Why Do People Fear Folding Knives?

[PV29]

Your arguments would be much more worthwhile if you could weed out the "It's because of the Liberals" ideology, and trust the strength of your own argument, instead of just relying on talk radio dogma.

Like a lot of people here who make great points, but then start ranting and raving about some conspiracy in the Liberal media between Liberal shadow-agents and the Liberal army coming to take away your freedom.

It would be really nice if we could stay on-topic, instead of veering off into weird political conspiracy theories.

The truth is not always so convenient. My comments were not meant to disparage one political party or another.Quite frankly, they both suck in their own, unique ways. My comment regarding "liberal" was directed towards a thought process unique to such folks. However, if you will read carefully, I used the word "politician" in a generic sense with no party affiliation attached. Perhaps you're a bit sensitive when reading an argument that criticizes something that is "liberal", even though no liberal politician has been taken to task?

However, the truth of the matter is that liberals have been the proponents of most, if not all, of the the object-hating legislation in this country. From ridiculous gun bans here in the U.S. to the present knife hysteria we see in places like the UK and NYC (and that bum is labeled a "republican", but he's really a nanny state liberal). They have also been the strongest proponents of this "root cause" mentality and the coddling of violent criminals. Lastly, I can probably count on one hand the number of non-liberal thinking employees working for the ACLU.

There is no conspiracy theory in my argument, nor do I advocate barring our windows and doors in preparation for the invasion of the "Liberal shadow-agents and the Liberal army". I simply made an argument based upon observations collected over many years. You are more than welcome to debate the point by showing where conservatives have engaged in the same object-hating legislative policy or thought process. If you can.

 

[PV29]

Just so we´re clear on this, the ideology you describe is NOT liberal in the true sense of the word.

Liberalism refers to a broad array of related ideas and theories of government that consider individual liberty to be the most important political goal. Classical liberals, believe that the only real freedom is freedom from coercion. As a result they see state intervention in the economy as a coercive power that restricts the economic freedom of individuals and favor laissez-faire economic policy. (Wiki)

I would agree. Which is why the word "liberal" has been transformed over time to mean something more closely resembling Marxism, ie., a heavy progressive or graduated income tax, abolition of all rights of inheritance (see, estate tax), centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly (see, Obama's plan for a federal bank), and extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state (see, increases in corporate regulations being discussed now, mortgage banking, oil companies).

 

[Benjamin Liu]

While true Liberals, those who support individual liberty over collectivism and government supremacy, are not to blame, the socialists who call themselves "liberals" ARE to blame. These socialists who lie about what they are and call themselves "liberals" are not exactly fans of Ludwig Von Mises.

Sure, some "Republicans" are anti-knife, but those "Republicans" also support socialism and government supremacy.

 

[texastonydobbs]

I have never ran across this problem at my job...I carry RC3 and or LM wave,Spyderco native/SAK hiker/ Blade tech but mainly a FB is my go to blade... I cant believe that some people are like that,at least you did not pull out a folding Razor knives people carry now,she may of had a heart attack !

 

[Rafael]

While true Liberals, those who support individual liberty over collectivism and government supremacy, are not to blame, the socialists who call themselves "liberals" ARE to blame. These socialists who lie about what they are and call themselves "liberals" are not exactly fans of Ludwig Von Mises.

Sure, some "Republicans" are anti-knife, but those "Republicans" also support socialism and government supremacy.

A business owner and has a no-knife policy in his own company is a socialist even if he votes for the Republicans? If that is your definition of socialism than it is no wonder that according to you all socialists must be anti knife…

Arguments like this really don’t help to create more understanding about carrying knives. My personal policy: I try to explain and educate other people about knifes and those who carry and collect them. I'm also a great believer in personal freedom.

For the record: I’m a liberal who often calls himself a socialist and I’m also a proud knife owner.

Rafael

 

[Benjamin Liu]

Many Republicans are socialists. They believe in government supremacy over the individual. They believe in high taxes and higher spending. Many business owners vote for Democrats and Republicans, some are conservative, some are socialists. The super-capitalists in the early 20th Century financed the Communist revolution and later the Soviet Union. Many capitalists believe in capitalism for themselves and socialism for the masses. In modern America, large businesses (capitalists) were able to get local governments to seize people's land (socialism) in order for the government to sell it to the businesses so the business can profit (capitalism.) Capitalism is necessary for free enterprise but free enterprise is only one form of capitalism.

