Why Buy A Buck Brahma?

Interesting comments from a variety of sources. For me, this new incarnation of the 119 just looks great. I snagged one off the shelf just because I favored the look and feel of the leather handles. The grip reminded of the classic (but now almost impossible to find) 49'er knives by Schrade.

Have hefted and used the hatchet. I don't feel that it is heavy enough for the breast bone endeavor, of course, this may be that I am used to a bigger axe for such things. As to the small knife: I love it. Maybe it reminds me of the older air force survival knife that I lost on a camping trip many moons previous.
 
I also note that the saber (aka flat or scandi -- they're all close) grind are widely accepted as being stronger for utility wood working use, as they have more metal behind the edge. In this light, I would say the Brahmas have the classic geometry of a hunting knife, but not of fighting utility Ka-Bar, nor the classic woods knives like the Marbles.

Yes, that's my opinion too. In a lot of cases it is easier to go with the hollow grind. Especially the saber grind is for heavy duty knife works.

Haebbie

Stubai, your nickname, are you named after the famous valley in Austria?
 
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My thought to the hollow grind: it is possible to sharpen the knife a lot of times without differences of the cutting
edge geometry. Flat gind and saber grind: the more you sharpen the thicker becomes your cutting edge, and from time to time you have to grind the bevel to get the original cutting geometry again.

I found this to be helpful information. Thanks Haebbie. Perhaps Buck uses hollow grind more often to make it easier for customers to sharpen.
 
I found this to be helpful information. Thanks Haebbie. Perhaps Buck uses hollow grind more often to make it easier for customers to sharpen.

BuckShack,

I think Buck uses the hollow grind for several very good reasons.

1) It is easier to sharpen over the life of the knife, just as Haebbie describes.

2) The hollow grind is excellent for hunting (Buck's core) and very good for most EDC uses (Buck's second focus).

3) The hollow grind produced by modern machinery allows for artistic/aesthetic flourishes through the use of fancy grind lines on the blade. Leroy Remer's art knives certainly explored this and IMO, you can see that artistic influence on knives like the 113 and Spitfire, with the gracefully curved grind lines. In short, these knives look good and good looking knives sell better than dull looking knives.

IMO, the tactical, survival and bushcraft markets have repopularized the the saber (Ka-bar, Benchmade, Mora) and full flat (ESEE, Becker, Spyderco) grinds. While Buck certainly has offerings in these areas, I think they're internally torn about moving too far away from their hollow grind comfort zone. The interplay of the Ron Hood specified full flat knives and the later hollow grind related knives has been interesting to watch. The Reaper would be a stronger knife with a saber or full flat grind than it currently is with its hollow grind. Easy enough to find videos and pictures of Reapers with busted out edges from battoning, for example. That's simply a matter of the limitations of the hollow grind in that particular use. I note that in the Wilderness, Outdoor and General forums here on Bladeforums, the big Buck fixed blades generally don't get much buzz compared to the ESEEs, Beckers, Busses, Moras, Condors and even the Ka-bar (that the Brahma is styled after) and I firmly believe their use of the hollow grind is the major reason. Buck's 420HC is great, the general of design of the knives are great (Compadre, Brahma, Mesa, Endeavor, Reaper), the price point is right. But the primary difference is that Buck uses a hollow grind on it's survival knives and others use either a saber/scandi or full-flat grind, both of which yield a stronger edge.
 
More on grinds...

Digging around, I found this FAQ written by Joe Talmadge.

Link to full article: http://www.knifeart.com/bladgeomfaqb.html

Relevant quote is below.

Note, what Talmadge refers to as a sabre grind is the same as what Buck calls a flat grind (on their flat ground 110s, anyway) and what Talmadge refers to as a flat grind might be clarified as a full-flat grind.

His descriptions agree with my experiences almost exactly. The only thing I've found that differs is that I find it relatively simple (albeit time consuming) to maintain a convex ground blade on a bench stone. I convert my Moras to convex and vastly prefer them that way.

EDITED TO ADD: the other difference I've found is that the slicing ability of a hollow grind in the kitchen can be vastly improved by flattening the grind's shoulder -- essentially making it at full flat grind above the grind line to the spine and effectively lowering the hollow towards the edge. I scrub down all my hollow grind users on a stone and it makes much better in the kitchen, as it eliminates the slicing problem that Talmadge correctly describes.

III. Blade Grinds

- The Hollow Grind

The hollow grind is done by taking two concave scoops out of the side of the blade. Many production companies use this grind, because it's easier to design machines to do it. But many custom makers grind this way as well. Its great advantage is that the edge is extraordinarily thin, and thin edges slice better. The disadvantage is that the thinner the edge, the weaker it is. Hollow ground edges can chip or roll over in harder use. And the hollow ground edge can't penetrate too far for food-type chopping, because the edge gets non-linearly thicker as it nears the spine.

For designs where slicing is important, but the slice doesn't need to go too deep, this grind is an excellent choice. Many hunting knives are hollow ground, because field dressing is often best done with a knife that slices exceptionally well through soft tissues. Unfortunately, if you hit a bone, you can chip the edge, so the flat grind (see below) is also used often.

Another advantage of the hollow ground knife, at least at the beginning, is ease of sharpening. Most hollow grinds thicken slightly towards the edge. That means that as you sharpen (at least at first), the blade gets thinner and easier to sharpen. After this, however, the blade begins thickening non-linearly and sharpening will become more difficult.

