Why do folders still use linerlocks and framelocks?

hardheart said:
I think it needs to be stronger to justify the weight. I'm not sure why you call it misinformation when it is actually documented by knifemakers
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Look,We all know you don't like frame locks. But I'd love to see your frame locks failing in your hands instead of second or third hand posts.

I understand you have been on this board a decade before me. But everything you post on this topic has no first hand proof.

Care to share any first hand real world usage failures ?

Have you even used a higher end frame lock? There is nothing I wouldn't do with my Fallkniven F1 that I wouldn't do with my ZT's. And I am willing to post pics to back that up.



In my past life I have had plenty of company engineers tell me I can't run something off my machine, or hand me incomplete customer specs and say "make it work".

So I don't say nothing works until it has been through my hands. How about you?
 
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For you guys flaming hardheart......I don't think he is saying a frame/liner lock is no good/too weak/crap. I think he is saying a tri-ad/axis/compression is stronger than the liner/frame, which most would agree is true. Yes the frame/liner (I have a bunch of them) is strong enough for knives, but the axis/tri-ad/compression is stronger in pure strength. Not necessarily better, but stronger.
 
jvarn81 said:
For you guys flaming hardheart......I don't think he is saying a frame/liner lock is no good/too weak/crap. I think he is saying a tri-ad/axis/compression is stronger than the liner/frame, which most would agree is true. Yes the frame/liner (I have a bunch of them) is strong enough for knives, but the axis/tri-ad/compression is stronger in pure strength. Not necessarily better, but stronger.
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That is BS and you know it. Every time this topic comes up he throws his 2 cents in, always second or third hand reports, NEVER first hand. I really don't care that he is a Gold member with 8,750 posts or so.

I'll match anything he can do with his tri-ad/axis/compression lock with my weak, lowly Ti frame locks. (either ZT0550 or ZT0301 not even high end CRK,Hinderers..etc...)
 
dayhiker1968 said:
That is BS and you know it. Every time this topic comes up he throws his 2 cents in, always second or third hand reports, NEVER first hand. I really don't care that he is a Gold member with 8,750 posts or so.

I'll match anything he can do with his tri-ad/axis/compression lock with my weak, lowly Ti frame locks. (either ZT0550 or ZT0301 not even high end CRK,Hinderers..etc...)
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No, that is BS.

Demko has a youtube video showing his AD10 holding over 800LBs. NO.....NO framelock will do that. Period.
 
Ohh ,so hardheart has put 800lbs on his AD10? Then I'll try it.

That is what I said. I'll try to match anything that blowhard has run his mouth off on.
 
That's fine if you need to hang weight on your folding knife. In actual use, it means very little
 
The true goodness of the Tri-Ad is the durability and reliability under extended use and shock, not just the brute strength. I do think a frame-lock with a heavy-duty super LAWKS type of mech could match it but even then it would probably be a big 9-12oz. framelock vs a 3-4oz. Tri-Ad folder.
 
I haven't had any folder fail on me yet because I don't buy junk gas station type knives. I haven't found a need for super lock strength in edc tasks yet. Liner and frame locks work fine and like others mentioned there are no royalties involved. I can't think of any edc cutting tasks that put 800lbs on the knife's lock.....
 
Can't we all just get along...like these three best friends.
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I have a knife with a faulty frame lock, and I still use it. I made it lock halfway decently kind of by adding a little glue to the lock face, and now it works just fine.

If you have had a lock fail on you, I will say it was 90% likely that it was from something stupid. Some locks have legitimately failed, but when you cut properly there should not be pressure on the spine. If you want a knife that will likely never fail, buy a fixed blade. If you want to add a slight failure chance for the benefit of portability, get a folder.

This debate is quite idiotic. If the lock was terrible and unsafe, it would have been phased out a long time ago. You can like and dislike a lock all you want, but don't call a lock worthless because you can't use it properly.
 
I have an 810, M390 Para 2, and a large G10 Espada. We can do weight hangs with whatever frame locks you pick. I wish I still had my Chinook 3, I might even track one down for this.

I haven't had permanent deformations of any of my frame and liner locks. The few that have caused problems failed things like light spine taps (cleaning mud off the bottom of my boots) or minor prying cuts, things like levering through roofing shingles or rope. The locks failed pretty consistently unless I repaired them by regrinding the tang and/or lockbar face. The only other locks that caused me these issues were cheap lockbacks. In any case, they were very rare problems and I'd say a literal 97-99% of my folders have been fine.

But we'll break knives, this will be fun. I should be able to put a video up in about a week. That way you will have the starting weight and you don't have to reach a failure point before I do. Then you can match or exceed the weight on video until a knife breaks. Just let me know what knives you intend to use so I can try to get a good length from the pivot on mine so we aren't running the same weight but different torque to the pivot.
 
If you don't mind my Zt 0550. (my baby)

You have something comparable? Or would you prefer I pick something else up?

(I don't do liner locks either)

But we'll break knives, this will be fun.
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Agreed :D:thumbup:
 
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