Why are people bashing my Skinny Ash?

[Joshua J.]

On second thought, maybe they're right.

I'll be happy to purchase the Mora of your choice and make a clean swap for you.

Heck... I'll even buy two for you.

That was my first thought. If people are telling you to get rid of a skinny ASH, it's probably because they want to buy it.

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I guess the scandi grind crowd can be pretty hard core though.

 

[Last Visible Canary]

What's a hrlm?
I have a CABS coming but I think the sheath maker Martin feels it may be too big of a piggy back knife.

it's not. You can piggy back a b11 to a moab if thats what you want to do, If the sheath maker doesn't think it will work then find another sheath maker. Theres no reason why a CABS couldn't be rigged to pretty much any other knife on the planet with the right sheath design.

I'm an ESEE fan and some have told me that I would have been better of with a ESEE-6.
I'm frustrated and just don't understand.

You would only be better off with an esee-6 if you liked the feature set of that knife better. 1095 at 57rc is good, but not fantastic. In use, you may not be able to tell the difference between either steel, but you will see the difference at the end of the use spectrum where things start to break (i.e. rocks in your wood).

The first thing, and by far the most important thing, to learn in order to avoid being frustrated with opinions like what your describing on the internet is to consider, realize, and accept that it is the internet. People in general will have wacky unrealistic views that are modified by their opinion of things that don't actually effect knives like marketing, sale methodology, and the image of the fan base. Much moreso on the internet. You will continue to have people give you such opinions as long as you seek to present your knife as being the best alternative out of a set.

People, in general, like to believe that what they have is the best. This is true of all gear, be it guns, hiking packs, knives, flashlights, you name it. Even though, in reality, the products are so close in performance that there is nearly zero chance of you ever experiencing the quality difference in real life, each camp will fight furiously to convince you that theirs is better than yours.

For your average user who doesn't do a lot of hard use work with their knives, there is actually not a whole lot of difference between the ash1 and esee-6. You are not drastically better off with an esee-6 in this instance, nor are you better off with an ash-1. Look at the topic rationally, logically, and realistically whenever you consider gear. If you aren't likely to use it to it's limits, you may be better off considering the financial cost over rugged construction or limits. If you actually expect to bring your gear to the breaking point, look at how they act in the real world, dissassociated from things that do not matter, such as the companies image, marketing tactics, or fanbase. If you don't want to be associated with any of that, just scrub the name off the knife and use it for what it is, a tool and nothing more.

There are several knife companies that have a huge amount of internet drama attached to them, most of them because at some point or another they have claimed to be the best, or better than, in their category. Busse combat is one of those companies.

 

[photographer4u]

Well like many have said before, either you really like Busse or you dont like them at all, but I think you will love the Skinny Ash, it will be an all around good knife....Me I love my Sar-4 and Badger Attack...they are just the right size for me and has never let me down!!!! So just enjoy a very well made knife, and dont worry about what others say....Some dont like it cause they cant afford them and just go with cheeper blades. But in the long run a Busse will never let you down.

 

[RoyalM]

There's a lot of good advice in the above posts. I think what you need to do is take your ASH out and use it over a weekend or trip that is typical of your intended usage. This should tell you how well the ASH works for you and also highlight what you need another knife to do for you. Most on here could easily armchair quaterback what you need and to be fair they'd be nearly bang on. The suggestion of a Swamp Warden, for example, is an excellent recommendation given the general needs of most after they have a good mid-sized blade (which of course you have in the Skinny ASH).

As for any flack you are taking for having a Skinny ASH well that goes with the territory. I bet is you said you had a Ka-Bar, ESEE 6, Cold Steel SRK or Fallkniven F1 and you were looking for a companion blade for it then you'd get similar comments about trading or selling your mid-sized. The only person that can tell you if you have a good knife is you and that will only come if the knife meets your needs. Either safe queen or user.

 

[resinguy]

I think LVC said it well; in everyday common chores, there may not be much difference between the ASH-1 and an ESEE 6, except maybe edge holding. But if pushed to the max, the Busse will prove superior.

You may have noticed another thing. People here will not bash another brand (except maybe Dork Ops). But on some other forums, Busse bashing is common. So it goes. <shrug>

 

[d762nato]

Sounds like jealousy too me too. Next time tell them you'll chop up their knife with your Skinny Ash and your knife will still be in one piece and wanting more. But i'll bet they can't say the same. Busse's knives have been tested over and over by forum members. By chopping up cinder blocks car roofs,doors. pieces of chain and on and on. There is an old thread around here some where we're someone's even chopping up some other production knives with a Busse knife. I just would'nt pay much attention to what the naysayers have to say anyway. To each his own bro.

 

[Gravelface]

You can't please everybody. Start looking at the .45acp and 9mm debates. Big domestic V-8, small import. Crotch rocket I4, cruiser v-twin. Blonde, redhead, brunette. Hard use knife or thin little mora / axe combo.

Unfortunately, there are others who need to belittle your decision to justify their own path due to their self-doubt.

Make yourself happy and don't let the fatherless grind you down.

If it works for you, you made the right decision.

And there are no other choices other than a .45, Big V8s, cruiser Vtwin, and Brunettes!!! And Busses

:thumbup::thumbup:

 

[BBQ BOY]

Thanks everyone for the input.
What do y'all think about piggy backing a Bravo Necker 1 or 2, Busse BAD or...... Dang I can't remember the name. I think it's the Culti.

 

[DowntownDM]

Thanks everyone for the input.
What do y'all think about piggy backing a Bravo Necker 1 or 2, Busse BAD or...... Dang I can't remember the name. I think it's the Culti.

I have a Culti, had a BAD, and have a CABS on order - and while they're all different shapes, they're more or less equivalent in size and each would piggyback just fine IMO.

I plan to have Martin make me a piggyback setup for my BWM LE and CABS. We had originally talked about using a Culti, but now that the CABS is imminent I'll be using it instead.

 

[mhawg]

A Skinny ASH1 and a Culti or BAD would make a great setup. I too think the ASH1 is a bit large for a standard bushcraft blade but if you don't mind toting it then it's a great bushcraft knife. The Howling Rat would be a bit more in line with other typical bushcraft style blades though.

 

[Last Visible Canary]

You may have noticed another thing. People here will not bash another brand (except maybe Dork Ops). But on some other forums, Busse bashing is common. So it goes. <shrug>

There are several brands that get regularly bashed. Mostly, they are brands that have some kind of unique marketing that describes themselves as the best in general, or to a particular market such as military. Busse Combat happens to have a little of both.

 

[krazichinaman]

I say just for fun, chop up a Mora with your skinny Ash and post it on the forums... Then ask the Mora fans if their favorite knife can do the same?

But in all seriousness, sometimes people will defend their opinions with illogical facts and bias. For my personal BOB I have my Fatty Ash and an Izula but I have yet to actually take it out to see how well the combo works. I believe you and I are both on the same patch of thinking. :thumbup:

 

[Cutshaw]

And there are no other choices other than a .45, Big V8s, cruiser Vtwin, and Redheads!!! And Busses

:thumbup::thumbup:

Fixed it for you. :thumbup:

 

[Skrapmetal]

There are several brands that get regularly bashed. Mostly, they are brands that have some kind of unique marketing that describes themselves as the best in general, or to a particular market such as military. Busse Combat happens to have a little of both.

And alot of fans/customers of those brands for some reason feel the need to belittle and bash other brands of the same type.

Some don't. But lots do.

 

[d762nato]

If you coud find a hack or bear cub hack that would be a good companion to your Skinny Ash too.
The beacub hack is really a light and small knife and would'nt even be noticed in the extra weight dept.

 

[banana-clip]

Most of the guys who bashed your ASH-1 were probably jealous.

 

[Eric Isaacson]

Ask the guys that are trying to change your mind if they have ever seen or handled an Skinny ASH in person. I guarantee you most of them haven't. They just see Busse and think "thick". They don't know what the Skinny ASH is or how it compares to any other Busse.
You did your research and you chose a fine knife for your needs, don't be concerned what others are saying. Go out and use it, enjoy it and if another Busse comes along that will fit your needs better you can probably sell this one for what you have in it. (bet you can't do that with a Mora )

Eric

 

[tundratrader]

Best deal going SS4? If you have a source for deals on any of those let me know

Eric might even have a swamp warden ready to ship. I would get that over a bravo necker.

 

[Silas]

I'm frustrated and just don't understand.

It's like this:

Say you go out and buy a Ferrari. Another guy buys a Civic and walks up to you and says, "Your an idiot. Why on earth would you waste your money on that Ferrari? You should have bought a Civic. Civic's are awesome!"

Now Civics are good cars, nothing wrong with them.


But they're no Ferrari.

 

[Bigfattyt]

I'm an ESEE fan and some have told me that I would have been better of with a ESEE-6.
I'm frustrated and just don't understand.

Post a pic of a Ferrari (enter any nice expensive car, motorcycle, gun, etc here), people will crap all over it.

Typically if some one says "you wasted your money" you can actually normally translate that to "I can't afford one, so I am going to trash your nice item", or "I have never even laid eyes on one in person, let alone used one"

The skinny Ash is an awesome knife. Use it and love it. Don't worry about whiny girly wusses.

Will the skinny Ash slice as easy as a super thin mora? No it won't. Will the mora handle hard use? No it won't.

Does that mean the Mora is a crappy knife? No, in fact, for the money the Mora is a great knife. Just use it for what it was intended.


The skinny Ash would benefit from a smaller companion knife, simply because some tasks are much easier with a smaller knife.

If you ever have to depend on the knife for survival, I would sure as hell rather have a Busse than any other knife I can think of.

Just plain balls to the walls tough.

If you want to see what your Skinny Ash will withstand, go over to Knifetests.com and watch the skinny ash destruction test. I have never, ever seen steel handle abuse like Infi can.

Would you have been better off with an ESSE/RAT cutlery?

Nope. They are great knives at a great price point. The steel has a great heat treat, and stellar warranty. 1095 is a great basic no nonsense steel. You can rely on it. Edge retention won't match the Infi. Resistance to chipping, impact, and lateral stress also won't match infi. Most importantly, corrosion resistance of Infi is much much better.

Tons of Infi hogs also love Esse's, and many many other knife manufacturers, not to mention customs........

If it works for what you need it to, then it is a "good" knife for you.

I would not feel under knifed with a good ESSE, or any number of other manufacturers. I just would not push them as hard as Infi.

Really, any decent steel with a decent heat treat will work just fine for me. I don't tend to do stupid insane things with my knives (unless you count throwing).

I have broken knives in my time. I have not broken any high quality knives (because once I pay for them, I tend to respect the investment).


Just use it and enjoy it. If you get tired of it, you will get most, if not all of your investment back, which is not true for most users!