Why does everyone in the Exchange, only ship CONUS?

[jill jackson]

Rather narrow minded, I buy most of my knives abroad with the majority coming from the States, it has absolutely nothing to do with cost or getting something cheaper - after postage it would work out more expensive than buying local if they were available in my country.

I buy from the USA because the knives are simply not available outside of the States or in New Zealand. Hinderer and Busse for example.

And I'm a knife fan just like you so why should I not try to buy them? are you suggesting people outside the states should stick to only local distribution?

I buy my Beckers, Esee, Fallkniven and Spyderco (expect sprint) local, CRK, Hinderer and Busse from very helpful and decent forum members who are not so lazy or closed off to a great deal of other knife and blade fans - this is a community and the CONUS only thing just seems to close off a great many forum members.

I have NEVER had an issue with shipping or customs and one easy way which everyone seems to already use is PayPal gift which appears to be the default method and solves any liability to the seller.

The only issues I have had are from a few dishonest US sellers on this forum.

Paypal gift for sold merchandise is just more dishonesty. I've never shipped a knife to anyone outside of the USA that they didn't insist I lie about what's in the package (camping tool) and undervalue it by 70%. So, narrow minded or not I just don't do it anymore.

 

[1whobuys]

Shipping to Canada sucks, it's easier to ship to a 3rd world country.
Also, a couple of times I have shipped and it came back to cost me $10 to $15 extra to go to Canada, when I contacted the seller they just said "to bad for you" so as far as I'm concerned your country mates screwed all of you. It's not worth the hassle.

 

[Jaytaylor]

Paypal gift for sold merchandise is just more dishonesty. I've never shipped a knife to anyone outside of the USA that they didn't insist I lie about what's in the package (camping tool) and undervalue it by 70%. So, narrow minded or not I just don't do it anymore.

Therefore 99% of the sales forum is dishonest, clearly not a place for someone of your integrity.

 

[Sulaco]

try to imagine the worst possible nightmare scenario in the world.

that nightmare scanrio has nightmares about shipping outside the US.

I actually laughed out loud at this and spit tuna fish salad on my keyboard thank you very much. :thumbup:

Therefore 99% of the sales forum is dishonest, clearly not a place for someone of your integrity.

You don't know how right you are...

 

[Kru03]

Shipping to Canada sucks, it's easier to ship to a 3rd world country.
Also, a couple of times I have shipped and it came back to cost me $10 to $15 extra to go to Canada, when I contacted the seller they just said "to bad for you" so as far as I'm concerned your country mates screwed all of you. It's not worth the hassle.

I agree with this. I've had nothing but bad luck with Canada sales. I just won't do it anymore. I'd rather make a few bucks less and avoid the hassle.

 

[jill jackson]

Therefore 99% of the sales forum is dishonest, clearly not a place for someone of your integrity.

You rip paypal off by saying sold items are a "gift" you are dishonest. Not my problem and no I won't accept paypal gift for something I've sold. A thief is a thief, who they are stealing from isn't what makes them one.

 

[jill jackson]

Therefore 99% of the sales forum is dishonest, clearly not a place for someone of your integrity.

Funny I have 45 positive transactions here and I've never asked anyone to, pay my paypal fees, paid any one's paypal fees, accepted a gift for sold merchandise, nor have I asked anyone I've bought from to take a paypal gift. So, seems the exchange just might be for me after all despite what you may think I can function here very well, within my own honesty boundaries.

 

[Will Power]

Camping tool in NOT a dishonest description. It is what a knife is used for, amongst other things.

OK fair enough if somebody doesn't want to post stuff outside the USA or can't cope with the paperwork.... that's their right.

I've always had very fair treatment and experiences of buying knives from the USA or elsewhere. My country prohibits the import of flick/auto knives nothing else, just check local laws. All this talk about nightmares and the like is sheer hyperbole. Free trade between individuals of nations is very good, it's corporations/monopolies and govts who benefit when people can't or won't trade with each other.

 

[jill jackson]

There's dealers that will send knives to some places overseas. Buy from them, or the private individuals that don't mind too. Of course the dealers won't lie about anything, or accept paypal gifts.

 

[Robert Carter]

Ill ship any where you may be. Cost of shipping may be a little extra but its no biggie for me. Fed ex is the most reliable so far when shipping outside the con us. So far for me any way, no hiccups yet.

 

[Jaytaylor]

You rip paypal off by saying sold items are a "gift" you are dishonest. Not my problem and no I won't accept paypal gift for something I've sold. A thief is a thief, who they are stealing from isn't what makes them one.

Nice, calling the majority of sellers on the forum thief's eh.

Ahem, I am not a thief or dishonest, the PayPal gift thing is added by the vast majority of the sellers on this forum, I am a buyer meeting the sellers requests.

How are PayPal being ripped off exactly??? Using gift simply transfers the PP fees to the buyer. PP win every time. You really should educate yourself.

No one is stealing at all, like I said, you are narrow minded and uninformed

 

[Jaytaylor]

There's dealers that will send knives to some places overseas. Buy from them, or the private individuals that don't mind too. Of course the dealers won't lie about anything, or accept paypal gifts.

Is that so?

Well I have purchased from dealers and paid via PP as a goods purchase and not requested any description or value reduction on the customs declaration whatsoever yet parcels still arrive under valued and only "tool" on the paper work.

 

[jill jackson]

All I've ever heard is how paypal loses all fees if the gift option is used. If that's not so, then I'm sorry.

 

[jill jackson]

Is that so?

Well I have purchased from dealers and paid via PP as a goods purchase and not requested any description or value reduction on the customs declaration whatsoever yet parcels still arrive under valued and only "tool" on the paper work.

