Why did you do me like that Colonial?

[Thomas Linton]

Im confused. The m724 or mc-1 has a nsn number right? Which means it should work for what it was designed for, right?

I dont know squat about military ordering.....so bear with my low level questions.......but doesnt that nsn number mean it was approved by some testing and/or oversight division in the military somewhere at sometime?

Where im going with this is most folks think...military approved = good stuff. Is that rarely true....or is there politics galore in how stuff gets approved....so its massively complicated and I should be happy not knowing? Appreciate the feedback. Thank you in advance.

Colonial said it so it must be so?

 

[leghog]

So what you guys are saying is, is that "We should have known"? that what. That they were SHIT right out of the box,...

Yes, that's what I'm saying. KNOW WHAT YOU ARE ORDERING before you order.

...and that we should have had to freakin order just one for a trial, and HOPE it was ok to buy more??? So what you're saying is, is that I should have just magically assumed Colonials MC-1 was garbage?

That which they are copies of were pretty much garbage. They certainly were neither designed not made for that which you intended them.

So what you're telling me is, is that I can't just see a product deemed squared away by the manufacturer, deemed fit for military use, and order it, and assume it's going to work? I can't do that?

Once deemed fit for their intended purpose. A purpose for which you did not order them.

I get a whole box of "emergency egress knives" ordered by the government for soldiers that may need these in serious situations, that don't work, but I don't have a leg to stand on as far as a complaint?

You got a whole box of COPIES of knives once intended for emergency use.

No. You're all wrong. I DO have a valid complaint. This company was touting that these knives are for military personnel, and for military service, and not a one of them worked, but it's my fault? I'm surrounded by idiots. 24/7. Every single day I run into idiots. Good job on the QA/QC colonial! Way to ensure your knives actually WORK before they leave the door. Love it....

No, you are wrong. You got exactly what you ordered.

 

[leghog]

One more thing-they were standard issue to paratroopers. Not only did we have them in our supply room, but my buddies from the 82nd and group both had them issued as well.

No, they were not standard issue to paratroops. Again, you had a unit that ordered them or fanagled them.

 

[leghog]

Im confused. The m724 or mc-1 has a nsn number right? Which means it should work for what it was designed for, right?

Many COTS items have NSNs. The Colonial copy likely does meet the purpose for which it was originally intended. That's why it (the copies) and the originals are/were so cheaply made. I'd certainly never order any as much better options are now available.

 

[leghog]

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[mtngunr]

For the record, I know the thread a bit old but such a trashing of product and company demands a reply when my experience so totally unlike original post. I just received an M724 orange and it is perfect...and I mean perfect...better grind on blades than most all my premium overpriced and highly regarded new classic slipjoints from the several makers. Function is perfect.....perfect....as a screw-together, it is possible to sock things down into a bind but locktite and a bit of playing with supplied allen wrench allows personalizing speed and control resistance. Again, the knife is PERFECT and the direct order was quite enjoyable from what is obviously a very small outfit not using anything close to modern tech office "must haves"...what a hoot....like buying a knife 20yrs ago....loved it.

I served as well, and would not hesitate to recommend as kit, and would not hesitate to buy another or order a box full. Current co-workers at my base are impressed and are ordering for own selves.

 

[mtngunr]

Not feeling like snapping a series of photos and uploading and etc just let me say the spine is constant thickness until clip begins and then it has a pronounced distal taper to point, not for prying but piercing and perfectly executed. From the side, it has a 100% spine to edge hollowgrind again perfectly done in a lined satin finish. Locking and stop surfaces which often are left ragged in many makes are perfect and square. Even the web/strap/rope/line/cord cutter is done as well on every surface, symmetrical and SHARP. Nothing needed to be done to any edge for the knife to be ready to use straight from box unless shaving was the plan. The (formerly) Dow Isoplast impact formula scales are extremely tough in every way whether shock, environment or chemical concern and I expect a good service life, a very good service life, before holes elongate from battering...and for a disposable bit of rescue kit, I think it will be a very long time before I dispose of it. The knife is quite light, comfy even in a breast pocket and nearly feels as light as a Bic lighter in any pocket, even in a hoody unzipped sweatshirt pocket it rides unknown and that has to be the worst load bearing pocket of all time. A friend has used one as his primary knife in a shipping/delivery job for over a year and reports his still tight. Sorry, but the original post is so far out from our experience with product and company that it is just plain strange, if not suspect. A guy regrinds a blade, sends it back for warranty work and has a foul mouthed hissy fit the blade was replaced or knife replaced when warranty work always involves hopefully taking product to new spec? And generally warns against no warranty at all if modified?....just strange....

 

[Thomas Linton]

Colonial sold B.S.A. some very nice Cub Scout knives a few years ago. Some nice makers in Italy. No reason they could not do the same for others if the price allowed.

Some former Airborne who saw the old Schrade and Camillus versions say they like the "Colonial" better.

The knife is designed so the primary blade - the schroud line cutter - is not fouled by the lanyard.

 

[cesample]

Sorry, but the original post is so far out from our experience with product and company that it is just plain strange, if not suspect.

Mtngunr, I have to go along with you on this. I have six new Colonial knives, all bought directly from Colonial.

They are:
Blackie Collins Model103 Swithblade
Blackie Collins Model 7001 Quick Flick Assisted Opening
Bushcraft Defiant Model CE 400
Military E2 Electrical Knife
Girl Scout Knife
Military Scout Knife 2205

I can find no fault with any of them. The switchblade and the quick flick work exactly as they should.

The Bushcraft is a beast of a knife. Among other things, I have used mine to chop down two trees, both over two inches in diameter. Here is a third party review of the Bushcraft.
https://stevehannerknives.wordpress.com/

The E2 electrical knife is an excellent knife and well worth the $25 cost. Here is a comparison review I did of it.
http://iknifecollector.com/forum/to...ison-review-of-colonial-military-e2-elecrical

The Girl Scout knife is a good knife too. But the 2205 is even beefier and sturdier the Girl Scout. The blades on the 2205 are thicker and it is heavier, 3.5 oz vs 3.0 oz. I believe the 2205 would stand up to rugged service quite well. I don't know if it would have served the OP's purposes but I don't believe he could have gotten a better knife for $25.

And I would like to say one more thing about Colonial. I have dealt personally with Steve Paolantonio, president of Colonial. I have found him to be a gentleman and quite personable in all our contacts.

 

[wolfmann601]

This is an old thread.

Welcome to BFC (although you joined in 2014), start dates of threads tend to carry some importance................................

 

[s.e.charles]

i don't question that (wolfmann601) but often folks rank down by saying "use the 'search' function' " - so here i am!

has anyone an alternate resource for this type of knife? military issue general purpose pocket knife

i don't expect museum quality, just an alternative to a SAK.

thanks