, but couldn't stand the choil. I had no complaints about this handle.


I wish I had a lmrs and gw to compare, but neither of those blades interest me having had an ad. they both suffer from small blade choil syndrome :(
 
Uncle_Jarvis said:
OOOOH!
As far as TAC goes, folks on the forums either love them or hate them

What happened to the SJ. the blade looks like it was tossed into a tree shredder for a second or two.
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I can completely understand why someone wouldn't like them. they represent the same problems as the ad palm swell and the shba finger swell, just rearanged. the swell area is really big on the tac handles, and they are not sylistically "pure" in a aesthetic sence. it kind of requires that you have big hands, otherwise they will be very uncomfortable.

for my hand though, 'tis perfection in form. I'm holding a sjtac in my hand right now, and it is the most perfect knife I've ever held. I can't wait to see my super thin choiless custom, wich is a "sjtac as thin as you can get it, with no choil."... should be awesome.

the .220 sjle was a beater that I carried for (i think) 2 years. I sharpened the choil, and it had a lot of scratches and dust from use and the kydex sheath for it wich always had grit on it. I used that thing to chop wood and pry open doors/windows and such. it was a great beater. it was also shapened to 24 degree's per side, so the edge is larger then normal.

the other 3rd gen handle is my good old modded nick that is no longer with me. pure beater, it was transformed from a NICK to a recurved clip point (sorta) that was sj size.
 
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