Why are most survival blades 7'' long?

akraven, I agree. Thats why a small knife, a 7" blade knife and a folding saw go every where I go. They are fairly compact. The small knife and saw can go in my pockets. I think one of the best and most over looked survival tools is a folding saw.
 
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I have looked at the Leuku before and pretty impressed. Do you get it through Ragweed Forge? Is yours the Carbon or stainless version? akraven
 
I have used the carbon steel version from Rangar, the one in the set with the Puukko. It is a nice set.

Good for heavy stock removal in wood carving, did not use it for anything else.
 
akraven, I did buy mine from Ragnar. I also have a 4" Finnish Puukko I team it up with. Both these knives are screaming sharp and are easily field sharpened. A small 2" wide by 6" piece of leather for a strop, a ceramic rod and a 4" dmt diamond sharpener and your set for the duration. The Leukku chops as well as any 9" blade I have used, and the knife it's self only weighs 9 oz. The weight is balanced way forward on the blade and the thin blade makes it chop really well. It is perfect for baton work. I have baton it through a piece of 5" oak 12" long without damage. Like I said. The Leukku, folding saw and Finnish Puukko in combination can not be beat.

Geoff

BTW I got the Carbon steel on both.
 
Thomas Linton :

... have you mesured the difference in effort between cutting wood with a folding pruning saw (e.g., Fiskars) vs. a large knife

Yes, many times. Last year I brought along a couple of saws when I was cutting the winters wood and ran them against many blades including axes both felling and bucking trees. In regards to raw time and effort, on hard and dry wood, a quality pruning saw (you want it really coarse ~6 tpi) is several times to one more efficient than even a very large chopping blade both in regards to time, and especially for effort.

As the wood gets softer and especially sappier, the penetration of the blade goes way up and saws can starts to readily bind, and thus the gap narrows significantly. On clear white pine you can easily get 2+" of penetration (straight down) into a piece of 3" thick wood. This means that it is just seconds for a quality blade, and little to no effort, so the saw is of little benefit aside from being able to produce a clean cut.

Much also depends on how the wood is being cut. Yesterday I spent the day giving a hand to my brother hauling out ten truckloads oo wood. The truck he was using could not take heavy tail loads so much of the small wood in the pile had to be cut in half (the larger sticks were already short simply for practical ease of carry).

I had a large felling axe (5 star I reviewed awhile ago), a GB Wildlife hatchet, my Battle Mistress, and a timber saw [tashiro hardware]. The axe was inefficient on such felled wood. The wood had no ability to resist the impact of the axe and would just move and thus the penetration was relatively low. The Battle Mistress was much more efficient easily as good penetration with far less effort, but the blade length made it difficult to cut the wood of choice without hitting the other sticks in the pile unless time was spent moving the sticks over the edge, then holding them down and chopping away. The saw was also inefficient for the same reason. The hatchet was ideal and by far the best choice.

Now take the same task with slightly different conditions, use a sawhorse to cut the wood to lengths. The axe is now even more useless, the hatchet has no advantage over the knife regarding extra contacts, and the knife is generally more efficient on the lighter springer wood, the saw of course is now in its element and by far the most capable tool.

However take a look at felling such small wood, including the task of clearing away branches and other light vegetation. The axe is again far behind, the hatchet works well on the notching, but the blade is just as capable and much more so for removing the limbs and any introuding vegetation (we get a lot of Alders around here which grow like thick heavy vines). The saw does well on the under cut, but takes much more time to notch the wood and thus really wants a blade on wood of any size fo clear the notch, it is also far behind on limbs and light vegetation.

But, if the ground is very poor and the roots very unstable, then the tree may not be able to take heavy impacts as it will just move and absorb the energy. Get this kind of rooting on a hard tree and the blades and hatchets start to become very inefficient (more so for the hatchet). The saw is then by far the more efficient. When the wood gets very large, the long blade gets very unpractical and the hatchet puts ahead readily and the heavy felling axe takes over many times to one.

-Cliff
 
Thansk Geoff and Matt. Always appreciate a thought from somebody who has used what you are interested in. akraven
 
In my Opinion:

Servival knives are 7" or longer, usualy not by mutch, due to the fact you (we) have no idea what the heak the knife will be used for. Will it be used to make a shealter in the Northern Rockies? Or a lean-to in Brazil. Will I have to dig a hole with it? Or chop down a tree?

In my experiances I dont like a 7"+ blade as an "ordinary" tool. I prefer a stout 5" fixed blade with a nice confy handle.

For me the 5" (in Norther Canada) is enuf to keep me in fire, quarter a moose and clean my finger nails.

I also used that same 5" in South Africa, Simolia and Peru....I DID find area and uses for a larger knife...but in reality...I always had my 5"er with me.

Would I ONLY use a 5" knife in a jungle or the Rockies....NO! Jungle a machette, up here an axe, and atleas one type of saw. In winter I carry an 5"er a Foresters axe and 3 saws!
 
Oh ya forgot.

Some people out there (I aint one) proclame, and can do it. That a 7-9" blade can gut,hide an 1/4 an animal and make there kindling to boot
and have even seen one guy neadle a pine branch with a kukurie.

I quess its how your raised and the tool you have. Ol Jim Bridger and there like did actualy carry 6-8" maybe more blades, and did very well.

In the end its up to you what you wanna carry. And the uses the knife could do.

Me...IF I hade only one tool...it would be an axe...any type as long as it was good.
 
Same old story

1. "the bigger the better" I will say "the more comfortable the better".I saw hunters skinning and butchering a boar with folding buck on the other hand,I saw a woman peeling carottes and potatoes with a Kukri. Both weren't needing anything else.
2. What do people call "survival"? IMO in those moment, not matter the size you feel lucky if you have a cutting tool.
3."survival knives have 7" blade" what is a survival blade?
Those hollow handle with sawteeth in the fashion in the "80.
4. Survival skills must guide you to use all what you have with you
You must be able to bild a shelter with a SAK or a machete.
5. Personnaly I carry a Scout Recon or/and an axe, a Maarttini Puukko and a SAK when I 'm in the wild
6. This discussion remind me another one when I was going outdoors with other. They were always asking me "Damn, why do you need a blade when yopu come with us?"
7.I stopped going out with stupid people;)
 
the machety is issued 2 per squad in alaska extreamly usefull in cutting spruce limbs for thermal shelters and cutting down dead spruce 3/4in thick for fires plus cuts snow blocks for igloos quickly. issue 18in blade army type.
 
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