Why did you choose an ESEE?

Cobalt said:
So posting an Hrc number for a steel shows the proper heat treat was done.....

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You know, the part of the Rockwell C hardness that involves little things like normalizing, annealing, hardening and tempering etc. :foot:
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Showing you the HRC shows you the HRC of their 1095 (showing you that the Heat treat is actually known and easy to find out). So now you say they don't know how to normalize, harden and temper. Oh but a Chinese popular name brand is done right by the same people in China like a tenacious. You're losing it, and losing the ability to display you actually know what you're posting.

Looking at the HRC number they report in conjunction with using several other brands of 1095 in the same HRC range and using this 1095 blade at the heat treat range shown. Yeah, I will tell you the heat treat is fine. You can't sit there and tell me otherwise. You may convince others you absolutely know through never using one or anything else in the past to compare performance to, but not me. I fully respect your opinion that you don't like the brand, you don't need a reason for that. You do need to prove a claim of lesser ability or quality though, that's all I'm saying. Just letting you know I chuckle every time you (and the others) try to side step topics by bringing up what I use, key word being use.

So get back to the question I asked please. What makes their 1095 at 57 HRC so special?
 
I really never chose one, when I bought it was RAT, they changed the name afterwords. I'm guessing same CS applies and the same quality those were why I bought RAT back then.
 
Boris74 said:
So get back to the question I asked please. What makes their 1095 at 57 HRC so special?
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Why would I deprive you of using the search function and google to learn? You have a lot of learning to do Gungadin.

But if the limited use of your knife convinces you that your knife is HT'd correctly based on the HRC chart, hey, it is your knife, cool with me.
 
Cobalt said:
Why would I deprive you of using the search function and google to learn? You have a lot of learning to do Gungadin.

But if the limited use of your knife convinces you that your knife is HT'd correctly based on the HRC chart, hey, it is your knife, cool with me.
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Here is the thing. I don't need to use google. I can draw on more than enough experience with 1095 at various heat treats to know how 57 HRC will react to what kind of use. Google can't replace that information for me. Maybe you need google to draw experience from, I don't. Last night I broke out my 24 year old Schrade deer dressing knife that's 1095. I don't know the heat treat but I do know it does about 1.5 deer before it needs a touch up. It needed some love so I re profiled it because the last few touch ups made the edge steep.

Yup, I agree compared to past knives I've used owned and still own its use is very limited. It however acts just like any 1095 I have right now has for much longer periods of time. It's not going to crumble up on me tomorrow, next week or next decade, I tend to keep and use my knives for a long time. No flavor of the week for me. If it breaks in 5 years I will let you know, or 20 years.

Im 100% positive the Esee at 57 HRC is a great performer in 1095. Unless they use inferior materials, and I highly doubt that, they should do as good as any other 1095 at the same or near same heat treat. Just because of the name stamped on the blade does not give the heat treat or materials super powers, and I don't need google to tell me that. I've learned it over a long period of time.
 
Boris is making the same old argument he has made before. He demands evidence from others and when he doesn't agree he declares it invalid. And yet he also offers no evedence for his own claim. All the while peppering his speech with little insults. This is getting old and I will not be playing this game.
 
craytab said:
Boris is making the same old argument he has made before. He demands evidence from others and when he doesn't agree he declares it invalid. And yet he also offers no evedence for his own claim. All the while peppering his speech with little insults. This is getting old and I will not be playing this game.
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Lol. Click on settings and reduce your sensitivity settings. No argument from me. I keep reading one specific brand that does 1095 at 57 HRC is superior to all other brands at the same heat treat. So I asked how they came to that conclusion. Everything was civil up to the point you showed up and told everyone I'm insulting them. I'm just saying any 1095 free of material defects at 57 HRC does just as good. Now hold on a second, I don't have any google links to back it up so to you it never happened. I am simply drawing on my own experiences. That right there is why I ask. If someone can accurately display their 1095 at 57 HRC is in fact superior I will just say thanks for the info. Do you have that information? I'd greatly appreciate it.
 
Cobalt said:
Actually there is plenty of proof on youtube of ESEE doing 10 times more than your schrade. The only proof schrade has is words from you which, frankly is no different than the empty calories you continually accuse everyone else on this forum of giving. Your calories are no different. Do you have anything substantial to offer except the hot air you continue to espouse? I can drop 5 video tests of ESEE here no problem, what can you do? Put up one picture of a knife that looks to have been mildly used?
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There is even ones showing Esee torture vs Ontario and the Ontario knives all break while the Esee's just keep on trucking. There is a lot more to heat treat then the final hardness(Rc) man.
 
I gotta ask because I have been wondering for a while; why do so many people on here call them Beckers? The knives are Kabar's no? Just designed by Ethan Becker no? I do not get it.
 
I'm going to start sending people invoices for babysitting unless this thread turns civil and stays that way.
 
Boris74 said:
Here is the thing. I don't need to use google. I can draw on more than enough experience with 1095 at various heat treats to know how 57 HRC will react to what kind of use. Google can't replace that information for me. Maybe you need google to draw experience from, I don't. Last night I broke out my 24 year old Schrade deer dressing knife that's 1095. I don't know the heat treat but I do know it does about 1.5 deer before it needs a touch up. It needed some love so I re profiled it because the last few touch ups made the edge steep.

Yup, I agree compared to past knives I've used owned and still own its use is very limited. It however acts just like any 1095 I have right now has for much longer periods of time. It's not going to crumble up on me tomorrow, next week or next decade, I tend to keep and use my knives for a long time. No flavor of the week for me. If it breaks in 5 years I will let you know, or 20 years.

Im 100% positive the Esee at 57 HRC is a great performer in 1095. Unless they use inferior materials, and I highly doubt that, they should do as good as any other 1095 at the same or near same heat treat. Just because of the name stamped on the blade does not give the heat treat or materials super powers, and I don't need google to tell me that. I've learned it over a long period of time.
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You should really stop arguing. You need to do a lot more reading/research before you go tooting your opinion as gospel. There is a lot to heat treating, it's not just about the hardness. And, there is more then one kind of 1095. Kabar uses 1095 CroVan for instance.
 
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Tachead01 said:
I gotta ask because I have been wondering for a while; why do so many people on here call them Beckers? The knives are Kabar's no? Just designed by Ethan Becker no? I do not get it.
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Well, I call them Beckers because years ago when I got mine, they were just Becker, not Ka-Bar or at least that is what I remember.
 
Cobalt said:
Well, I call them Beckers because years ago when I got mine, they were just Becker, not Ka-Bar or at least that is what I remember.
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Beckers were manufactured by the original Camillus company long before KaBar made them.
 
Tachead01 said:
I gotta ask because I have been wondering for a while; why do so many people on here call them Beckers? The knives are Kabar's no? Just designed by Ethan Becker no? I do not get it.
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If you look through our list of manufacturer forums, you will find both Ka-Bar and Becker. Ethan's designs, which he contracts with Ka-Bar to produce.

Why call any of them Ka-Bars? The parent company is CutCo.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
If you have a problem with the moderating, take it to Tech Support. It doesn't belong in a discussion forum.
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Sorry, I didn't know the protocol. Where do I find the tech support? Thank you sir.

I just find sometimes things get locked a little early when the discussion gets a bit heated. Debating can often get heated but, as long as it is civil with no name calling exc. I think it's nice to see where it goes. Some great revelations/changes of opinion can come from debate.

Thanks to the mods for their efforts as well. It's nice that things are kept civil around here.
 
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Esav Benyamin said:
If you look through our list of manufacturer forums, you will find both Ka-Bar and Becker. Ethan's designs, which he contracts with Ka-Bar to produce.

Why call any of them Ka-Bars? The parent company is CutCo.
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Because they are mid-techs/production runs by another company. I have a Kabar Hinderance but, I don't tell people I own a Hinderer. It is a Hinderer design yes, but no where near the quality of the real deal. Calling them there real names is the only way to make the distinction imo.

Yeah, it's common these days for companies to get bought out or be owned by larger parent companies but, if they keep their name and stamp it on the blade then that is the name imo. Things get too convoluted otherwise.
 
Tachead01 said:
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Sorry, I didn't know the protocol.

I just find sometimes things get locked a little early when the discussion gets a bit heated. Debating can often get heated but, as long as it is civil with no name calling exc. I think it's nice to see where it goes. Some great revelations/changes of opinion can come from debate.
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Me too. I googled Esee 1095 normalization, heat treat and temper and it came up with nothing. I was hoping someone would come along and tell me exactly what it is they do different instead of telling me to google it. Google has nothing. So my bet is someone who has worked in the factory might come along and describe the difference I keep getting told about. Until then, I will still draw on my prior experience.
 
Boris74 said:
Me too. I googled Esee 1095 normalization, heat treat and temper and it came up with nothing. I was hoping someone would come along and tell me exactly what it is they do different instead of telling me to google it. Google has nothing. So my bet is someone who has worked in the factory might come along and describe the difference I keep getting told about. Until then, I will still draw on my prior experience.
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ESEE is not a manufacturer. They contract that out to an independent outfit, who seems to keep their information private.
 
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