The ultimate push cutter, the straight razor, is usually hollow ground.

- The Chisel Grind

The chisel grind is a knife which is not ground at all on one side. So it is completely flat on one side, and has a bevel on the other. It is simple to produce (the maker need only grind one side), and simple to sharpen (it is sharpened on one side only, then the burr is stropped off the other side). It is also typically very sharp, due to the single bevel design. Whereas a blade ground on both sides might be sharpened at 20 degrees per side, for a total of 40-degrees edge angle, a chisel ground blade is often ground at around 30 degrees, making for a thin (and thus sharp) edge.

Accurate slices are very difficult with the chisel grind, due to the fact that the non-symmetrical design forces the knife to curve in the medium being cut.

- The Sabre Grind

The sabre grind is a strong edge format. The bevel starts around the middle of the blade, and proceeds flatly towards the edge. This leaves a strong edge for chopping and other hard use. But it also means the edge will be fairly thick, so this design will not necessarily slice all that well.

The sabre grind is found on many military classic designs such as the Randall #1 and the kabar.

- The Flat Grind

The flat grind endeavors to provide an edge that is both thin and strong, and leaves a strong thick spine. The grind is completely flat, going from the spine to the edge. This grind is harder to make, because a lot of steel needs to be ground away. However, the edge ends up being fairly thin and so cutting very well. Because the bevels are flat, there is plenty of metal backing the edge, so it's much stronger than a hollow grind. It is not as strong as a sabre grind, but will outcut that grind.

The edge on this design also penetrates better for slicing and chopping. The hollow grind expands non-linearly as you go up the blade, the sabre grind expands linearly but very quickly. The flat grind expands linearly and slowly. Kitchen knives are usually flat ground, because when chopping/slicing food you need to push the blade all the way through the food. This grind is an outstanding compromise between strength and cutting ability, sacrificing little for either.

- The Convex Grind

Also called the Moran grind, after Bill Moran. This grind is as you would expect, the grind arcs down in a convex curve down to the edge. This means the point can be very sharp, because there's no secondary bevels to create the edge itself, just two intersecting arcs. There is also a fair amount of steel behind the edge, because the convex arcs cause the edge to widen non-linearly. This is a strong-edge format, which won't penetrate like a flat grind but will be stronger. Knifemakers form this grind on a flat-belt grinder. A disadvantage of this grind is if you don't have a flat-belt grinder yourself, it is difficult to touch up the edge.
 
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Nice looking sheath for the Brahma :thumbup::thumbup:
 
My disdain for the Brahma is to my understanding it is not stainless steel.
Otherwise I like the look of it, till it gets rusty.
 
I wouldn't mind if they made it in 5160 actually. My new favorite Buck steel.
 
I'd say this:

#1 it is a buck

#2 it is a kabar/military trench knife.......I love those!!

#3 it is a sweet-looking knife....is there more??

I was looking at the Brahma and trying to justify a purchase when funding permits. It's not much of a hunting knife. Sure, it would be ok for butchering big game, but the Vanguard is about perfect, as an all-around hunting knife: gutting, skinning and butchering. The Selkirk is probably superior as a bushcraft knife. The camp knife, with the red blade, is probably superior for camping. What use would one have for what looks like a 119 on steroids? Well, if you're a man and like manly things, the Brahma is just about the coolest, macho-manly knife I've seen in a long time! Whip that baby out and your hunting buddies will hide! Let's face it, men are becoming so feminized, a macho knife is needed, more than any other knife, to correct the situation. When I get the money, I'm adding the Brahma to my collection. Any comments?

Joe
 
I would add.....and as someone who loves this genre.....I prefer the SOG Super Bowie. I have a Camillus Kabar from Vietnam.....from my dad when he was there and part of a special forces group.....and the SOG is the closest to that. I love Buck knives....and the Brahma is a great blade....the SOG is just a bit better.
 
I'm not thrilled with the SOG. It's $106 more than the Buck! It has a 7.5" blade. The 6" blade on the Brahma is a more useable length. AUS8 steel is no better than Buck's 420HC. Nope, I'm going with the Buck!

Joe
 
While I appreciate your opinion....mine varies....nothing more than that. I recognize SOG is more expensive........the difference in 1.5" of blade length isn't an issue with a bowie/trench-style knife....at least for me. I appreciate the handle on the SOG more....the Brahma is a bit to "robust" or "rounded" for my taste....simply in comparison. If someone gave me a Brahma.....I'd love it 'till the day I die......I'm just giving my preference on what I'd pick.

I'm not thrilled with the SOG. It's $106 more than the Buck! It has a 7.5" blade. The 6" blade on the Brahma is a more useable length. AUS8 steel is no better than Buck's 420HC. Nope, I'm going with the Buck!

Joe
 
I admit that SOG handle and the guard look pretty nice! Still, for the cash, I'll have to take the Buck.

Joe
 
Why the Brahma?
1) from Buck's perspective: they know the 119 works and is popular. They have eaten the costs of developing it long ago. Any computerized operations have been developed to perfection. There is little cost to add a new handle option and coating. If they do this they can get current 119 fans to buy again, and maybe some Kabar purchasers to go for the Brahma versus the Kabar.

2) from the consumer's perspective: the 119 is an iconic knife. What's not to like about a dressed up version?
 
USPS just brought my new 117...gonna order the 119 in 2 minutes. The 117 is pretty close to perfect!
Here it is next to a 102:

 
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