Why do people 'de-assist' assisted opening knives?

If all your friend in Texas can carry is a small SAK, then it must be a workplace related limitation. Knife Rights got pre-emption passed last session, so all city/county generic limits and bans were permanently overridden.

In Texas, the only question is ...

"Is the knife in question legal to carry in public or illegal to carry in public?"

To be legal for public carry, there are only 2 criteria ::

-the blade must be less than 5.5 inches long from the front of the bolster/guard/where the guard would be if the knife had a guard to the tip, straight line distance.

- the blade must be single edged.

That's it. No open vs concealed issues. Folders, fixed, switches, balis, assisted, all good.

It's hoped that Knife Rights will get the "illegal knife" laws removed next session. They almost got it done last session, but last minute political shenanigans got in the way.

Anyone who lives in Texas (or anywhere else in the US) should join KR. It helps when the KR lobbyist is schmooozing a congressman if the "X" in "We have "X" members in Texas supporting us and this legislation."

Thanks for the information. I'll pass it along to my friend. Like most younger people, he gets his news on his smart phone. I'm older. I still get the newspaper, and watch news on TV. I'm sure he doesn't know about the change in the laws.

What does KR stand for, and how does he 'join'?
 
The OP's friend in Texas may live in one of the bigger urban areas, some of which I understand do have some additional restrictions. But I'm pretty sure even liberal havens like Austin wouldn't limit knives to an SAK only.

My LegalBlade© app doesn't show any Texas cities with additional restrictions, but it is not guaranteed to be comprehensive.
 
The OP's friend in Texas may live in one of the bigger urban areas, some of which I understand do have some additional restrictions. But I'm pretty sure even liberal havens like Austin wouldn't limit knives to an SAK only.

My LegalBlade© app doesn't show any Texas cities with additional restrictions, but it is not guaranteed to be comprehensive.

Corpus and San Antonio were the only other two cities to have additional knife laws. But Texas put in place a preemption law so cities can not have laws more strict than the state.
 
Have several assisted knives and never thought about whether I preferred the AO or not.
Ive kept them all as is.... except my new ZT0566.
I de-assisted that when I put the custom scale on. On this knife, I like it better without the bar.
 
Thanks for the information. I'll pass it along to my friend. Like most younger people, he gets his news on his smart phone. I'm older. I still get the newspaper, and watch news on TV. I'm sure he doesn't know about the change in the laws.

What does KR stand for, and how does he 'join'?

KR = Knife Rights, the knife version of the NRA. Www.kniferights.org
 
The only assisted knives I have are Benchmades. They are made very well and have never opened unless I wanted them to. With about 10 minutes of practice they are simple to close one handed......simple.
I would NOT buy a cheap assisted knife and trust it in my pocket.
Joe
 
Just picked up a Benchmade 477-1 emissary. I found I like it much better de assisted as its easier to close. The pivot system on that knife is one of the most complex I've ever seen. Its an engineering marvel.
 
The only assisted knives I have are Benchmades. They are made very well and have never opened unless I wanted them to. With about 10 minutes of practice they are simple to close one handed......simple.
I would NOT buy a cheap assisted knife and trust it in my pocket.
Joe

I just bought a very nice used ZT 0301, on the Exchange, which is the largest AO knife that ZT made, AFAIK. 3 3/4" blade with the tiger stripes on the blade, green textured G-10, and textured titanium on the other side.

I decided just 2 days ago that the ZT 0301 was the knife I just had to have. It's discontinued. Of course. You can still find them new, but they are very expensive. And a very nice used one turned up on the Exchange, posted just a few hours before I looked. Very lucky for me, and for the seller. Mostly for me, I think, as he put a very fair price on it. It would have sold quickly, to someone else, I'm sure.

A Zero Tolerance AO knife will never get a chance to open in my pocket. I carry my GOOD knives in a sheath on my belt.
 
I have a Benchmade Volli that was de-assisted. It's smooth enough that it doesn't need to be. I looked into re-assisting and read that people had issues with unintentional pocket deployment. I would assume it a rare thing though. That said I also have a couple Kershaw Speedster knives, a Tac-Force Stiletto, and a Tiger Manufacturing copy of the Tac-Force all spring assisted and none have opened unintentionally even once. I would have expected issues from those 2 cheapo but haven't yet :)
 
I'll get it next week. I've never taken a decent pic of a knife or a gun in my life. I only have a point and shoot camera. Things are always out of focus. I wish I could focus the camera manually.

And I don't know how to post photos here, yet.
 