Most dealers won't.

 

[12345678910]

There have been a few people stating that they make it known that once the knife leaves the country it is the buyer's responsibility. Unfortunately, Paypal does not honour this sort of arrangement(regardless of whether it is in writing or not). Nor, do they accept anything other than a signature as proof of delivery. Paypal works just fine if the seller takes the time to read and honour the policy as outlined by the company.

As for the CONUS discussion... most problems that occur in customs are from neglegence, either on the part of the seller or buyer. Cross your t's, dot your i's and you should have no problems shipping anywhere in North America... or anywhere else, for that matter. I sell a lot to Japan, France and the UK. The only countries I have had problems with is Australia and Germany. After taking hits on both occasions, I stepped up my game on overseas shipments with regard to legality and insurance. There is a cost to secure shipping and I have found that most international buyers aren't afraid to pay a little more for it.

All of my sale threads state that shipping to anywhere in North America is included in the selling price. Anything else may cost extra.

What do you do differently?
Registered mail?

 

[ohen cepel]

I sold a $40 Cold Steel on sle-bay to a guy in Australia, shipping cost him $16 which he was good with. About 2mns after I shipped it I got it back, customs there didn't like it. I offered to refund his payment. However, he wanted me to ship it again after I made it not snap open, so, another trip to the PO and another $16 of his down the drain. It's been at least a month now, haven't heard if he got it yet or not.

I'm not out anything but a bit of extra hassle but I don't think I will ship overseas again. Just not worth it to me in most cases.

 

[12345678910]

Nice, calling the majority of sellers on the forum thief's eh.

Ahem, I am not a thief or dishonest, the PayPal gift thing is added by the vast majority of the sellers on this forum, I am a buyer meeting the sellers requests.

How are PayPal being ripped off exactly??? Using gift simply transfers the PP fees to the buyer. PP win every time. You really should educate yourself.

No one is stealing at all, like I said, you are narrow minded and uninformed

If you read the forum rules you would see that using the gift option is not allowed because it negates the refund resolution process

 

[Rick Marchand]

Nice, calling the majority of sellers on the forum thief's eh.

Ahem, I am not a thief or dishonest, the PayPal gift thing is added by the vast majority of the sellers on this forum, I am a buyer meeting the sellers requests.

How are PayPal being ripped off exactly??? Using gift simply transfers the PP fees to the buyer. PP win every time. You really should educate yourself.

No one is stealing at all, like I said, you are narrow minded and uninformed

Using the "Gift" option for a sales IS dishonouring the terms of use as outline by Paypal. If they catch on, your account will be suspended and if you do not make ammends, there may be legal action taken against you. The same goes for openly passing on the fees to your customer. Tacking on a Paypal fee on the open forums is not a good idea... you are advertizing your neglegence to adhere to the user agreement. It is a huge risk if you do a lot of "business" on Paypal.

Whether you like it or not, gifting sold goods on Paypal IS STEALING. It may seem silly to folks, but that is only because you have a disconnect to the actual crime you are committing. It is no different than pirating movies or kicking a veding machine to get a free bag of Doritos.

You should read the Paypal USER AGREEMENT before you continue your argument.

From the Paypal site...

4. Receiving Money.


4.1 Receiving Personal Payments. If you are selling goods or services, you may not ask the buyer to send you a Personal Payment for the purchase. If you do so, PayPal may remove your ability to accept Personal Payments.

8.1 Fees Overview.

Fees are based on whether you are making a Purchase Payment, a Personal Payment or a PayPal Business Payment. Some fees are expressed as a percentage of the payment amount. All Fees are in U.S. Dollars unless otherwise stated.

a.For Purchase Payments, the recipient of the payment will always pay the Fee.

Unless you have a Paypal Business Payment account(not available outside the U.S.) you CANNOT reverse the fee on a service/goods sale.

 

[not2sharp]

I no longer ship overseas. I used to and I met many great collectors that way, but our shippers don't have it together, our countries refuse to cooperate, customs is an added and growing risk, paypal is a big exposure and I like to sleep at night. The last time I shipped to Canada it went well over 6 weeks for the delivery to happen and all without the benefit of tracking (none after the item hit customs on day 3). On another shipment to Europe I had the buyer tell me that he never received the package 8 months after the fact. Why would I go through that when I can ship it across the country in 2-4 days with a fairly secure shipment and payment? The bottom line is that no one is willing to step up and take end-to-end responsibility for getting the package from seller to buyer on international shipments, and self-insured risk is not reasonable for collectors who are selling and trading items purchased at full retail prices.

n2s

 

[Rick Marchand]

I no longer ship overseas. I used to and I met many great collectors that way, but our shippers don't have it together, our countries refuse to cooperate, customs is an added and growing risk, paypal is a big exposure and I like to sleep at night. The last time I shipped to Canada it went well over 6 weeks for the delivery to happen and all without the benefit of tracking (none after the item hit customs on day 3). On another shipment to Europe I had the buyer tell me that he never received the package 8 months after the fact. Why would I go through that when I can ship it across the country in 2-4 days with a fairly secure shipment and payment? The bottom line is that no one is willing to step up and take end-to-end responsibility for getting the package from seller to buyer on international shipments, and self-insured risk is not reasonable for collectors who are selling and trading items purchased at full retail prices.

n2s

I am fortunate to have had only a few mishaps with shipping out of country but your argument(as well as other like yours) is by far the most reasonable one for sticking to domestic shipments. It is sad that has come to this for you... I hope you are right and someone steps up in the shipping business.:thumbup: