Why are the Chris Reeve Knives 25th Anniversary Sebenza 2500$? Too expensive

If that were true this thread would have never come to be.

With that frame of thought you should be able to call up Chris and tell him you won't pay $2500 for the knife but you will toss him a ten spot.

Get back to us on how well that works would you?
 
No, capitalism is a FREE exchange. You can't force someone into a deal. BOTH sides have to agree, that's what makes up supply and demand, and it's a wonderful thing.

I'm certainly no CK fanboy, don't own any, and got rid of the one I had, but I don't begrudge Chris from making as much money as he can. More power to him! From everything I've read, he is a very ethical person, and pretty much personifies the American dream, and that's a VERY good thing.

Obviously, his knives ARE worth the price just by the simple reason that enough people are willing to pay his price to keep him in business. Good for him. I'm a very strong supporter of capitalism.
 
This thread exists because of it. People pay what they want, and when they don't, they get to say why they didn't pay.the freedom is in being able to offer different products to different people for different prices. I would gladly call and offer a ten. He wool tell me no. neither one of is is forced by the government to accept the terms and alter our financial position in a way we don't want to.
 
I am a CRK fan, not overly crazed about them but I do appreciate the craftsmanship. I own a fair share( less than 10) and I own a 25 prototype. For me I bought it for the collector aspect, knowing that given 10 years it will be worth substantily more upon which time I may decide to let it go. (Guess best way for me to relate it to something is it is kinda like an autograph, all it is is someones name but how much do they pull down when for sale. Especially when the autograph is limited.)

Also I beleive that he who dies with the best toys wins...I wanna win! :D
 
I wouldn't pay 2500 or a Sebenza, but I am interested in knives that cost 4-30 times that. I don't begrudge a man for getting what he can for his product, I do think it is ridiculous to criticize people for wanting to spend in their own estimates. On both sides it is about people exchanging their efforts for the efforts of others. A maker makes knives to earn money, and buyers exchange the money they've earned for those knives.
 
Hans17 said:
I'm convinced all CRKt's are about $200 overpriced and he knows it. But he wants it to stay that easy because he makes money off of the novelty/luxury out the knife.


My first CRK should arrive today, an umnumzaan. 3 Sebenza clones next week so I can compare quality for cost. And a small sebenza to come shortly after. These knives are great but don't get me wrong why are others able to produce an almost exact replica for $100 or less? I can't wait to get my real CRK but I'm seeing $85-$100 s35v blade Ti scales with ask the same features and looks but the real deal is $425 new.

The same goes for the wicked edge and edge pro. I just sharpened my spyderco tenacious on my $25 angle sharpener similar to the edge pro and it worked fantastic. I just don't see how the $165+ comes to be even with parts, labor and marketing.

Please understand that I will always be about supporting or local economy and buying American but sometimes when I just don't have the extra cash at the time and can get damn near the same product for dirt cheap elsewhere then I do. If I like the product and feel it's something worth the money then I save up and buy the real thing to support the inventor/business owner.

If the original product was more affordable people wouldn't even go searching for the clones. I'd gladly pay $50-$100 any day all day to support the man who invested his time, money, and ideas into a product. I plan to invent something and/or start a businesses in the future and would totally understand if someone was buying a similar item elsewhere at a lower cost but then I would be motivated to do whatever I could to get those customers back and keep them happy and loyal.

All about the real deal. About to upgrade to a wicked edge but I like giving the cheap stuff a gander. Curiosity and frustration I suppose.

Just my opinions and always possible that they might change. Feel free to agree, disagree, argue, enlighten, and support.

Ears open,
Hans
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You can't just look at the sum of its parts and claim something is too expensive. Brand name is also a big factor. It's why millions of people pay $80+ for Nike sneakers with parts not worth more than 2$.

If people are happy to pay $350+ for CRKs, then that's what they are worth. If someone is willing to pay $23 million for a Picasso, then that's what that piece of canvas with paint on it is worth.
 
Dane.Chichester said:
I am a CRK fan, not overly crazed about them but I do appreciate the craftsmanship. I own a fair share( less than 10) and I own a 25 prototype. For me I bought it for the collector aspect, knowing that given 10 years it will be worth substantily more upon which time I may decide to let it go. (Guess best way for me to relate it to something is it is kinda like an autograph, all it is is someones name but how much do they pull down when for sale. Especially when the autograph is limited.)

Also I beleive that he who dies with the best toys wins...I wanna win! :D
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There's one!! Get him!! But seriously it will probably just increase in value, I wouldn't do it because I don't collect but I can understand it for someone that does.
 
syntaxerrorsix said:
I hear a lot of free market haters.
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Free market is like a democracy, its effectiveness is directly proportional to the average intelligence of its constituent parts. IMO paying $2500 for a knife is not a very smart thing to do. That said, in principle, I don't have a problem with this type of exchange, the real problem with the free market is the opposite one, the fact that it encourages business owners to sell cheaply made products to boost profit.
 