Just picked up a Benchmade 477-1 emissary. I found I like it much better de assisted as its easier to close. The pivot system on that knife is one of the most complex I've ever seen. Its an engineering marvel.

I've never been in a big hurry to put a knife away. But I've been in a hurry to get it open. Just sayin'.
 
It depends on which version of the 0770. The aluminum one de-assists fine from what I've heard. The CF didn't. I the the flexibility of the CF scales messed with the smoothness of the pivot. I re-assisted it and sold it. I hope in the future there will be a manual version, as otherwise it's a great design.

One of the reasons I don't like assisted opening is its not sheeple friendly. I used to work in an office environment and some people would freak when I opened a knife quickly, so I always opened two handed when opening packages, etc.

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Worked great for me and I love it! Lucky I guess
 
Many reasons why people de-assist, or avoid assists altogether.

With good design and engineering, a folder, even a flipper, doesn't need an assist to open reliably. An assist is often used to compensate for poor design.

Assists add complexity to the design, and, especially in the case of the Speedsafe, a weak point. This is not speculation, they do fail reliably.

Many people, myself included, find the "resisted closing" feature to make the knife less safe to use.

Anecdote: I asked to see a Kershaw flipper at the Big5. I don't remember which model, Blitzshock maybe. It was drastically discounted, and I liked the overall shape.
I inspected it, found the centering was way off, and asked to see another. The man handed me another in box, I handed him back the closed knife I had inspected.
He wanted to check it out, opened it up, and upon attempting to close it...
Sliced the hell out of the middle of his left palm. Badly, lots of blood.
Somewhat freaked out, I just grabbed the unopened box and purchased it, while his colleagues attempted to stanch the wound.
I should have just left, as I ended up hating everything about that knife.
This model had no detent, so would not de-assist. Reassisted it, left it alone, never carried it.
Pulled it out one day, the torsion bar had failed. Yes, even by not using the knife, it can fail, because the bar is under tension when the knife is closed.
Some suggest you store your assisted knives in the open position. No thanks.
I kept it around to remind myself why I don't buy Speedsafes, until I cannibalized it for the washers and tossed it.

So it's basically a no-go for me, as it doesn't confer any advantages that can't be achieved otherwise.
Which is too bad, as my aversion to assists basically disqualifies every knife Kershaw has made for the past several tears.
I really like the looks of the Link, but I don't know if it will function de-assisted, so I haven't bought one.
Now if they re-released the Chill, on bearings, in Sandvik, with a wider choil, Kershaw would be back in my good graces.

*One "assist" I did like was the In-draft system on the HK Enigma, now discontinued.
Also seen on the Benchmade Ambush, In-draft is a feature only apparently used in conjunction with the uncommon Rolling lock.
It was actually more of a closed-bias mechanism, but did provide a gentle push when opening the knife.
Enigma was one of my favorite folders, until the In-draft broke. Could not be repaired or replaced, sadly.
 
I have a particular dislike for assist (or auto for that matter) on Benchmade AXIS locks. The blade on the AXIS by itself already swings open and closed freely when you depress the lock, so the assist only hinders one handed closing while not even making it quicker to open. It makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever.

I have a couple of Barrages that I bought from the custom design site just because I liked what I can do with the design of the knife, but I have yet to de-assist them. I wish they offered unassisted as an option.
 
I have a couple of assisted knives. I like them for what they are and I don't want to mess with them to remove the assist, but overall I think an assist is a gimmick. The way I carry and use a knife, a blade with a good hole like a Spyderco PM2 is more reliable for opening than any of my assisted knives. The reason is that my thumb can reliably find the hole fairly quickly and open the knife, but with an assisted knife I have to find the thumb stud or flipper, get my thumb or finger on it just right, then deploy it. This takes time and removes the benefit from the assist, plus sometimes I slip off of the opener and have to try again. This never happens with a good thumb hole. The only exception to the thumb stud problem was the Kershaw Blur which had such a big and sharp thumb stud that my thumb never missed it.
 
Has anyone de assisted a Kershaw Leek?
I vaguely remember reading the Leek did not operate right, something about the blade not staying secure when closed
Anybody know?
Thanks
 
I have never deassisted the Kershaw leek… Part of the reason I tried the ZT0770 Cf or any ZT for that matter is because of the weight dispersion to the tip. The leek is a fairly slender blade profile but not much weight in the blade and not good for flipping action and therefore needing the assist. IMO
 
This past month I bought my first AO folder. Truth is, most useful advantage was the fun and joy of flicking open at Christmas events and meetings. Some eyes raised, curiosity generated, but nothing practical in the end

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