 

[The Moose]

One thing to say, i <3 knives. End of story

 

[THG]

While true Liberals, those who support individual liberty over collectivism and government supremacy, are not to blame, the socialists who call themselves "liberals" ARE to blame. These socialists who lie about what they are and call themselves "liberals" are not exactly fans of Ludwig Von Mises.

Sure, some "Republicans" are anti-knife, but those "Republicans" also support socialism and government supremacy.

Stop right there! Remember, liberals + democrats and conservatives + republicans do NOT always go hand-in-hand. In fact, in many ways, democans = republicrats :barf: Let's not confuse them

 

[gitarmac]

Blissninnies. People fear knives because of blissninnies. As much as I hate to say it, most of them are women. As a women working in a women based field (medical) I can bore you with all kinds of emotion based illogical policies, statements, and ideas that I run up against every day but I won't.

I will however mention my watching my coworkers tear at boxes with scizzors or hands, eat with plastic knives like children, and basically do everything imaginable except use a tool. We have those razor box cutters in the store room for opening boxes but I find them less convienient and much more unsafe than my dodo. I got a blue one so as not to frighten said blissninnies and so far my plan has worked. I have a couple of backup crickets for the inevidable banning of the dodo, because even though the blades are a similar size, the dodo has a larger hand and "looks" bigger. The crickets don't stand up to the hard box cutting I use the dodo for though. I thought of getting a serrated native but I realized I am just fabricating an excuse for a new knife.

We have access to scalpels, needles, and deadly bacteria (I work in microbiology and we have stock supplies of salmonella, listeria, MRSA, lots of things) but we eat with plastic knives so as not to offend the senibilities of the blissninnies. I hava a pacific salt as my lunch knife, I refuse to cut my food like a two year old, but I have ordered a salt 1 to be on the safe side.


Many of these little girls consider themselves to be conservative republicans so you can't really blame the political party. It has more to do with the unthinking mindlessness of new world thinking.

 

[Benjamin Liu]

Many of these little girls consider themselves to be conservative republicans so you can't really blame the political party. It has more to do with the unthinking mindlessness of new world thinking.

There is a big difference between them considering themselves to be conservative and them actually being conservative. If they support big government and want the government to ban knives and/or guns, they simply are not conservative.

A political party is not the same thing as a political ideology. The socialist/collectivist/government supremacist ideology has infected both parties, the Republican Party being seriously infected and the Democratic Party being terminally infected.

 

[crustaceanmick]

If you go into the deepest, darkest areas of the Amazon Rainforest, and walk into a settlement of half naked aboriginals while carrying a knife in your hand, they're gonna fear you. Sure, some of the fear will be because you're a stranger, but the knife will definitely add a degree of "survival" panic.

"It's about the blood . . . It's ALWAYS about the blood." (BTVS.)


PS. I'm starting to get the impression that a lot of folks in here actually believe they know "what's goin on"(Marvin?) with the true nature of the Universe!

As always, your humble fool, CM.

 

[crustaceanmick]

Yes, I agree with you. A lot of liberals do tend to focus their intolerance on inanimate OBJECTS. And that is STUPID!

On the other side of the coin though is the conservatives who feel compelled to legislate THEIR values, which are mostly determined by the "market",(all hail the mighty dollar, for it is the most powerful WEAPON in America!) and THEIR morals which are for the most part based on THEIR religion. (often, IMHO, a rather twisted interpretation of their religion)

In other words, a lot of conservatives tend to focus their intolerance on PEOPLE and thought process.
Blacks, Latinos, Gays, Lesbians, Poor People, Arabs, Africans, Asians, Euros. . . . Basically anybody who's not from here, does not have very much money, and/or is not (in their eyes) a TRUE christian. . . And that is INTOLERABLE!!!

PS. These are just observations made over many years of traveling extensively, and working and living in many different areas of the US. Tell me I'm wrong. . . . If you can.

PPS. To be clear: I don't find christianity to be any more, or any less, intolerant than most other religions.
From what I've seen, spirituality tends to unite people, whereas religion tends to divide them.

 

[Confederate]

The scary thing is, there are members of our Supreme Court who believe our Constitution should be subject to international laws, and unless these justices are stopped by Congress, we could end up in a society like the Brits. A hundred years ago, a man with a pocket knife was viewed as common.

This could get me hung, but do larger numbers of women in the workforce have anything to do with this squeamish attitude towards things with sharp edges? We've got Norman Bates, Freddie, Jason, the Hitcher, Jeepers Creeper and many others, all going around with blades slicing and dicing women and their boyfriends on the silver screen. In a way, isn't it kind of understandable why women would go "Uuuugh!" when they see a blade? Hasn't Hollywood conditioned women to act like that? I mean, I've never, ever, had any man gasp when seeing a knife.

How much of this is a girl thing, or is it?

Knife!


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[crustaceanmick]

I tend to agree with you Confederate. (your posts are well thought out)

Unfortunately though, some of the crazies ARE men. (some are COPS!)

PS. Strong google-fu on the photo! :thumbup:
PPS. I don't remember Jeepers Creepers ever using a knife? . . . But come to think of it, he did have that really cool
ninja monster throwing star made of bone . . . or was it teeth?

 

[crustaceanmick]

What are they if they think that government (just localized, so far) should mandate the ownership of guns? Or ban (on a Federal level) flag burning? Or gay marriage?

 

[Benjamin Liu]

There is no provision in the Constitution to regulate the RKBA. Gun control is for big-government types. So-called "conservatives" who support gun control are not really conservative.

Gays existed at the time of the founding of the Consitituion and so did marriage, so if the Founding Fathers wanted it they would have had it. No state had gay marriage at the time. This is a contemporary idea.

Then there is the issue of whether the government even has the right to issue marriage licenses, or whether it is moral to have a 3-way marriage between a man, woman, and the government, but this is going way off-topic into issues most people don't even know exist.

Flag buring depends on who owns the flag. A true conservative might be seriously offended by some punk buring a flag improperly. Buring a flag is the only proper way to dispose of an old flag, you don't throw them away. When I was in Boy Scouts they burnt a flag.

However, if the flag is someone's private property, it is his to do as he wishes. It is not the government's role to make laws against flag-burning, assuming that it is done safely and not endangering people or property. In short, those who burn flags in order to desecrate them are jerks, but they have the right to be jerks.

 

[Bumppo]

I think Confederate has solved the "Office Sheeple Conundrum". Sheath knives forged to look like one half of a pair of scissors. Need an Office WSK? Use one half of a pair of pinking shears. Convex edge the outer side, and the pinking side could be used for cutting notches in the corporate ladder.

 

[THG]

There is no provision in the Constitution to regulate the RKBA. Gun control is for big-government types. So-called "conservatives" who support gun control are not really conservative.

Which conservatives (read: not republicans) support gun control? Didn't Bush's appointed judges just rule a ban on guns in D.C. unconstitutional? I don't consider the bush administration "conservative" by any means anyway, but...

Gays existed at the time of the founding of the Consitituion and so did marriage, so if the Founding Fathers wanted it they would have had it. No state had gay marriage at the time. This is a contemporary idea.

While I agree that the Framers would turn in their graves if they heard of their battle devolving into this travesty today, I don't think the Constitution mentions gay marriage. Therefore, it's up to the federal government to amend, or the states to decide. Is this correct?

 

[Benjamin Liu]

Which conservatives (read: not republicans) support gun control? Didn't Bush's appointed judges just rule a ban on guns in D.C. unconstitutional? I don't consider the bush administration "conservative" by any means anyway, but...

The "conservatives" who support gun control are not true conservatives. Some examples are George Bush I, George Bush II, William F Buckley, George F Will, William Bennett, John McCain, and Rudolph Giuliani.

Even the Supreme Court ruling does not support the RKBA. It can still be interpreted as "The people have the RKBA but the government can still make whatever gun control laws they want."



"While I agree that the Framers would turn in their graves if they heard of their battle devolving into this travesty today, I don't think the Constitution mentions gay marriage. Therefore, it's up to the federal government to amend, or the states to decide. Is this correct?"


Applying the issue in the historical context will show that it did not exist in the time of the Founding Fathers. Since marriage and gay both existed, if it was their intend they would have had it, probably not in the Consitution since marriage isn't a federal matter, but at state level.

 

[gitarmac]

If you go into the deepest, darkest areas of the Amazon Rainforest, and walk into a settlement of half naked aboriginals while carrying a knife in your hand, they're gonna fear you. Sure, some of the fear will be because you're a stranger, but the knife will definitely add a degree of "survival" panic.

"It's about the blood . . . It's ALWAYS about the blood." (BTVS.)


PS. I'm starting to get the impression that a lot of folks in here actually believe they know "what's goin on"(Marvin?) with the true nature of the Universe!

As always, your humble fool, CM.

I kind of doubt that, for one thing the aborigonies live in austrailia, but details aside, I think if all you have with you is a knife you are at a disadvantage as a stranger in a strange land. You would be scared, the natives would sense this, they would either impale you immedialty with whatever weapon they use to hunt larger and more dangerous game, or play with you, taunting you until you get tired, then impale you.