Slightly off-topic, but:
I've seen countless unbelievably gorgeous, jaw-dropping Sebenzas. Now I know this one is all about collectibility, and whoever can afford this probably already has a collection of Sebenzas/CRK's, but aesthetically this to me is definitely in the top 3 ugliest Sebenzas I've ever seen. I don't quite understand how they arrived at such offensively hideous graphics when they're clearly capable of manufacturing world-class works of functional art..? (There has to be some explanation.)
http://www2.knifecenter.com/item/CRKSEB25PROTO/Chris-Reeve-Knives-25th-Anniversary-Large-Sebenza-Prototype
 
Jesse B. said:
Slightly off-topic, but:
I've seen countless unbelievably gorgeous, jaw-dropping Sebenzas. Now I know this one is all about collectibility, and whoever can afford this probably already has a collection of Sebenzas/CRK's, but aesthetically this to me is definitely in the top 3 ugliest Sebenzas I've ever seen. I don't quite understand how they arrived at such offensively hideous graphics when they're clearly capable of manufacturing world-class works of functional art..? (There has to be some explanation.)
http://www2.knifecenter.com/item/CRKSEB25PROTO/Chris-Reeve-Knives-25th-Anniversary-Large-Sebenza-Prototype
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the explanation is, everyone has an opinion, and not everyone shares yours.

CRK has always been about simplicity in their designs, manufactured with extreme precision. As this is a tribute to the plain sebenza, obviously, my opinion is the graphics chosen represent that.
 
^Fair enough, Jake. That makes sense. (I considered deleting my comment immediately after I wrote it but figured what the hell, it's honest and of course it's just one man's opinion.)
 
syntaxerrorsix said:
I hear a lot of free market haters.
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How's that?

syntaxerrorsix said:
Don't like it? Don't buy it.
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Doesn't mean I, or anyone else can't express an opinion, criticize product, price, marketing, etc... That's also part of the free market and society. Don't like it? Don't listen to it, but don't expect everyone else to be quiet.


syntaxerrorsix said:
Don't argue with me, argue with the market which sets the price.
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Free market is not a person, or a legal entity. In this particular case price was set by CRK, based on what, I dunno and neither do you. And for that matter, when you say free market sets the price, big part of it is consumer feedback, opinions they express, reception the product receives and many other factors. At least in theory that's how it's supposed to be.
 
Gator97 said:
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Free market is not a person, or a legal entity. In this particular case price was set by CRK, based on what, I dunno and neither do you........
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I'm quite certain the price was set as high as he thought he could sell it for. No real mystery there.
 
syntaxerrorsix said:
I'm quite certain the price was set as high as he thought he could sell it for. No real mystery there.
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Yep. He probably figured he was only making 25 so might as well charge 2500 a piece. Maybe he wanted to cover some new expenses. $62,500 for 25 knives is a fair sum of money. I would think a knife priced at $2500 might not skyrocket in value because it's already so expensive, but who knows. In 50 years it could be worth quite a bit more, but that remains to be seen.
 
The price is 2500 because its the 25th anniversary. if this was done 5 years ago, there would be 20 knives at 2000 each, and in five years, we could see 30 knives at 3000 each. The price is not just cost plus, there is a bit of marketing flair. There could have been 25 $/% sales, 25 giveaways, or some other promotion, but this fits in with the 'high end' status of the brand and feeds into the exclusivity.
 
syntaxerrorsix said:
I'm quite certain the price was set as high as he thought he could sell it for. No real mystery there.
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No, but you said it yourself, he set the price, not the mysterious free market... How it will sell on secondary market is closer to "free market"...
Regardless, criticism of price and whatever else doesn't mean hatred of the free market, it's part of it.
 
It could be worth quite less to because of light saber knives ;) Its a gamble to invest in something like that, just like its a gamble to invest in high dollar stocks. At least with the knife you have something if it (your investment) takes a bath. What i want to see is someone make a user out of it :D

Fanglekai said:
Yep. He probably figured he was only making 25 so might as well charge 2500 a piece. Maybe he wanted to cover some new expenses. $62,500 for 25 knives is a fair sum of money. I would think a knife priced at $2500 might not skyrocket in value because it's already so expensive, but who knows. In 50 years it could be worth quite a bit more, but that remains to be seen.
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Gator97 said:
No, but you said it yourself, he set the price, not the mysterious free market... How it will sell on secondary market is closer to "free market"...
Regardless, criticism of price and whatever else doesn't mean hatred of the free market, it's part of it.
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The free market will determine if his price is too high because if it is he won't sell them. If he was wrong you will know, the price will drop. He is working in concert with the free market. This is all very basic economics.
 
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