Why are most survival blades 7'' long?

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I am about to buy the Becker crewman and this question popped up when I thought about buying its 7'' bigger brother. Why are most survival blades so long? I believe that they lose functionality without gaining much in the way of possible uses. Any comments?
 
the compromise in length is part of the "one tool" idea, if you had one tool, what would you rather have? so they make the knife 7" many of the better chopping blades are 9" but they are unweildly if used for the smaller tasks, some of the most usefull blades for smaller tasks are 3-4" but they dont chop well. so they go half way between to get some compromise preformance as a 7" blade. i would rather cary a 9" chopper and a small folder, you have both tools and each does its job better than the compromise blade.

some folks like a trio of a large chopper a medium skinning blade, and a folder, as their carry cutting tools. this goes back to some of the early 1900 hunting and camping tools.

alex
 
most experienced people recommend and use smaller knives with thinner blades because it's better.
 
Hi there,

IMO, there are 4 main tasks categories to deal with in survival :

1 - Chopping - Cutting small trees (say up to 4 inches diameter), branches, etc. Best tool : machete, hatchet, very long and fairly thin knife (say 9 inches and more).

2 - Finer wood working - Making a bow, arrows, traps, etc. That can be done with a machete, a large knife, a small fixed blade or even a good folder.

3 - Fine wood working - making a spoon, stuff like that. For that, you need a pointy, thin knife, or a larger one you would grab from the back of the blade and work from there.

4 - Skinning / field dressing - Any knife will do, unless double edged. Even a machete is great for large animals... but skinning/dressing a squirrel with a machete is pretty hard ;^) A small knife is useful here.

To me, a 7 inches knife is not good at any of these tasks, but at the same time it might be the only one that can perform all of them... not well, but you'll be able to work your way out with it.

Anyways, I personally always carry one of the following combos :

- 7" survival blade with saw on the spine + Carson M16 (light kit) or
- becker brute + buck 103 (skinner) (medium kit) or
- machete + buck 103 + Carson M16 (heavy kit)

You get the point...

Cheers,

David
 
I carry at least 3 edged tools and prefer that they overlap each other as far as tasks they can perform.

If the BK-10 is the only knife you carry, it'll probably do just fine for you. However, if you have a good folder for the fine work and if it has a saw included for notching and you add a stout machete, you'll find your days afield in a survival situation just got a whole lot easier.
 
Originally posted by grant4353
most experienced people recommend and use smaller knives with thinner blades because it's better.

I guess that would depend on what "experienced" people you are talking to. If you are talking about people who go out hiking and camping and practice some survival skills then yeah a small knife is ok. But if you are in a real world situation where you had that one knife then you bet bigger is better. They have been having this same discussion in Tactical Knives magazine for a few months now and you would be surprised at how many survival instructors say they carry a bigger blade.
 
Hello my choice is:

Short blade=Falkniven F1
Always on my belt for camp tasks like feather sticks, cooking chores ,field dressing, carving wood, "self defence".

Hatchet= little GB or Wildlife
Tied to my rucksack for make tinder, chopping, hammering my tarp sticks, open hard shell seeds.
IMO an hatchet outperform a long blade knife here in European woods and you have more uses from it.

Tool= Leatherman Squird+P38 can opener
Into my trouserpocket for peace of mind.

When I´m in city all the above stay at home and take my Leatherman Wave into my belt.

Ok that´s all folks!!.

Enjoy
 
If I am limited to having only one knife I want at least 9inches of sharpened steel from any of the reputable factories/makers out there. If I can have my druthers, I want a 9-11inch chopper,a small 4in fixed blade,and either my Rucksack folder or Leatherman Wave. Usually I carry something I have made myself but I sometimes carry Busses,Tops,Martindales,Gerbers,a BJ Mamba,or my Parrish Survivor. I usually choose my blades by what I plan on doing.If camping out the big guys go out. If I am hiking only with no planned stays I will take a smaller belt knife. Going to the big city sees me with a differt "survival" knife all together. The big knife/little knife arguement is really absurd to me because in a perfect world(where we all live:rolleyes: ) I would have both :D But just in case, I have learned how to get by with either. Heck I have even worked at trying to get by without either. Broken glass and sharp rocks will get a lot of cutting done.
 
guess that would depend on what "experienced" people you are talking to.

I'm talking about people who live it, natives would generally carry a small knife a tomahawk.
 
When you watch something about the Amazon how many small knives do you see? How many machetes? The same with any other primitive culture. The small knife does serve a purpose but for a general all around knife bigger is better. You said yourself along with a tomahawk. Not trying to start anything but this is from someone who is "experienced".
 
I understand the concept of having one knife that can perform all chores in a survival situaton, but if you truly are put in a situation that required you to survie, you would have to use what you have on you. What would that be? Not everyone ends up a castaway on an island, I think most survival sitations that would happen in our times would be if you are hiking or hunting in vast wilderness. Again you would have to use what you have on you. If it was me I would carry a large chopping knife and one or two smaller blades. My point being that if you are going to have ONE knife on you, why not two or three? For me they would be worth ANY extra weight in my gear.
Mace
 
Thanks for all the answers! To be honest, I will be using my knife as a componeny of an emergency back in my car, so along with my Swisstool rescue to come and my SAK, I would prefer to buy a folding axe than a large 7'' blade.
 
When you watch something about the Amazon how many small knives do you see? [What kind of a question is that??!!!] How many machetes?

The same with any other primitive culture.
ignorant

:yawn: Here's a few truely experienced people that recommend what i said, Tamarack Song, Calvin Rutsrum, tom brown jr, Mors Kochanski, tim Smith. Try skinning a deer with a machete. Here's something Tamarack wrote:

The Native travels as lightly and simply as possible. His choice of tools is based upon what will travel the most easily, be of the most use in a variety of situations, and be repairable - sharpenable in the field. We civilized People have somewhat different criteria in our tool selection, which is why, if you stood a Native next to a civilized Person, in any chosen era, you would see them differently equipped. The closer the civilized Person lives to the Native way, the closer his or her gear will come to the Native's.

Let's look at knives. Whether it be Pioneer Era or contemporary, the average non-Native Person will equip himself with a rather large knife. Witness the Bowie-style knives of the past and the survival knives of the present. In order to make that knife more versatile, two approaches have been used - the Swiss Army knife approach, and the all-in-one-tool approach. With the first approach, various tools are attached to the knife and/or inserted into the knife's hollow handle, to make the knife more versatile. The second approach is to modify the basic tool so that it can perform more functions. Some knives sport serrated edges that can be used for saws and scalers, forked or hooked ends, heavy-duty handles for pounding, and so on. Some of these knives are exceptional examples of Human ingenuity!

The Native will carry a small knife, and a tomahawk or something similar. The knife is used for projects such as carving and skinning, and larger projects are handled by the tomahawk.

What are the advantages and disadvantages of each approach? Neither one, in my estimation, is the right or wrong way. I think the big knives are good for People who spend short amounts of time outdoors, and aren't trying to make it a way of life, and the small knife-tomahawk approach works best for those who are spending longer periods of time outdoors.

The big knives are heavy, and either their size or their all-in-one approach ends up limiting their usefulness in a long-term Wilderness living situation. Most of them are hard to sharpen and repair with what is available in the Wilds. These are not important factors for the weekender or survivalist, and the benefits of the knives often outweigh these drawbacks. The all-in-one tool seldom functions as well as the specific tools they replace, but when the specific tool is not available, it's nice to have the do-everything one!

The Native, or the long-term Woods Person, needs more reliability, ease of maintenance, and better specific performance. The tomahawk can be broken down for ease of travel, and the handle can be quickly replaced with a branch. In fact, to save space and weight, the handle doesn't have to be taken along. The head can be used as an effective chopper, scraper and wedge - important tools for the full-time outdoors Person. The head is light-weight and compact, and can be sharpened with a Fieldstone.

I notice that the choice sometimes has more to do with image than with practicality. Also, experience helps People to decide which is best for them. Those who are going to use their tools in a combination of civilized and Native applications are often more apt to go the big, multipurpose knife approach. Many who initially take big knives into the Wilderness, will convert to the Native approach.

I don't feel that cost should be a factor in determining which tools will serve you best. The big knives can cost up to hundreds of dollars, and the small knife-tomahawk combination can be gotten for under $50.

A word on small knives: The most functional have blades that are around four inches in length so that they are easy to control, they do not have a finger guard, which often gets in the way of intricate work, they are not recurved, so that they can be used as an awl or drill, they have wooden handles which can be replaced in the field, they are made of a thin steel so that they cut rather than wedge, and, like the tomahawk, they are made of an un-brittle steel that will flex rather than chip or break, and is soft enough to sharpen with a natural Stone.

Small knives are safer and more reliable if they have no moving parts. Folding knives are difficult to repair in the Wilderness, and cannot perform as well as a one-piece. Also, the handle should be shaped so that it can be grabbed by either hand, and the knife can be used in either direction. This also allows the knife to be spun in the hands, and be used as a drill
 
LMAO, Is he saying the Indians/natives/ didnt live primitive.
As I recall doesnt Tamarack Song have a PRIMITIVE Wigwam camp on a lake shore in the northern wisconsin forest?LMAO

Try going through the Amazon with a tomahawk and a small fixed blade LMAO You will realize your tools are useless.

What it all comes down to is what you know how to use best.
 
I think the tools you use depend mainly on the environment and the tasks you have planned.

Machetes are used in the rain forest because you have to do alot of chopping. A small knife and a hatchet don't cut through undergrowth the way a machete does. The main diet is likely to be plants and fish (I would have thought). You also have one tool to do a variety of jobs, which cuts down on what you have to carry, and what you have to barter to get the tool. (they gotta get'em from somewhere, cos they sure aren't all metal smiths in the jungle!)

BUT, take yourself to pine forests and you'll see the advantage in having a small knife, and an axe. Fire's more important in a colder climate so you need to chop wood, and an axe is better for that than a machete. Plus you've got less food readily available in the form of vegitation, so a diet based more on meat is needed, and a smaller knife is more useful for skinning and preparing meat.

As has been said, going for a hike you probably only need one or two knives that can, at a stretch, perform many different functions. If you're planning on living off the land for a bit I'd suggest a few more, specialised tools would be useful.

I personally think that a 2-3" blade, 7" blade, and a small axe are a great combo for temperate regions. However, another good pairing which could cut down weight would be a 3-4" blade and a 9-10" blade, that would cover most of what the first one would, but in a more economical way.

Matt
 
Matt,
I totally agree,
What I carry when staying out for long periods or short periods is always the same,I carry a 9-10 inch blade and a Rucksack,with these tools there isnt anything I cant do except maybe build a cabin:D

But what you said about enviorment is right,And I totally agree,If anyone wants to know how the people in Peru/Amazon live and what blades they use"machete's" and why they use them and what they use them on,Then I can highly recommend Jeff Randall's sight WWW.JUNGLETRAINING.COM
 
Your location will dictate your best choices. A machete is close to useless in the Rockies in wintertime, and your axe is close to useless in the Amazon with all the vines and undergrowth. The same applies to people, a soldier might need a 7" blade like a Ka-Bar, but all a hunter would need is a small fixed blade or a Buck 110.
 
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